You could also make a convincing case that Mandarich wasn't there worst high first round pick in the 1980s. At least Mandarich had the skills, even without being roided up, to be a serviceable NFL player.
You could tell that Rich Campbell wasn't an NFL QB the first training camp. And they drafted him at the last minute over the guy all scouts wanted, Ronnie Lott.
Starr overruling the whole scouting staff to make that pick in 1981 was his worst mistake as the head guy.
"ts crazy to me to this day that Bonds went down the roids path. "
He saw how a slug like Sammy Sosa leveraged all that chemistry into an iconic place and a popstar paycheck, knowing he himself was 10 times the ball player.
I agree Bonds was great before the needle and Rodriquez was no slouch either. It used to be that five-tool players were all the rage, and it's tough to be a five-tool guy who also hits 40 HRs. If everyone went back to paying and praising guys who could do it all, steroids might not be such a problem.
So, can we assume almost all football players use and just the dumb ones get caught?
Fandame posted:I agree Bonds was great before the needle and Rodriquez was no slouch either. It used to be that five-tool players were all the rage, and it's tough to be a five-tool guy who also hits 40 HRs. If everyone went back to paying and praising guys who could do it all, steroids might not be such a problem.
So, can we assume almost all football players use and just the dumb ones get caught?
I work in skeletal research. I was on a panel a couple of years ago that included a doctor who consulted with an NFL team. At a group dinner, I asked what percentage of his teams' guys were on PEDS. He said conservatively 75%.
So, yes.
PackerHawk posted:I wanted Barry Sanders. In hindsight taking Mandarich was better for the long term success of the team. They got to clean house and you know the rest of the story.
It would have been interesting to have Barry Sanders AND Don Majkowski/Sterling Sharpe together for a few years. They probably would have been a team similar to what the Lions were at that time. A good team, but a team that wasn't World Championship caliber.
MichiganPacker2 posted:Fandame posted:I agree Bonds was great before the needle and Rodriquez was no slouch either. It used to be that five-tool players were all the rage, and it's tough to be a five-tool guy who also hits 40 HRs. If everyone went back to paying and praising guys who could do it all, steroids might not be such a problem.
So, can we assume almost all football players use and just the dumb ones get caught?
I work in skeletal research.
Know any good bone jokes?
Henry posted:MichiganPacker2 posted:Fandame posted:I agree Bonds was great before the needle and Rodriquez was no slouch either. It used to be that five-tool players were all the rage, and it's tough to be a five-tool guy who also hits 40 HRs. If everyone went back to paying and praising guys who could do it all, steroids might not be such a problem.
So, can we assume almost all football players use and just the dumb ones get caught?
I work in skeletal research.
Know any good bone jokes?
"F**kDoll formerly known as Henry">>>>>>>how bout more football and less snark.
#pleaselikeme
Henry posted:MichiganPacker2 posted:Fandame posted:I agree Bonds was great before the needle and Rodriquez was no slouch either. It used to be that five-tool players were all the rage, and it's tough to be a five-tool guy who also hits 40 HRs. If everyone went back to paying and praising guys who could do it all, steroids might not be such a problem.
So, can we assume almost all football players use and just the dumb ones get caught?
I work in skeletal research.
Know any good bone jokes?
Henry posted:MichiganPacker2 posted:Fandame posted:I agree Bonds was great before the needle and Rodriquez was no slouch either. It used to be that five-tool players were all the rage, and it's tough to be a five-tool guy who also hits 40 HRs. If everyone went back to paying and praising guys who could do it all, steroids might not be such a problem.
So, can we assume almost all football players use and just the dumb ones get caught?
I work in skeletal research.
Know any good bone jokes?
I love every bone in your body. Especially mine.
You're welcome.
Henry posted:MichiganPacker2 posted:Fandame posted:I agree Bonds was great before the needle and Rodriquez was no slouch either. It used to be that five-tool players were all the rage, and it's tough to be a five-tool guy who also hits 40 HRs. If everyone went back to paying and praising guys who could do it all, steroids might not be such a problem.
So, can we assume almost all football players use and just the dumb ones get caught?
I work in skeletal research.
Know any good bone jokes?
Mostly orthopedic surgeon jokes (I work with a lot of them). Here's one they a variation of often.
There were only two people travelling in an elevator, an elderly lady and an orthopedic surgeon. when the lady was trying to get out of the elevator after reaching her destination, the doors started shutting. The orthopedic surgeon, being very kind, put his head in between the doors to let the elderly woman get out. The lady thanked him but asked why did he use his head for this. The orthopedic, grinning broadly, replied proudly that he needs his hands for working.
Waiting for the punch line.
MichiganPacker2 posted:The Heckler posted:Michigan, I think you explained it perfectly. The 70's Packers were just terrible and most of the time had very little hope or talent to give us hope. I grew up close to GB and we always heard about the off field stuff and at the time I didn't know what to believe. As for Mandarich, I think looking back most of us were thrilled we got him he was a beast in college.
I like to post this link from time to time to remind us just how bad things were back then: http://www.the-kramerfamily.co...CKERS-GORYYEARS.html
The site is a bit cheesy and old but it still is a good read.
Great link. I like #10 of the worst games.
10. Philadelphia Eagles 31, Packers 0 -- Dec. 16, 1990 - Tony Mandarich had to block Reggie White and the results were a disaster. White had 1 1/2 sacks, six knockdowns, two passes batted at the line and a forced fumble. "To tell you the truth, I gave it my damndest," Mandarich said after the game. "He timed my step and then he'd toss me. I could have held on to him, but why hold? Why go back 10 yards."
I remember that pounding. I also remember one of the Eagles defensive players after the game saying something to the effect that it was pretty dangerous out there because nobody knew where Reggie was going to throw Mandarich.
That'd be Golic who said that.
I seem to recall Reggie saying he had trouble getting to the QB because he kept tripping over Mandarich on the ground.
As I recall the game, the first few pass plays Mandarich was getting rag-dolled by Reggie. After 4 or 5 plays of that, he didn't even try to block. He would just dip his head down at the snap and didn't really bother moving.
Not that it makes any difference now, but the coach should have gave him a mercy pulling. No sense in letting that go on and on. A backup could've gotten rag-dolled just as well!
That 1990 team was frustrating because they were actually playing some decent football until Majkowski got hurt. I think they did win the week after he was hurt, but after that they completely collapsed and you saw performances like the shutout the Eagles put on the Pack late in the year. I don't think Mandarich was ever the same as a Packer after that game. Any confidence Mandarich had left was destroyed after playing against Reggie.
I think Mandarich did get some "revenge" on the Pack when he joined the Colts and they sprung the upset on the Pack in '97. I think Reggie was hurt for much of that game but Mandarich held his own against him in the little bit that Reggie played.
