Cuts I hope to see this week

Carl Bradford is our top ranked ILB, at #28 overall in the NFL Preseason by PFF.

Jake Ryan #41, Nate Palmer #55. Sam Barrington didn't crack the top 86... At some point, logic has to outweigh favoritism in our final 53 if we hope to be better than last year. Bradford had a very low 10 snaps last night, and still played well. One of our only ILBs with positive grades through all 3 games.

Jay Elliott, James Vaughters and Adrian Hubbard are our top 3 ranked OLBs, followed by Peppers and Mulumba.

Mike Pennel, Christian Ringo and Lavon Hooks are our top DEs at #33, #35 and #45 in the NFL.

You want to cut 4 of our top performers? Why?

88 on the roster right now and need to get to 75 on Tue. Jordy to IR is one, so only 12 to cut, don't expect anything significant this week.

I don't see Ron Zook in that list. Can we cut him too? 

I agree  that Barrington is not living up to the hype.

 

I never said to cut Pennel--I love the guy.  I also love J.Elliott, and hope he makes a big jump this year.  And Vaughters has flashed some stuff; he's not on my list.   Nor Is Jake Ryan.

 

I am simply going on what I have seen and what I have read from practices.   

 

I may need to re-examine Carl Bradford--I have seen him make plays, but just not enough.

 

As for Hubbard, he's missed too many plays for me to have confidence in him.

 

I have not seen or heard one good thing about Ringo.  I've heard a few good things about Hooks, but when I've seen him play, he''s done nothing.

 

As for special teams, they looked much improved in some regards in preseason games 1&2--especially in coverage.   They looked pretty bad last night.  If Mike is co-coaching ST with Zook, I sincerely hope he takes the bull by the horns and kicks some tushy.

 

Go ahead and persuase me otherwise with my picks, but I'm less impressed by a rating than by examples of plays they make, and especially by consistency!   But, hey, I am not a professional.   But I DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express!

Since the Packers rescheduled Mondays practice to Tuesday I'm guessing all their cuts down to 75 will occur by the end of Monday. No sence having a guy your going to cut get injured in practice the day before you cut him.

Perry won't be getting cut. TT likely relies on the eye test more than anything PFF might have to say. Hates to cut his own picks right out of the gate and my guess is Ringo sticks.

I know, but how many chances does Perry gets?  He can't stay healthy and he rarely makes plays.

 

Final cuts are next Saturday, iirc.

He'll get to play out his contract, which has one year left on it.

The PFF rankings in the preseason are meaningless. Barrington is going against starters while Bradford is going against a lot of guys who'll be out of the league by this time next week.

More accurate.

 

 

People are lazy, so fans and sports writers/reporters like PFF rankings because it's a number that someone else came up with. The guys doing the rankings at PFF are fans, mostly from the UK. Anyone who wants to put stock into a ranking on American Football from 50 drunks in a bar, go ahead.

 

 

I get mine from 20 drunks on x4...drunks in the know I might add!

Only need to cut 12 to get down to 75 this week, so largely a junk cut.

 

Guys like Ed Williams, Harold Spears, Andy Philips, Lavon Hooks, Javess Blue(?), Josh Frances, etc... Are goners. Garth Gerhart finally gone ? There's better OL backups now. 

Sebetic, ? 

 

We'll see if Bradford survives. Two nice plays in two years isn't very inspiring. 

 

I hope he understands the wife's schitzu " lil pookie" needs security detail going forward.

I'm not making any predictions or wishes until I see Joe's consensus list. 

Not sure what else Myles White has to do to shake fans' and pundits' perception of him. He was Hundley's go-to guy all night last night.  I'd call his play last night the opposite of "inconsistent."

 

From my angle at the computer, it looked like he lost sight of the ball on the 2 pt. conversion, when the defender blocked his view.  Other than that one play, he was assignment-sure, consistently in the right place, consistently open, and consistently catching the ball. And the one-hander with the guy handcuffing his other hand backwards was just sick.  

