Fox Sports WI: Packers "reach out" to Wimbley

By the time the market is set, he'll most likely be signed with somebody else.

So it will come down to if Wimbley wants to play for a bit more money from an also ran or a bit less money and a real shot at titles?

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Originally posted by Hungry5:
So it will come down to if Wimbley wants to play for a bit more money from an also ran or a bit less money and a real shot at titles?

I would expect any player to take the best contract offered to him regardless of what team it comes from. I would.

Business.

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Originally posted by Hungry5:
So it will come down to if Wimbley wants to play for a bit more money from an also ran or a bit less money and a real shot at titles?

Maybe he can play for a bit more money AND have a real shot at a title.

Definitely not holding my breath here. Reaching out I assume means little more then a phone call to his agent.

I do wonder if GB considered trading for him since the Packers and McKenzie have a relationship there. Those are things w/ TT as fans we'll just never find out about.

Trading for a player means you also inherit his contract yes? That alone probably nixed that idea.

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Originally posted by Pakrz:

I would expect any player to take the best contract offered to him regardless of what team it comes from. I would.

Business.

Tell me more about that if you don't mind - Wouldn't a better chance at winning a title carry some value to a competitor ? Why would you accept going to a perennial loser just for a little more money ?

How different/downgraded is your life with $12 million guaranteed vs $14 million guaranteed ?

What sacrifices are you willing to make to be a Champion ?
Would you give up one of your yachts ?

I'm fascinated by the fact that the players almost always pick the biggest payday regardless of team - I assumed it was just youth and being swayed by the evil agent, but maybe I am missing something here.

Uncle Ted ringing the bell again just to get the dogs to salivate. Once the big money is gone he might check a hand or two to steal a couple pots/players.

ROTTT is a player.

I think players talk about the quality of the organizations they play for, I'm sure that plays into it. Players also consider teammates, what QB they will have, etc. I think community plays a big part in these decisions, many guys are moving families and the location can be a family decision. Lastly, I think players will gravitate to coaches they know.

All those factors might come into play when deciding what contract to take, beyond just the dollar amount.

Players take the biggest contract offered them because:
1) Their playing carrier is short. What they earn need to last to lifetime.
2) Contracts are not a lucrative as reported. Player almost never sees the back loaded money.
3) The expense of maintain an aging body to play at a pro level is great. Therapist, nutritionist, trainers, etc.
4) The player is not the fan of your team
5) Injuries, goodbye contract, good by money.
6) You can never guarantee a team will win a championship.

Try making it Rain at the skrip club on $55,000. Brothers be laughing.

I always get a kick out of "it has to last for a life." Really? They can't get a job like everyone else? Some law I don't know about that once a person plays professional sports that they cannot work another day in their life?

I wouldn't expect them to be selling fries, but c'mon, it's not like they can't work after football.

After Super Mario signed this guy is the next best pass-rusher out there. Given the number of teams using the 3-4, Wimbley's relative youth, along with his durability/consistency he'll be a sought after commodity.

Sure, it'd be great to have him on a team now needing starters at C, OLB, S, and DE.

Still, it'll take a big number - the kind of money that should be spent on Clay Matthews' extension. If GB extends Matthews...AND Wimbley is willing to play for a more modest ($5-6M/yr) contract then maybe. One in one-hundred maybe?

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Originally posted by EC Pack:
I always get a kick out of "it has to last for a life." Really? They can't get a job like everyone else? Some law I don't know about that once a person plays professional sports that they cannot work another day in their life?

I wouldn't expect them to be selling fries, but c'mon, it's not like they can't work after football.

Not big money. Once football is done the vast majority of pro football have less earning potential then most college graduates. (The majority of these players never graduate or if they do they have meaningless degrees) Most players also never make it past their rookie contracts.
How many of these players just blow through the easy money, or have medical issues for the rest of their lives.
My advice to any pro player would be the money, or more accurately secure you future. Invest it wisely, and then think about championships.

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Originally posted by turnip blood:
Players take the biggest contract offered them because:
1)Their playing carrier is short. What they earn needs to last a lifetime.

