Keep running that mother****er and then run it some more. Big Ern pro bowling the way. 7 man front? Rodgers quick release is going to have to keep him upright because EDS truly sucks in pass coverage.
Agree. I wouldn't want to see him lining up across from Megatron at all.
By God that's IT!! Hankya, you're watching the wrong side of the ball. EDS plays offense bro. I'm glad we could finally settle this in a civil manner.
Absolutely. It is completely running to open the pass game. The difference is if you have Franklin, Lacy and Starks making them pay instead of falling down after immediate contact like Green. You have to keep running, running, running even if it's for several games in a row if it sets up Rodgers for the playoffs. He is arguably the best player in the league. They don't have a oline that will give him all day so you better make defenses respect the whole offense instead of the cavalcade of 3 and outs trying to force a pass game with safeties camping out in the backfield.
So now that we have an OL that is very capable of successfully run blocking, we can stop complaining about that topic and bitch about pass protection.
As for slowing down the pass rush, that hasn't happened yet - consistently. Keep running the ball like they have and it will slowly begin to have an effect on how defenses are playing the Packers. They are really only two games into being an effective rushing team, so they need to build a reputation for a few more games for it to have a major impact.
One last comment on that pass protection. Bahktiari (3), Barlcay (9), and EDS (5) have only 17 combined starts in their current positions. Three-fifths of the starting OL is very young, inexperienced and clearly lacking in chemistry. Give it a bit more time...
Keep running that mother****er and then run it some more. Big Ern pro bowling the way. 7 man front? Rodgers quick release is going to have to keep him upright because EDS truly sucks in pass coverage.
Agree. I wouldn't want to see him lining up across from Megatron at all.
By God that's IT!! Hankya, you're watching the wrong side of the ball. EDS plays offense bro. I'm glad we could finally settle this in a civil manner.
That's a ok response but you are relying on warmed over material, much like Big Ern relies on other linemen to make him look adequate.
So now that we have an OL that is very capable of successfully run blocking, we can stop complaining about that topic and bitch about pass protection.
As for slowing down the pass rush, that hasn't happened yet - consistently. Keep running the ball like they have and it will slowly begin to have an effect on how defenses are playing the Packers. They are really only two games into being an effective rushing team, so they need to build a reputation for a few more games for it to have a major impact.
One last comment on that pass protection. Bahktiari (3), Barlcay (9), and EDS (5) have only 17 combined starts in their current positions. Three-fifths of the starting OL is very young, inexperienced and clearly lacking in chemistry. Give it a bit more time...
I'll feel better when I see a steady run game against defenses scheming to stop the run. Big Ern is more serviceable than Saturday in the run game but then that was never Saturday's strong suit and considering the pass happy offense you can see why the chance was taken on him in the first place. I want to see this line exert their will on another team lined up to stop the run and then the offensive floodgates will open.
A rookie backfield along with a young oline will hopefully get stronger as the season continues. There have been flashes of excellence and hopefully MM is pumping all the pedals and pulling all the levers.
The biggest litmus test for the run game is whether or not it is getting us in the end zone. Whether directly or indirectly by softening up the pass D, the only real way a more successful running game is going to pay dividends is lighting up the scoreboard. MM is trying to change or redifine the team's identity and so far we've seen progress in spurts both on the ground and in the air. I don't think it's all working together yet but hopefully we get there by Dec.
I've read both pages of this thread twice and still can't figure out which "Ed" we're talking about.
EDSullivan.
EDS graded out at a +1.1 on ProFootballFocus. Allowed 1 QB pressure all day.
On Sunday, the unit's rugged run blocking and crisp work in protection represented the foundation of the Packers' 22-9 triumph at Lambeau Field.
Lions got pushed around against the run (180 yards, 5.5 average) while registering just one sack and one quarterback hit.
Center Evan Dietrich-Smith was uncovered most of the game. His job was to offer double-team help against the most dangerous tackle on passes and combination block in the run game.
"I think the communication with the tight ends and the backs and the running unit is really good this year," he said. "That's where our success is coming from.
"Because it's a group thing, not an individual thing."
The way they used EDS on Sunday is probably the best way for him. Use him as a double-teamer since it appears the other four guys are able to win a lot of one-on-ones. We knew how good Sitton and Lang were, but who could have predicted the Killer B's would have been this good this fast?
That's not always up to them. It's dependent on the DL alignment. If they cover him, then it will be the guard helping and then going 2nd level.
