Darelle Revis A Buc!

Lot of money tied up in a injured CB.

Iowa,

As incredulous as this sounds, The Bucs gave him NO guaranteed money over the six years. That means if he is not the player he was, they cut him with no repercussions. He gets $16 million a year if he plays up to his caliber. Essentially, it is a year to year deal!

Genius to get that done...

The Bucs are an interesting team. A guy like Josh Freeman seems like he's been around forever but he's younger than Colin Kaepernick. He's the key because they do have some nice young talent on that team. I could see them winning that division if they can keep that talented offensive line healthy.

Spent all that money on the O-Line and everyone landed on IR. A little more luck in that department and they'll be in the mix to take that division.

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That means if he is not the player he was, they cut him with no repercussions.

Other than the 13th overall pick and another pick next year.

And they're gonna pay at least a year's salary and bonuses (and probably no less than 2 years) which is about $15-16 million a year because there's no way they cut him after a year....regardless of how he plays.

That's a lot of dough tied up in an injured CB.

the Eagles model proved highly effective last year, I can't imagine anything going wrong this year for the Bucs

Absolutely dumb move

They had the 13th pick and could have drafted a good CB prospect. Now they give up the pick plus big money for a guy that is coming off an ACL injury

It's moves like this that can derail your franchise for years. People wonder why Tampa was a non factor for many years. Well, when you deal away multiple picks for guys like Keyshawn and Gruden it will catch up with you. The Bucs have crawled back to near respectibilty and now this?

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Originally posted by CALBuccaneer:
Iowa,

As incredulous as this sounds, The Bucs gave him NO guaranteed money over the six years. That means if he is not the player he was, they cut him with no repercussions. He gets $16 million a year if he plays up to his caliber. Essentially, it is a year to year deal!

Genius to get that done...

This is the single funniest post in X4 history.

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Originally posted by CALBuccaneer:
Iowa,

As incredulous as this sounds, The Bucs gave him NO guaranteed money over the six years.

That indeed is impressive but as my esteemed colleague from packland pointed out...there are repercussions.

No, the funniest post in x4 history is Cal suggesting the Lakers will beat the Spurs or OKC in the playoffs because they beat them once apiece during the regular season.

Someone explain how this is Packers related???
Maybe it's dipschit can't find the right forum related.

"Hey, tell you what...I'm gonna put a schitload of your money in this fund here. No, it's solid, I promise. And if it's not, the best part is that other than the money being gone, there's no repercussions."

If it's on the internet...

And what happens CALBuc when Revis decides to hold out in 2015 to get guaranteeed money or just plain more money? Will you still be pimping him then? I think not.

If Revis were 100% healthy and didn't get the ACL injury I still don't make that move

He hasn't played football in how many months? Good luck with that Tampa.

This reminds me of the Carson Palmer to Oakland trade in some ways. Desperation all the way for a team that thinks they are closer than they are.

The bucs are a mess because of their ownership. I see the players revolting on Schianos dicatorial style before the season is half over and the team loses five or six in a row. Freeman is a head case. Buy him for what he is worth then sell him for what he thinks he is worth. Bucs could pay off Manchester United debt with that windfall.

The Bucs cannot win that division. They are still the third best team in that division with Atlanta and New Orleans significantly better. Bucs might go 8 and 8 this year but most likely 7 and 9. Now the "team" has to deal with a prima dona in Revis.

Watch that locker room go to hell in handbasket quickly. Revolt against the coach, against the Management and against each other.

Bucs would have been better off taking the CB from LSU last year with their pick instead of trading him and then taking Vacarro this year and have the young guys grow together. Now they have a less safetey and a gimped up prima dona CB. typical Bucs....

Sometimes trades make both teams worse. Jets immediately, Bucs eventually. If there's a silver lining, this will be Rex's last year in NY.

how is that a silver lining? Keep that moron calling the shots in NY, I love it.

What did Mayor Blumberg ever do to you?

Tschmack,

You should work for Fox News, you love to twist my words and post them
Out of context. I said Lakers, if they had Kobe, could have taken San Antonio or OKC. Without Kobe, no.


And then you say any of the prospects at CB are better than Revis because of his injury. Really??? A year from now, tell me anyone which CB you are propping up now (other than Milliner who would not be there at 13) would be better off with? I will be happy
To let the Times4 posters decide whether your comment was genius or plain stupidity, but, please tell us now. Give the name of the CB who the Bucs would be better off with.

First year CB's rarely become Pro Bowl level, much less HOF worthy candidates. Revis is that and he has been cleared by Buc doctors.

FloridaRob,

Morris Claiborne played like crap last year. He is not even in the same ballpark as Revis.



I am not claiming Super Bowl for the Bucs. Goldson and Revis are huge upgrades and I feel Bucs management did a superb job of addressing the biggeat weakneas on our team. Nobody here is claiming Super bowl... But I think this puts in the hunt for a playoff spot.

Whoever mentioned that it ia still on Freeman's shoulders as far as how the Bucs do, I agree.

This is huge. About as big as the Lakers bringing in Dwight Howard.

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Genius to get that done...

No, it was ****ing stupid. Glad TT doesn't do stuff like that.

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Originally posted by CALBuccaneer:
Tschmack,

You should work for Fox News, you love to twist my words and post them
Out of context.

you're joking, right?

If it weren't for FOX News, you would only get the far left liberal slant of the news from the Alphabet Networks (ABC, NBC CBS, etc).