Indeed and as EC Pack noted, I am always amazed that playing in the NFL is now considered a lifetime scholarship. Its a helluva start in life, but it shouldn't be the end of their earning years either

I cannot imagine dysfunctional teams like the Redskins, Raiders, bengals or Vikings being an attractive landing spot for a true competitor FA - unless money is the only consideration.

Nick Collins (via twitter) continues to workout and train. At his pool:



From the other pics, he's doing just fine $$ wise it appears. I think if these players even take the most modest means to invest, they are set.

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Originally posted by Satori:

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Originally posted by Pakrz:

I would expect any player to take the best contract offered to him regardless of what team it comes from. I would.

Business.

Tell me more about that if you don't mind - Wouldn't a better chance at winning a title carry some value to a competitor ? Why would you accept going to a perennial loser just for a little more money ?

How different/downgraded is your life with $12 million guaranteed vs $14 million guaranteed ?

What sacrifices are you willing to make to be a Champion ?
Would you give up one of your yachts ?

I'm fascinated by the fact that the players almost always pick the biggest payday regardless of team - I assumed it was just youth and being swayed by the evil agent, but maybe I am missing something here.

I think fans sometimes forget the business side of things in sports as it relates to players. Sure, they are all competitive or they wouldn't be playing the game in the first place. I think once you get to the NFL and realize that your career can end at any given moment, you have to take care of you and your family first. Not to be a wiseass, but the difference between 12 million and 14 million is 2 million dollars. That's a helluva lot of money.

The bottom line is few teams show players loyalty, and rightfully so. Teams also treat the game as a business. For the most part, as soon as a GM can replace you and your high contract he will. Wimbley is seeing that first hand. He had a nice contract in Oakland and looked what happened... The man is cut and finds himself on the street.

I'm pretty sure he wants to win, but if GB is offering up 6 million a year and Minnesota is offering up 7 million a year, I'm pretty sure I'd go to Minnesota too.

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Originally posted by packerboi:

not seeing it

You give me $20mm today and I could make that work for me for the rest of my life and into my children's lives. Poor advice, poor management = broke @ 40.

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I think once you get to the NFL and realize that your career can end at any given moment, you have to take care of you and your family first

Agree and that also really depends on what family situation this player is in. Aaron Rodger's or Clay Matthews seemingly comes from a financially stable family and their familys needs are likely no where near where other players come from.

I remember the stories of Driver and his mom living in a car and homeless as a teen. I don't recall if he has siblings but I have little doubt his entire family has benefited from that contract vs what Rodgers or Matthews family needs probably are.

If X player comes from an extremely poor family, has a slew of bro's and sis', a sick or ailing Grandma, struggling aunties, etc...then yes, 2 million dollars suddenly is a very very big deal. And it's factors like that average fans don't even think about.

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Originally posted by Hungry5:
You give me $20mm today and I could make that work for me for the rest of my life and into my children's lives. Poor advice, poor management = broke @ 40.

I wouldn't even need $20 million.

You would if you had 6 cars/trucks, a mansion with 10 acres and a pool, and took trips on your time off.

I don't need 6 cars or a mansion. I do take trips when I have time off.

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Originally posted by RatPack:
Uncle Ted ringing the bell again just to get the dogs to salivate. Once the big money is gone he might check a hand or two to steal a couple pots/players.

ROTTT is a player.

Exactly what I was thinking.

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Originally posted by RatPack:
Uncle Ted ringing the bell again just to get the dogs to salivate. Once the big money is gone he might check a hand or two to steal a couple pots/players.

ROTTT is a player.

Apparently you don't know a lot about poker. You don't check a hand to steal it.

So TT should go high in the 1st bid for Wimbley?

Only if he's holding Aces.

A check raise is a great way to feign weakness, and trap a lesser player into a pot they can't walk away from....

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Originally posted by YATittle:
A check raise is a great way to feign weakness, and trap a lesser player into a pot they can't walk away from....

Absolutely, but you are not checking it to steal it then. You are putting the noose around their neck to hang them. Ted doesn't even sit at the high stakes table anyway. He gets up from his small stakes table tho when there is a big hand at the high stakes table and gawks at all the money some big player got by lucking out on his one outer.