 

Not trying to pick on you Royal Wulff, all the media seems to want to talk about is Janis' and Montgomery's potential, and the most they can muster about White is that he made a good case for the #5.  

 

Weird.  Meanwhile what I'm seeing is our #3 receiver when the regular season opens, with Janis and Montgomery just not quite ready yet.

 

Janis runs a seam route better than anyone not named Cobb.

 

He needs to learn the entire route tree & execute all the routes properly.

 

I think he'll get there. 

I'd much rather see them all get injured.

I think we start the season with White as #3 as well.   Even though the kid makes plays under the lights, I'm under the impression #12 isn't a fan of Jannis yet.  By seasons end, I think Janis takes over as #3.

So you're saying theres gonna be another injury to a WR? In order for Janis to take over no. 3 is if Cobb, Adams or montgomery get injured

This is what I have to get to 75 on Tue.

 

 

Phillips, Andy	C/G	R	Central Michigan	Cut
Rotheram, Matt	G	R	Pittsburgh	Cut
Francis, Josh	LB	1	West Virginia	Cut
Rasco, Jermauria	LB	R	Louisiana State	Cut
Harris, Alonzo	RB	R	Louisiana-Lafayette	Cut
Fanor, Jean	S	1	Bethune-Cookman	Cut
Kowalski, Vince	T	R	Villanova	Cut
Henry, Mitchell	TE	R	Western Kentucky	Cut
Spears, Harold	TE	R	New Hampshire	Cut
Blue, Javess	WR	R	Kentucky	Cut
Hunt, Jimmie	WR	R	Missouri	Cut
Williams, Ed	WR	R	Fort Hays State	Cut
Nelson, Jordy	WR	8	Kansas State	IR

When I watch White I see a guy who's reached his potential.  He's not a bad player, but he pretty much is what he's going to be, a useful 4 or 5 in a pinch who knows the offense.

 

Montgomery and  Janis  still have a lot of room to grow and physical traits that let them compete with the starters around the league.  I think the number three snaps this year are better utilized getting Montgomery experience and I don't think White has shown enough potential to take those away from him.  White's the proverbial 'just a guy'. 

    

Translation: his catches, yards and first downs (like last night's) don't count,  because they don't look as good as Montgomery's or Janis's, even though he had twice as many.

I get it. In this league, it's not what you do, but how you look doing it. If you're not big like Montgomery or tall like Janis, you're "just a guy." No matter how much you produce.

The guy playing is the guy that runs the best routes.  Or, call me kooky, they'll use White, Janis and Montgomery in the proper packages what work best to their talents.   

 

Good times getting worked up over scrub nation.  BTW, Bradford only makes this roster because the whole of the ILB corp is garbage and you have to have at least 3 other stiffs to man the position next to Clay.

 

 

There's nothing wrong with being 'just a guy'.  He's an NFL caliber player and he adds value to the bottom of the depth chart.   He's just one of those guys teams will always be looking to upgrade from.  When the **** hits the fan with injuries he's a good guy to have around.  Knows the offense and will do what's needed, he just doesn't have a high ceiling, imo.    

Worked up Henry?! What the hell are we doing here?

I'm sure everyone will be huge White and Janis fans when they are at the bottom of the roster fighting for positions again.  

 

Whoever runs the best routes and can keep up with the speed of Rodgers game will be playing.  Doesn't mean **** about playing with 3rd stringers, can they play with Rodgers.

Can't argue with that. 

I'm predicting it will be MW at #3 to open the regular season based on everything.

       
       


That's a great list to get down to the 75, Hungry5.

I'm wondering if Banjo didn't screw up some of his chances last night with some poor STs play. Fanor seemed to have outplayed him so far in preseason.

Vujnovich is another guy I think may have played himself off the roster last night.

Completely agree titm  Whites ceiling has been reached. It's barely above  Janis  & Monty's floor.

Silverstein has a long preview piece in today's JSO making this very point about earlier GB rosters. Lots of quotes from McCarthy and Rodgers about adjusting the offense as the team moved through Driver, Jennings, Jones, Finley, Jordy, Cobb, and Adams, all different players with contrasting strengths and weaknesses. A good read.