Not a bad day of work for a backup and a ****ty OL coach:
The plan sounded great. With the Lions playing their D-ends wide and shooting DTs Ndamukong Suh and Nick Fairley hard up the field, the Packers decided to run at a six-man box aligned against their three-wide formation. It takes blocking, of course, to make it work, and 180 yards rushing and a 5.5 average attest to success. Generally speaking, Evan Dietrich-Smith turned to help T.J. Lang with Suh leaving Josh Sitton one-on-one against Fairley. The only play Fairley made against Sitton came in the fourth quarter. Sitton couldn't jam his left hand into Fairley's outside number to halt his charge, and the penetration messed up the handoff on a run. Sitton used his mass to stop Fairley's bull rushes and was quick enough to cut off most of his penetration. Of the 12 pass plays that Lang was blocking Suh, he had double-team help from EDS nine times and a chip from Eddie Lacy once. Suh didn't have a pressure but did blow up Lang on a late run for minus-3. McCarthy used a more diverse ground game, giving the Detroit line pause by pulling on six runs (Sitton three, EDS two, Lang one). Lang was sufficiently strong, athletic and competitive to hang with Suh, who had been on a rampage. Lang did miss OLB DeAndre Levy on a promising screen. On Cobb's tide-shifting 67-yard burst, EDS made a blocking change at the line that sent him pulling wide left. Of the four excellent one-on-one blocks on the play side, Dietrich-Smith's block was most difficult because he was in space and trying to eliminate a much smaller man (Levy). Don Barclay played well, too, shutting out slippery DE Willie Young and allowing one pressure and one-half "bad" run when Suh shifted outside. Of the six pressures allowed by the line, five were charged to David Bakhtiari. He also missed DE Ziggy Ansah, who then blindsided Johnathan Franklin to force a fumble. Bakhtiari is active with his feet and hands and seems well-prepared. Improvement in his game has been evident, and more is expected by the staff.
On Cobb's tide-shifting 67-yard burst, EDS made a blocking change at the line that sent him pulling wide left. Of the four excellent one-on-one blocks on the play side, Dietrich-Smith's block was most difficult because he was in space and trying to eliminate a much smaller man (Levy).
Best game EDS has had so far. The interior as a whole dominated.
If Lacy was more of a HR threat we would have seen a couple of those 8 yarders go for 40 or more. He never made anyone miss at the 2nd level.
When franklin stops crapping the ball out, HE will be the guy to do that. Same blocking, same cut back lanes. In fact, had he not dropped it again early on, some of those runs/holes Lacy had could have been Franklin's.
We've seen Suh and company just destroy our Oline in the past. Really shove them around. The Lions never really threatened the Packers offense last Sunday, or defense for that matter. Gotta give props to the Oline for that performance. They have been a nice surprise at times this year.
Gotta give credit to ......&/9@?...damn my connection is going bad. Will post later.
6 in the box...our OL better hold up
Football is a chess match. 6 in the box because the Lions refused to respect the run. They paid a price for it. Going forward, teams will have to respect the run and Rodgers will kill them.
Best game EDS has had so far. The interior as a whole dominated.
If Lacy was more of a HR threat we would have seen a couple of those 8 yarders go for 40 or more. He never made anyone miss at the 2nd level.
I was at the game, from the endzone view, he just seemed to make the wrong cut. He will learn, the holes were there. He made the correct read on the initial read but didn't stay with it and cut the wrong way at the second level.
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We all assume (myself included) that if we could run the ball the safeties would come up - at least one anyway. But the last two games have indicated to me that might not be case. It might be that teams are willing to give up running yardage in exchange for the hope of containing Rodgers - so the safeties stay back. So the smart play for the Packers is to get good at taking what the defense offers. I think we are in the process of seeing that. They aren't as good at running the ball as I think they will be. That said, there were three golden opportunities the Packers screwed up in the Lions game. The over throw to Nelson, the missed catch by Taylor, and the failure to get the second foot in bounce by Jones. Connect on any two of those and Rodgers stats go way up, you can add 8 points to the score (14 points - the 2 FGs = 8 points), and I haven't looked to see how it would have affected Lacy's day. Last Sunday GB ran the ball 52% of the time. So far this season, GB has run the ball on 41% of the offensive plays. So I don't know what kind of commitment you need, but in this pass happy NFL these days - that is an extraordinary commitment. But they are taking what the defense gives them. The last three game of 400+ yards of total offense shows that. Once execution matches strategy this offense will be very hard to stop. The only thing we really lack now is the scoring - but we have had our chances - even with the safeties playing back.
The Browns put the onus on the center, often bluffing with two linebackers in the A gaps right before the snap and threatening blitzes from all over the formation. Not only that, but Phil Taylor is one of the better nose tackles in the business. Against all of that Evan Dietrich-Smith wasn't responsible for a pressure or "bad" run. He is becoming a steady, understated type of player. Never real high or low, he has been calling a good game at the line and keeping his man away from the ball carrier and Rodgers. Dietrich-Smith plays extremely hard, but because he isn't the least bit demonstrative his opponents never seem perturbed at him. He just makes his block, sustains his block and walks away.
Right now, I just love his durability and willingness to do whatever it takes.
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Raiola in DET is pretty damn solid.
Sullivan is also pretty good, one of the roughly four worthwhile players on the Queens roster.
Raiola in DET is pretty damn solid.
And a really nice guy.
He asked best Center, not human.
Sorry. I just think the guy is a classless piece of ****.
Sure seems that way.
Where are all the people that said earlier in the year, that EDS sucks and is not starter quality? Uncle Ted knows what he is doing.
It's all about the coaching.
Very true, but everything I have read is that James Campen is a bum. 
Yup, definitely Sullivan, but EDS has been really good. Raiola, is very average.
I haven't had time to break down film on the individuals mentioned and since I have not seen every play these centers have lined up for I have to reserve judgement. Hopefully I will get to it but right now I am evaluating the right guard position. 
