Fines

PakrzFREEZE!

You hear about fines each week, but this is the first time I've seen a rundown of all the fines handed out per week. I think it's just a tad bit out of control. Per BSPN:

Denver Broncos defensive end Von Miller was fined $25,000 by the NFL on Friday for his hit below the knee of Tampa Bay quarterback Josh Freeman last weekend.

Miller was penalized for roughing the passer in the second quarter of the Broncos' 31-23 win over the Buccaneers last Sunday. Miller was fined $21,000 last month for a similar infraction against Carolina quarterback Cam Newton.

Chicago Bears linebacker Brian Urlacher was fined $21,000 for a horse-collar tackle on Seattle's Leon Washington, his second fine in two weeks. Urlacher, penalized for the tackle in the Bears' 23-17 loss last Sunday, also was fined last week for a horse-collar tackle of Minnesota's Adrian Peterson.

Seahawks defensive tackle Alan Branch was docked $7,875 for his late hit on Bears quarterback Jay Cutler.

Green Bay's Tramon Williams and Jacksonville's Jason Babin were each fined $21,000 for helmet-to-helmet hits in their games last weekend.

Detroit defensive tackle Nick Fairley was fined $15,750 for his horse-collar tackle of Indianapolis quarterback Andrew Luck late in the Lions' 35-33 loss.

Washington center Will Montgomery was fined $10,000 for kicking New York Giants defensive lineman Linval Joseph, who was docked $7,875 for unnecessary roughness. He pulled on Montgomery's leg first during a pileup on a fumble and then raised his right foot to kick back at him, but stopped himself before doing so.

San Francisco linebacker NaVorro Bowman also got fined $10,000 for kicking at a St. Louis Rams offensive lineman, while 49ers teammate Dashon Goldson has to pay $7,875 for a late hit on quarterback Sam Bradford.

Minnesota linebacker Jasper Brinkley was fined $7,875 for grabbing Green Bay wide receiver Randall Cobb by the facemask. Teammate Everson Griffen was fined $15,750 for his late hit on Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers.

12/8/1212:15 AM

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H5Keyboard Warrior, troll hunter

@RickGosselinDMN
#NFL has doled out $2.273 million in fines in 2012 -- $2.019 to defense

12/8/128:24 AM

titmfatiedNo Code

Always wondered where they get the numbers. Did a quick search.

quote:
Bizarrely specific NFL fines come from agreed league, union schedule
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com
by Mike Florio on December 1, 2012

This year, the fines imposed by the NFL against players who have done things on the field they arguably shouldn’t have done have taken on a bizarre level of specificity.

The specificity comes not on a case-by-case basis, but from the agreement reached by the league and the NFLPA regarding the minimum amounts for various infractions.

For physical contact with an official, for example, the minimum player fine is $26,250 on a first offense. Verbal or non-physical offenses against officials entail a less specific $21,000 fine for a first offense.

For striking, kicking, or kneeing an opponent, the minimum for a first offense is $7,875.

Horse collar, first offense? $15,750 minimum.

Face mask, late hit, low block, chop block, taunting? $7,875 minimum.

Leg whip, roughing the passer? $15,750 minimum.

Spearing, hit on defenseless player, blindside block, impermissible helmet use? $21,000 minimum.

Fighting? $26,250 minimum.

Excessive profanity or other unsportsmanlike conduct triggers a minimum fine of $10,500.

Foreign substances on the uniform/body or failure to wear a chin strap results in a minimum fine of $7,875.

Throwing a football into the stands or personal messages on the uniform draw a minimum fine of $5,250.

For second offenses, all minimum fines double.

Remember, these are minimum fines. The league office can go higher, if it chooses.

The fines for on-field misconduct between players are subject to appeal to Ted Cottrell or Art Shell, former coaches who have been jointly appointed and who are jointly paid by the NFL and the NFLPA. And while the initial fines are disclosed by the league on request, announcements regarding reductions rarely if ever are made.continue

12/8/128:55 AM

Ghost of LambeauMember

Fines have the coaches up nights.
Maybe the player pays the fine and then the team reimburse the player if the team doesn't see a problem with the hit. Make the expense a team expense rather than a player expense.