At least FOX will give ALL the viewpoints (I don't watch the opinion shows like Hannity, etc either)... I want News that isn't slanted to a political viewpoint.

so, please don't interject politics to prove your point.

BTW...I do agree with you....the Buc's will be much improved this year.

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Originally posted by El-Ka-Bong:
the Eagles model proved highly effective last year, I can't imagine anything going wrong this year for the Bucs

When will we win the off-season? I just know one year we will win the April Super Bowl.

Here we go

This is what I posted Cal - follow along please

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They had the 13th pick and could have drafted a good CB prospect.

Good chance that Milliner will be gone by #13, but Xavier Rhodes, widely regarded as the 2nd best CB in the draft, may very well be there at #13. If not, there are still a few other guys that are grading out as 1st round talent (Jamar Taylor, Desmond Trufant, DJ Hayden).

When completely healthy and motivated Revis has proven to be a very good cornerback. However, we don't know if he's healthy or motivated and for the Bucs to ever get fair value in this trade they would need him to play at a high level. Let's also not forget that he's getting huge money- something the 13th pick in the draft would not.

Every year guys get drafted and step in right away and play well. Janoris Jenkins and Casey Hayward are two guys that come to mind from last year, and those were 2nd round guys.

I guess the way I see it with Tampa is that they aren't THAT good to be able to take a risk like that and have it not work out. If you are Atlanta or San Francisco - teams that have a lot of talent- maybe it makes more sense to make a move like that. However, it's not very often moves like that actually work out. About the only one I can think of in recent history was (ironically) Jared Allen to Minnesota. The Vikings got as much if not more value out of Allen than their draft pick which was a mid 1st rounder if I remember correctly.

The trade only makes sense if you assume that you're getting the pre-injury Revis, and that's a foolish assumption to make. As others have noted, it's essentially a guaranteed deal of (at least) $32 million.

This is the sort of thing that makes me appreciate the conservative approach of TT even more.

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Inside how the Revis trade to Tampa Bay finally went down
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When completely healthy and motivated Revis has proven to be a very good cornerback.

I'm not a fan of Revis but when healthy he's one of the top defensive players in the league and it's been noted how this draft is very flat. That leads to a lot of guys washing out. Good year to make the move. Also take into account their recent difficulty in filling that stadium.

New York Jets nil, Green Bay Packers nine.

Here's a pity reply since you get all butthurt when nobody acknowledges your amazing wit and hilarity.

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Originally posted by SanDiegoPackFan:


you're joking, right?

If it weren't for FOX News, you would only get the far left liberal slant of the news from the Alphabet Networks (ABC, NBC CBS, etc).

At least FOX will give ALL the viewpoints (I don't watch the opinion shows like Hannity, etc either)... I want News that isn't slanted to a political viewpoint.

so, please don't interject politics to prove your point.

BTW...I do agree with you....the Buc's will be much improved this year.

Just when you thought it couldn't get any more stupid.

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At least FOX will give ALL the viewpoints ... I want News that isn't slanted to a political viewpoint.

Dear goofball who posted that Colin Cowherd is awesome and teaches him all about life:

You're off the hook. That was the reigning champion for dumbest post of all time at X4. We have a new all-time display of derp as of today.

LONG LIVE THE KING!

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Originally posted by titmfatied:

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When completely healthy and motivated Revis has proven to be a very good cornerback.

I'm not a fan of Revis but when healthy he's one of the top defensive players in the league and it's been noted how this draft is very flat. That leads to a lot of guys washing out. Good year to make the move. Also take into account their recent difficulty in filling that stadium.

So people come to the stadium when they are still losing because their QB is worthless?

To get the discussion back on track...

Sorry, Cal, but the only way this makes sense is if you get the pre-surgery Revis. Everyone is expecting the next AP here and I just don't buy it. Playing CB requires so much more speed in addition to being able to turn and spin that I can't see Revis coming back this year worth a $16 million price. Also, I don't think Revis has the same drive as AP. And if he doesn't come back, you lose the picks. I agree with several others that you could easily have gotten a good CB at 13 this year.

$16 million? Heck, many of us here are flinching a bit at $13 million for CMIII because of the hammy issues. Yes, we have guaranteed $$ tied in, but losing the picks for a guy who may never be the same, to say nothing of the bloated salary for at least a year if he's only average, is not an investment I'd make.

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Originally posted by michiganjoe:
The trade only makes sense if you assume that you're getting the pre-injury Revis, and that's a foolish assumption to make. As others have noted, it's essentially a guaranteed deal of (at least) $32 million.

That is a big if, and yes it is essentially a 2 yr $32mm deal - which is terrible based on what else they gave up.

Many on here, a few months back, were dreaming and clamoring of the fact that TT might make a move for Revis. Dreaming of a Revis/Shields/Hayward/Twill rotation, and saying if we get him we're unstoppable.

Now, that Revis has gone to the Bucs, it's amazing the comments that it's a horrible deal, and Revis is a bum.

The facts are, the Jets were foolish to put out the word they were going to trade him. They received very little interest, and therefore the Jets had no leverage. The fact that the Jets got a first rounder is pretty good, and the Bucs got Revis and no guaranteed $$$ is pretty good. IF (and its a BIG IF) he returns to pre-injury form, it's a Win-Win for both team, IMO.

Many? You sure about that? Huge money and burning high picks for a team that is striving to be mediocre.