Do U believe ELI is a top #5 QB?

Eli had a pretty awesome year this year and he has won a Super Bowl. You could make an argment that right now, he is a top 5 QB considering guys like Roethlisberger and Rivers have slipped and Peyton Manning may never play again. But if those guys return to form, then he's most likely out of the top 5.

The Packer defense was "below substandard" all season and you can't hold that against Eli. He came into Lambeau and outplayed the probable league MVP and I don't have any problem putting him into the top five after Brees, AR and Brady.

No, my top 5 right now:

Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Matt Schaub
Matthew Stafford

If Peyton is able to play, he's in the top 3. Eli is just after these guys.

And he's annoying.

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He came into Lambeau and outplayed the probable league MVP

I don't think those type of arguments ever hold any water. Did Eli play vs. the NYG defense? He was certainly not as "sub-par" as AR looked but if AR had been playing with Hakeem, Cruz and Manningham vs. the GB defense, I guarantee he would have had more open windows to throw balls at. OH, and receivers that wouldn't have dropped 6 balls.

And - this has nothing to do with the earlier argument but - I can't stand it when any QB is given credit for a hail mary completion. Absolutely ludicrous. Every time I see that TD replayed while some talking heads are bragging up Eli, it's off to best buy to replace another broken tv.

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Every time I see that TD replayed while some talking heads are bragging up Eli,

Why are you watching the talking heads rehash the game?

They're talking about the NFCC game.

He certainly didn't look top 5 in some of their 7 losses this season.

As much as we hate him for beating us, I think he barely makes the cusp in the top 5:

1) Brees
2) Brady
3) Rodgers
4) P. Manning
5) Eli

Eli is consistantly underrated, he's a pretty damn good QB

Eli isn't a top 5 QB, but certainly a top 10. He is too inconsistent to be a top 5 QB. The thing he has in his favor is a few clutch performances and a Superbowl ring. If he can win another Superbowl in the same dramatic fashion, I may be willing to reconsider.

The 2011 Packers defense made a lot of QBs look good, which will happen when there is no pass rush.

I see a pretty big jump between the top three QBs and the next tier (assuming Peyton isn't playing) I would put Eli in the next group behind Aaron, Drew Brees, and Tom Brady. I'm not sure if Eli is in the top 5 or not, but I wouldn't call him an elite NFL QB because of his lack of consistency.

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Originally posted by Rusty:
As much as we hate him for beating us, I think he barely makes the cusp in the top 5:

1) Brees
2) Brady
3) Rodgers
4) P. Manning
5) Eli

Homer!

You can put Coughlin there too IMO ... never seen a guy have such subpar team records and then kind of put a run together at the end of the season. The guy has had 9-lives keeping his job.

Their GM on the other hand, top tier. They have had tremendous talent put on the field in the least 10 years.

JMO.

Tier 1

1) Rodgers
2) Brady
3) Brees
4) Peyton Manning
5) Roethlisberger

Tier 2

6) Eli Manning
7) Phillip Rivers
8) Jay Cutler
9) Matt Schaub
10) Alex Smith

Tier 3

11) Cam Newton
12) Matt Ryan
13) Joe Flacco
14) Matt Stafford
15) Andy Dalton
16) Josh Freeman
17) Tony Romo (tie)
17) Mike Vick (tie)
18) Matt Cassell
19) Sam Bradford
20) Matt Hasselbeck

Eli? No.


GD - IMO, tier 1 should only have 1-4, Ben doesn't belong in that group. Being hard to tackle does not make him elite. He has two rings more so because of the defense and their running game than his arm or QB savvy.

I'd put Stafford ahead of Cutler...

I don't think Eli is a top 5 QB. He may have a few games he plays like one but not consistently enough IMO.

Also Hungry5 I believe ben has 2 rings because of his D and the Refs vs the seachickens.

Top 10, yes. Top 5, no. Not able to squeeze a throw in there and place the ball as precisely as Brees, Brady and Rodgers. Most of Eli's throws are to guys who have some space around them.

OTOH, props to Eli for being able to make something out of nothing and salvage plays that look totally lost, such as in the SB against the Pats.

1) Brady
2a) Rodgers
2b) Brees
4) Peyton Manning
5) Roethlisberger
6) Eli Manning
7) Matt Schaub
8) Phillip Rivers
9) Jay Cutler
10) Cam Newton (soft- it’s early)
11) Matt Ryan
12) Matt Stafford
13) Tony Romo
14) Mike Vick
15) Alex Smith
16) Andy Dalton
17) Joe Flacco
18) Josh Freeman
19) Matt Cassell
20) Sam Bradford
21) Matt Flynn

The media was screaming foul when Eli was voted to the Pro Bowl ahead of Stafford. If you put any value in that, that would put him in 4th just in the NFC.