12/8/1212:23 PM

"We"-Ka-BongYou ungrateful biscuit eating son of a bitch

I don't think you can do that, but it would be really bad business anyway.

12/8/121:09 PM

StarrToDowlerMember

It seems to me that the NFL fine system is a VERY poor way of maintaining discipline, if that is indeed the goal. For those making the league minimum, a $26,250 fine would be a significant deterrent, but for someone making significantly more... not so much. Seems to me it would make a LOT more sense to have a specific percentage of the player's salary, which would affect all players much more equally. For a significant number of NFL players, a $26,250 fine would be the equivalent of a trip to McDonald's for many of us in the real world.

Either a percentage, or playing time.

12/8/122:12 PM

Green CrustaceanCrabby Member

$26k for NFL minimum is about 1/3 a monthly paycheck on an annual basis. Hardly a trip to McDonalds.

12/8/128:38 PM

justanotherpackerfanMember

Maybe x4 could come up with a list of fines....

Posting something positive about Brett Favre: $10

Posting an I'm leaving thread and then not leaving: $20

Being from Iowa: $10 or a bushel of corn

Giving up on the Packers before halftime on the game thread: $1 per such post

Saying the Packers should follow the Viking roster building method: $10

Posting more often than Blair Kiel" $100,000,000 (not like that's going to happen)

Making stupid posts in an attempt to be funny, but failing" $20
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Well, there goes $20

12/8/129:12 PM

IowacheeseKeen Insight

quote:
Originally posted by justanotherpackerfan:

Saying the Packers should follow the Viking roster building method: $10

Think you are seriously undervaluing this.....That should be some type of lifetime achievement award or at least an asterisk in your user name

12/8/129:46 PM

StarrToDowlerMember

quote:
Originally posted by Green Crustacean:
$26k for NFL minimum is about 1/3 a monthly paycheck on an annual basis. Hardly a trip to McDonalds.

That is EXACTLY my point. As I said, "for a significant number of NFL players, a $26,250 fine would be the equivalent of a trip to McDonald's..." I thought I made it clear that I wasn't talking about those making the league minimum.

"It seems to me that the NFL fine system is a VERY poor way of maintaining discipline, if that is indeed the goal. For those making the league minimum, a $26,250 fine would be a significant deterrent, but for someone making significantly more... not so much. Seems to me it would make a LOT more sense to have a specific percentage of the player's salary, which would affect all players much more equally. For a significant number of NFL players, a $26,250 fine would be the equivalent of a trip to McDonald's for many of us in the real world.

Either a percentage, or playing time."

Sorry for not making that clear.

12/9/1211:20 AM

vitafloMember

quote:
Originally posted by StarrToDowler:
It seems to me that the NFL fine system is a VERY poor way of maintaining discipline, if that is indeed the goal. For those making the league minimum, a $26,250 fine would be a significant deterrent, but for someone making significantly more... not so much. Seems to me it would make a LOT more sense to have a specific percentage of the player's salary, which would affect all players much more equally. For a significant number of NFL players, a $26,250 fine would be the equivalent of a trip to McDonald's for many of us in the real world.

12/9/1211:32 AM

StarrToDowlerMember

This.

12/9/1211:34 AM

GratefulPackMember

Fines in general are dumb, and the only thing that really seems to matter to players is playing time. Suspensions, even for a quarter, will probably be a better message sent. Especially if it's the first or 4th quarter, where they wouldn't get a "start" or be able to help the team win a game.[/QUOTE]

The issue with suspending guys during the game, even for a quarter is IMO
the difficulty in getting these calls correct. What appears to be a head to head contact from one angle can often be shown to be a shoulder from another angle for example. These plays are so fast, such as drastic penalty without review would just put the refs even more into the game. Soccer is a great example of this, where a red card or two yellow cards mean that not only is the player thrown out of the game, but the team plays the rest of the game with one fewer player. A lot of huge games have basically been decided by the ref having to determine severity and intent of a foul in the heat of the moment on the field. I would hate for this to happen in football.

