The lack of pitchers performing at their talent levels is concerning. It's from A ball all the way to the majors. Not sure whose fault it is but hope Attanasio gets it corrected.
quote:I think the best organization move right now would be to poach some other teams scouts who understand young pitching.
Yeah, I've stated on here before ...
In a small market like Milwaukee, if you are not gonna pay to keep your big dogs like Fielder, then at least go ut and find and pay the "Best" scouts there are in the business.
Why not do that? Its where your whole franchise value starts and it'd would be 1 of the most cost effective ways to get value out of the money spent on personnel.
It is somewhat alarming actually
Jungmann, Thornburg, Rogers, Fiers, and Burgos - their best pitchers - have all regressed. Peralta is up and down more than the stock market.
Not sure why that is but it needs to change
Jungmann, Thornburg, Rogers, Fiers, and Burgos - their best pitchers - have all regressed. Peralta is up and down more than the stock market.
Not sure why that is but it needs to change
I hate to continue harping on the Kranitz thing, but I believe it is a large part of the issue.
Go back and watch some older interviews with Mike Maddux. When asked why a certain pitcher was struggling, he would discuss actual mechanical flaws in a guys delivery and how they are trying to get it fixed.
With Kranitz, he sounds like a damn cheerleader. Everything is about "trying harder", and "battling", and getting the confidence back. Yipee
On a different note, watching Burgous the other night was brutal. It's no wonder the kid struggles. He constantly pitches from behind. Every hitter was looking at 2-0 and 3-1 counts. That game should have honestly been 10-1 in the third inning. He pitches like a rookie, but Kranitz should be out there chewing his ass telling him to throw strike one, then strike two, then go with the junk. Burgous seemed like he was doing exactly the opposite. I see the exact same pitcher in Fiers.
Were they not watching Kershaw the other night? He was a strike machine. Every batter was looking at 1-2, 0-2. I would rather see them be aggressive and get hit sometimes, rather than nibble, nibble, nibble, throw 90 pitches in the first 3 innings and still give up 8 runs.
end of rant, sorry bong
Go back and watch some older interviews with Mike Maddux. When asked why a certain pitcher was struggling, he would discuss actual mechanical flaws in a guys delivery and how they are trying to get it fixed.
With Kranitz, he sounds like a damn cheerleader. Everything is about "trying harder", and "battling", and getting the confidence back. Yipee
On a different note, watching Burgous the other night was brutal. It's no wonder the kid struggles. He constantly pitches from behind. Every hitter was looking at 2-0 and 3-1 counts. That game should have honestly been 10-1 in the third inning. He pitches like a rookie, but Kranitz should be out there chewing his ass telling him to throw strike one, then strike two, then go with the junk. Burgous seemed like he was doing exactly the opposite. I see the exact same pitcher in Fiers.
Were they not watching Kershaw the other night? He was a strike machine. Every batter was looking at 1-2, 0-2. I would rather see them be aggressive and get hit sometimes, rather than nibble, nibble, nibble, throw 90 pitches in the first 3 innings and still give up 8 runs.
end of rant, sorry bong
Rant away.
I've always been concerned about the number of pitches Yo throws. He messes around to much.
I've always been concerned about the number of pitches Yo throws. He messes around to much.
quote:Originally posted by Orlando Wolf:
Letting Maddux go was dum.
Without doing a Google search, I think Maddux wanted to leave after Yost was canned. He is from or lives in Texas. Pretty sure the Crew wanted to keep him but MM wanted to move on.
Pretty sure it was money driven. Got to keep your assets happy to have a chance.
Link
Milwaukee offered Maddux a multiyear deal to stay as pitching coach for new manager Ken Macha. But Maddux also had connections with the Rangers.
Before going to Milwaukee, Maddux was the pitching coach at Double-A Round Rock from 2000-02. That Round Rock team was owned by Nolan Ryan, now the Rangers president, and managed by Moore, the new Texas bench coach.
Another link...
He's moving on to a better deal that he couldn't turn down," Brewers general manager Doug Melvin told the newspaper. "They overwhelmed him with a huge deal."