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Absolutely ludicrous. Every time I see that TD replayed while some talking heads are bragging up Eli, it's off to best buy to replace another broken tv.

I haven't watched ESPN since last Sunday morning.

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Originally posted by Paperboy-Ka-Bong:
1) Brady
2a) Rodgers
2b) Brees
4) Peyton Manning
5) Roethlisberger
6) Eli Manning
7) Matt Schaub
8) Phillip Rivers
9) Jay Cutler

I'm pretty much with you this far though a healthy Peyton would be my #1.

What has Roethlisberger done than Eli hasn't? Eli has won with pretty good defenses backing him, but Roethlisberger's defenses have been actually better, and Pitt had to even overcome him during their SB against the Seahawks.

He's not top 5. After 7 years, He's turned the ball over more times than he's thrown a TD. When he's good, he's good. When he's bad, he's really bad.

FWIW, Brady ahead of Rodgers? Really? AR is the best QB in football today.

No. He's really horrid really often.

Yes. E-Mann is in the top 5.

Rodgers
Brees
Brady
E-Mann
?

No, he's really not.

If he beats SF then Brady again then he is. Then Brady becomes a quesion mark.

I rank him at 5 or 6.

I don't know if he's top 5 by rankings, probably a little short. But that doesn't mean I think he's a particularly good QB, just that there are so many bad QBs. The guy is decent. He put out a competent performance and his team won against us. Big deal.

So if Brady doesn't win the Super Bowl this year he's all of a sudden a question mark? I don't buy that either, the guy is a much better QB now than when he was winning Super Bowls.

Eli Manning may very well be in the Super Bowl this year, I'm not really sold on San Fran. They still have a decent "fraud factor". Yeah, they beat a team that's much better at home in the dome with two weeks to prepare. That's what you're supposed to do. Yeah, that kind of shines a spotlight on just how badly we squandered our bye and HFA, but it is what it is. SF does luck out a little bit in that they got the extra day of rest, but they're coming off a big emotional game, and are probably in for a letdown. I'm expecting a pretty crummy standard of play from the NFC Championship game.

I kind of hope that the Giants win, because I think New England will crush them in the Super Bowl. It's going to be personal. Gronk and Hernandez aren't going to drop a bunch of balls, then have one poor pass thrown at them and throw temper tantrums. They'll be out to embarrass New York. The game'll be over at halftime while NE keeps pouring it on with the Giants just wishing the game would end... but their misery will be stretched out by the long-winded commercial nature of the Super Bowl. They'll be more broken than the 2011 Packers, and in that we'll have some small measure of revenge.

Disclaimer: I may not be quite ready to post in the "I'm over it" thread.

Best QBs today:

1. Brady
2. Rodgers
3. Brees
4. Stafford
5. Schaub
6. Manning
7. Cutler
8. Andrew Luck...kidding


Peyton might be done for his career. Including him on this list is hard to do until he shows he can play again.

Too many turnovers to put him in top 5. The last 3 seasons he's had 9 games with at least 3 turnovers, 5 of those games last year alone. By comparison Rodgers has had 1 game with 3 turnovers (the TB debacle in 2009), Brady has had 2 and Brees has had 5.

When he's healthy I think Big Ben is an elite QB. He wasn't healthy for much of 2011 I don't think, but I think if you gave him the kind of receivers that Rodgers, Brady, and Manning have had then he would have much much better stats. I don't like him as a person, but he's a really good player when he's healthy. They've had a lot of OLine problems the last couple years also.

I recall a few yrs ago when a certain QB was shattering interception records and throwing many at crucial times, sadly including the playoffs. In polls in a certain state he was continually rated as not only #1 for the yr but #1 of all time.

It really does not matter that Eli Manning is considered #1 or #32, what does matter is how he is doing right now, January 2012. Seems pretty good to me, maybe good enough to win another SB. Stay tuned.

He's elite today. That's probably all that matters to the Giants and their fans. The season he's had and the playoffs to back it up says he's elite today. Rodgers, Brees and Brady are ahead of him for this season. But no one else.

Ratings are certainly subjective things, as Pikes aptly pointed out.

Just a couple years ago I was pulling hard for Eli and he delivered as a strong underdog in one of the truly memorable Super Bowls -- same as another NY QB did forty years earlier. Now he's a fraud?

If I were building a team he's certainly one of the first five of today's crop that I'd want -- AR, Brees, Brady, Peyton occupy the top four. I've never seen what's so great about Rivers, and I also think Flacco is better that he's been talked of here.

1-99: Tebow
100-999: Brees (clearly the league MVP)
1000: Flynn (what other GB QB threw for 6TDs in a game this season?)

E. Manning might be just below that.