12/9/1211:46 AM

CavetoadHuge Member

quote:
Originally posted by justanotherpackerfan:
Maybe x4 could come up with a list of fines....

Posting something positive about Brett Favre: $10

Posting an I'm leaving thread and then not leaving: $20

Being from Iowa: $10 or a bushel of corn

Giving up on the Packers before halftime on the game thread: $1 per such post

Saying the Packers should follow the Viking roster building method: $10

Posting more often than Blair Kiel" $100,000,000 (not like that's going to happen)

Making stupid posts in an attempt to be funny, but failing" $20
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Well, there goes $20

Well played, thanks for the laugh!

(I think that means you can keep your 20 bucks)

12/9/1211:47 AM

Blair KielGOOD OL' FAKE BLAIR KIEL - My Hood? nice Henry. Fuck You!

japf is full of crappola.

I haven't even posted in this thread.

12/9/121:19 PM

H5Keyboard Warrior, troll hunter

How much is this going to cost?

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-...ley-shows-no-remorse

12/10/1210:29 AM

ChilliJonI hate the Vikings!

Brad Jones was fined $15k for inadvertently grazing Staffords helmet in the game in Detroit. 15 yard roughing the passer penalty as well.

I'm glad games against the Lions are in the rear view mirror for 2012.

12/10/1210:48 AM

StevieMember

Fines and the sissy-fication of the game is what you get when you have a figgin; lawyer as the commissioner of a sport. Everything the league does is rife with legal cover-our-a--es crap.

12/10/1211:16 AM

CUPackFanMember

Burnett will likely get fined for his hit on Johnson. I've come to terms with the BS QB hits, but the calls in the secondary just make no sense. Even if it's not "helmet to helmet", it's "defenseless receiver". Just way too many questionable that are unavoidable by the defense.

12/10/1211:25 AM

Timmy!TIMMAAAAYYY!!

quote:
Originally posted by Hungry5:
How much is this going to cost? ...

It's time for our guys to get retribution. That's how you stop that crap.
Next year, our OL needs to break his legs.
Penalty during the game? If it's called, it's worth it.
Fine? Again, if it happens, I doubt it'll be a problem to get it payed.
Suspension? Appeal, sue, drag it out in court.

12/10/123:43 PM

IL_Pack_FanMember

Hey, in Detroit's defense, they are easily the most intimidating 4-9 team that I can recall. What an amazing assembly of human garbage they've collected for that line.

12/10/123:50 PM

Salmon DaveMember

quote:
Originally posted by Stevie:
Fines and the sissy-fication of the game is what you get when you have a figgin; lawyer as the commissioner of a sport. Everything the league does is rife with legal cover-our-a--es crap.

I'm as big a Goodell basher as anyone, but he's not an attorney. I think his degree is in economics, and just a bachelor's degree at that, if I recall correctly.

12/10/124:11 PM

FreeSafetyI wonder what the poor people are doing?

I think you are right.

Worked his way up from an intern at the NFL league office.

American success story, like him or not.

12/10/124:30 PM

H5Keyboard Warrior, troll hunter

From Wiki:
Goodell is a 1981 graduate of Washington & Jefferson College in Washington, Pennsylvania with a degree in economics.

Also from Wiki:
Washington & Jefferson College, also known as W & J College or W&J, is a private liberal arts college in Washington, Pennsylvania

Had no idea.

12/10/125:18 PM

Salmon DaveMember

quote:
Originally posted by FreeSafety:
I think you are right.

Worked his way up from an intern at the NFL league office.

American success story, like him or not.

Yeah, I agree with you. I don't like the guy at all, for pretty much the same reasons Stevie articulated, but you have to give the man creit where it's due. He did it the hard way, the old-fashioned way, and very few people can say that in this day and age.

12/10/126:16 PM