I guess you can make your conclusions on this. Did the Crew not offer enough or did Texas break the bank?
Milwaukee offered Maddux a multiyear deal to stay as pitching coach for new manager Ken Macha. But Maddux also had connections with the Rangers.
Before going to Milwaukee, Maddux was the pitching coach at Double-A Round Rock from 2000-02. That Round Rock team was owned by Nolan Ryan, now the Rangers president, and managed by Moore, the new Texas bench coach.
Another link...
He's moving on to a better deal that he couldn't turn down," Brewers general manager Doug Melvin told the newspaper. "They overwhelmed him with a huge deal."
I guess you can make your conclusions on this. Did the Crew not offer enough or did Texas break the bank?
iirc, he is one of the highest paid coaches in the game.
Still, it would look like a good investment right now.
Still, it would look like a good investment right now.
Should have at least matched. Proving to be a bad decision.
matching may not have guaranteed he stayed. Hard to tell.
I did have high hopes for Rick Peterson's mullet.
I did have high hopes for Rick Peterson's mullet.
Texas doesn't have a state income tax, either.
Mike Maddux was a heck of a pitching coach. The Brewers pitching philosophy seems to be to pitch around every hitter. I'm not endorsing throwing the ball down the middle of the plate to get the first strike, but we have to pitch much more efficiently. Maybe it's just that these guys don't have the control to pitch on the black part of the plate or bring it up or down. Or maybe it's just a lack of confidence in their stuff. Whatever the problem is, it is a problem.
ironically, Luc is considered one of the best a framing pitches (after Molina in Stl). Maldy is no slouch behind the plate either. Maybe since Luc gets them that extra strike here and there, they nibble. Now that I've said it, I hate that theory.
The way the young guys are getting crushed, I question the pregame prep. I question the farm system in training them. I question about everything.
The way the young guys are getting crushed, I question the pregame prep. I question the farm system in training them. I question about everything.
Didn't Burgos pitch well this winter while away from Brewer Pitching Braintrust only to revert to his previous level after unification with said jeenyouses?
quote:Originally posted by WarrenSpahn:
Mike Maddux was a heck of a pitching coach. The Brewers pitching philosophy seems to be to pitch around every hitter. I'm not endorsing throwing the ball down the middle of the plate to get the first strike, but we have to pitch much more efficiently. Maybe it's just that these guys don't have the control to pitch on the black part of the plate or bring it up or down. Or maybe it's just a lack of confidence in their stuff. Whatever the problem is, it is a problem.
Pound the zone?
quote:Originally posted by RatPack:
Didn't Burgos pitch well this winter while away from Brewer Pitching Braintrust only to revert to his previous level after unification with said jeenyouses?
In all fairness to coaches, pitching winter ball and a 162 game MLB season are not the same.
Not good. Henderson has been a bright spot.
quote:In all fairness to coaches, pitching winter ball and a 162 game MLB season are not the same.
Agreed, but it only took 8 weeks for coaches to turn a productive young arm into a question mark with a sore shoulder.
I just got done reading the SI magazine article about the Cardinals and how they draft and develop their pitchers. It was a fascinating article, and it helps to explain why they have been so good at it and why other teams might not. Simply put, it's not a luck based model and they expect the results they get.
If I were Mark Antannasio I would target some of the front office and farm system guys from STL and pay them whatever they want. That way we aren't left picking up their table scraps ie Looper or Suppan or Lohse. There's a reason the Cards didn't resign those guys. It reminds me a lot of the Packers approach of drafting and developing guys in that they know when to resign guys or when to let them walk but they aren't big free agent players either.
If I were Mark Antannasio I would target some of the front office and farm system guys from STL and pay them whatever they want. That way we aren't left picking up their table scraps ie Looper or Suppan or Lohse. There's a reason the Cards didn't resign those guys. It reminds me a lot of the Packers approach of drafting and developing guys in that they know when to resign guys or when to let them walk but they aren't big free agent players either.