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Originally posted by Pakrz:

Not to be a wiseass, but the difference between 12 million and 14 million is 2 million dollars. That's a helluva lot of money.

If GB is offering up 6 million a year and Minnesota is offering up 7 million a year, I'm pretty sure I'd go to Minnesota too.

Thanks for the comments and its interesting that you focused not on the $12 million you'd already have, but instead on the $2 million that you didn't get

I think that's probably why the current NFL pay system comes up short; because there is so much focus on getting the absolute most, as opposed to getting more than enough.
How would your life, your families' life be impacted if you only had $12 million ? probably not much, they're getting by on significantly less right now. But maybe the missing 2 million would gnaw at you in later life

I'd gladly take a million less to play on a serious contender, because while you can always get mo money, you only have a very very short time in the NFL. And I'd hate to miss a chance at being a part of greatness

As for your viking analogy, can't believe you'd sell out that cheap

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Originally posted by EC Pack:
I always get a kick out of "it has to last for a life." Really? They can't get a job like everyone else? Some law I don't know about that once a person plays professional sports that they cannot work another day in their life?

I wouldn't expect them to be selling fries, but c'mon, it's not like they can't work after football.

Exactly. Hogwash their salary has to last a lifetime. Most are college grads. Get a real job.

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Originally posted by Hungry5:
You give me $20mm today and I could make that work for me for the rest of my life and into my children's lives. Poor advice, poor management = broke @ 40.

Yeah, but what about all your baby mommas? And your posse? Your uncle Sal? Cousin Booger? Now we are talking about the reality of a lot of these guys.

If after taxes and fees to agents, a player makes $1M more in a contract, with another team, that's $50,000 a year of income. It's a ton of money going forward, properly invested.

I don't blame any of these guys for taking more money. But I think more of them when they don't.

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Originally posted by Satori:
I'd gladly take a million less to play on a serious contender, because while you can always get mo money, you only have a very very short time in the NFL. And I'd hate to miss a chance at being a part of greatness.

Isn't that essentially what Jermichael Finley did?

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Originally posted by Pakrz:

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Originally posted by Hungry5:
So it will come down to if Wimbley wants to play for a bit more money from an also ran or a bit less money and a real shot at titles?

I would expect any player to take the best contract offered to him regardless of what team it comes from. I would.

Business.

So just why is it that any pro athlete who is a multi millionaire choose not to play on a Championship calibre team if it means taken less money,isnt being a champion a goal of players today? if it was me and I had all that cash in the bank and really didnt need that extra million to "feed my family"and had a chance to sign with a winner I certainly would,just call me a bad businessman then.

Some of these athletes have multi-million dollar contracts but not all of it is guaranteed. And, how much net income do they receive from the guaranteed money? The IRS and state and local taxes are going to take a large percentage of their income since they are in a high tax bracket and their agent gets a cut. Yes, they should have enough left to live comfortably on and should be able to find employment after sports. But, their profession has a higher risk of injury than most with possible permanent injury like paralysis and/or medical issues later in life from all the hits to their knees, surgeries, etc. that could restrict their later employment. Plus, many of the players may have had in impoverished upbringing and want their kids to not have to go through what they went through so they want to be able to set aside some money for their kids education, etc.

Plus, it comes down to the market. How much are owners willing to spend on contracts? And, shouldn't a player make around the same as others at the same position with the same skills.

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if it was me

But it's not you Bill. As much I'd like for you to be in that situation, it's just not reality. Accordingly, you have no concept of that type money or the player's perspective on it. It's not your fault, your just a fan that loves your team.

Wimbley is a prize. I just get the feeling this will turn into the whole Chris Canty situation if TT is seriously interested. Difference being Wimbley has been productive and healthy for his whole career. It's going to take a chunk of change and I'm pretty sure TT is going to be considering contract negotiations with Matthews when it comes to the size of contract offered to Wimbley.

Oh wait! TT is already locked into league minimum for Matthews because of the defensive numbers from last year.

Name that idiot.

Chicken-poo is great fertilizer BTW.