 

http://www.jsonline.com/sports...917z1-323348441.html

Pistol, I could be entirely wet on this.  I agree that his game last night was better than most of his games, but in preseason games 1&2 I felt that he looked the exact same as last preseason--inconsistent.  So I tend to agree that he's hit his ceiling.

 

But, believe me, I'd be very happy to be wrong as long as SOMEONE steps up to bolster the WR corps sans Jordy.

I think White would've been the #3 in practice this week and going into the game last night if he was the #4 when Jordy went down. I too think he may have hit his peak and will go down in the Packers annals as one of the All Oneida players. Getting a lot of targets from Hundley very likely means he has played a lot with Hundley (3rd string). 

 

 

Banjo or Fanor was one of my last choices. I went with Banjo due to his experience and his ST showing from last year, which is what kept him around. No one really did themselves any favor on ST last night.

 

 

 

 

 

No, he will surpass White.   

 

Cobb

Adams

Janis

Monty

white

 

Agree, that's why I think White sees more snaps then the other two early in the year.  by the end of the year I think Jannis and Monty both pass him up.

Crack me up. Janis plays inconsistently in preseason, he's at his floor and "flashing potential." Same with Monty. White does it, it is plain old inconsistency. White has a good game, it is his ceiling. Or he only had a good game because he's used to playing with the scrubs, the same people Janis and Monty were playing with but got outplayed, because they are at their floor, but White is at his ceiling.

Alrighty then.

White is slight, that's why he gets slighted

 

Janis and Monty are both "bigger" dudes and bigger dudes win at Lambeau in January

You can look it up

 

 

4) I don’t care how many catches Myles White had last night – nine was the final number – he’s still a fringe NFL receiver. That’s because the third-year player from Louisiana Tech doesn’t have the ability to beat starting caliber corners on a consistent basis. That’s been proven on the practice field and during games. Almost all of his success since joining the Packers has come against players who are either buried on the bench or flipping burgers in September.

       
       
Yea it's a good thing Cobb wasn't in there making clutch catches against Detroit and Dallas

Never have been impressed with White's work after the catch and it probably has a lot to do with his slight build. He is what he is and right now he's probably a better receiver than Janis or Montgomery but he's at his ceiling and the other two have big upsides.

Hey Royal Wulff,

I merely included guys like Elliott, Ryan, etc for reference in terms of how all the Packers players ranked in relation to the ones you had mentioned. I like that you did this and took a stab at it. After all, it is your idea for how they rank prior to cut downs, and no one really knows. Great to discuss it though, and maybe we see some early surprises added to the waiver wire. I agree PFF rankings aren't the die-all, but they do provide some kind of reference point. There are just so many variables in preseason, making them less relevant. They do point to who is making what kinds of plays. Unfortunately, competition levels are absent (against 1s, 2s, 3s...) in those statistics.

Your Perry cut is bold! You never know. If he is not in their plans, an early release so the player can catch on with another team has been done before. I'm thinking it happens on the next batch. Thornton is a vey solid pick. Dantzler, I think they keep him around for a bit.

 

Man, the cut downs after this will be very difficult to predict.

Ryan Broyles has been released. He he worth taking a look at?

The only player I can see TT bringing in is James Jones if he happens to get cut. Otherwise, I'd expect him to just go with what's in camp.

 

Sure, some kind of reference point, just a very incomplete one. PFF claims to grade EVERY player on EVERY play. How do they do that when they can't see every player on every play?

 

 

So, what you are saying is they are lying, and I paid for their lies. Well, that's just great Hungry5... 

 

It ain't the first time baby
Baby it wont be the last
I'd better get the boys round
And do some drinkin fast

Cause she's gone, gone, gone
I dont know if I'm happy
I don't know if I'm sad
She's gone gone gone
I dont know if I'll cry
I dont know if I'll die laughin

 

Maybe they're sorcerers?