Mike Golic just reported Ryan Grant is likely out vs. Denver this Sunday. Will we see the debut of Alex Green in the Packer backfield? Starks better have a better game than last week.
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Yes MM has already said if Grant can't go then Green will see action (including Special Teams). Green had a good camp, showed good hands-he just unfortunately got hurt just before the season began. However remember John Kuhn will likely get some carries as well.
On Starks from JSO:
On Starks from JSO:
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After tearing through training camp and Green Bay’s first two regular season games, James Starks had possibly the worst game of his young NFL career in Chicago last weekend.
The second-year back rushed for just 5 yards on 11 carries and coughed up a crucial fumble in the fourth quarter. With the Packers leading 27-10, the giveaway gave the Bears life. Jay Cutler threw a touchdown pass on the next play.
On Thursday, Starks said he’s moving on. While his blocking wasn't always there, Starks said his "aiming points" must improve.
“I need to make some better reads, break some more tackles but overall that game’s really behind me," Starks said. "I need to learn from those mistakes that I had and get better from it.”
Running backs coach Jerry Fontenot echoed offensive coordinator Joe Philbin's words, saying it’s a complete effort. For Starks, running lanes were scarce and he wasn’t as decisive.
“It just so happened on the plays he carried the ball, on a couple he made a bad decision,” Fontenot said. “And obviously on the one run he fumbled, that was a critical mistake. That was absolutely avoidable, just fundamentals. Other than that, it was just luck of the draw. It seemed that the plays he got to carry the ball, we didn’t have our best overall performance.”
With Ryan Grant (kidney bruise) likely out for Sunday's game against Denver, Starks is likely to see an increased workload on Sunday. He'll get a chance to rebound immediately, albeit against a run defense that's riding high. A week ago, Denver held Tennessee’s Chris Johnson to 1.6 yards per carry.
“I take the same approach going into each week,” Starks said. “That’s how I’ve always been. I work hard hopefully to play well. So that’s basically it — my work ethic. I work hard to get ready for the next week.”
[/QUOTE]quote:Originally posted by packerboi:
Running backs coach Jerry Fontenot echoed offensive coordinator Joe Philbin's words, saying it’s a complete effort. For Starks, running lanes were scarce and he wasn’t as decisive.
Running lanes were scarce???? From what I saw there were holes for Starks but he spent too much time dancing and didn't hit the holes the way Grant did.
quote:Originally posted by packerboi:
Yes MM has already said if Grant can't go then Green will see action (including Special Teams). Green had a good camp, showed good hands-he just unfortunately got hurt just before the season began.
quote:Originally posted by packerboi: However remember John Kuhn will likely get some carries as well.
If so, please have then be out of the FB spot, the spot he should always be playing.
quote:the spot he should always be playing.
I think I'll trust MM's opinion on this over yours.
Didn't Kuhn run for like 5000+ yards in 4 years at Shippensburg? Yeah that guy doesn't know how to run the ball as a RB, it's a miracle he even knows how to take a handoff.
quote:Originally posted by Grave Digger:
Didn't Kuhn run for like 5000+ yards in 4 years at Shippensburg? Yeah that guy doesn't know how to run the ball as a RB, it's a miracle he even knows how to take a handoff.
Shippensburg. Enough said. I have full confidence he can take a handoff. I just want fullbacks playing FB and halfbacks playing halfback. Thankfully they have third one this year.
so what are your thoughts, CB, on the wildcat?
if you haven't noticed, the NFL has been evolving. don't get left behind.
if you haven't noticed, the NFL has been evolving. don't get left behind.
quote:Originally posted by Tdog:
so what are your thoughts, CB, on the wildcat?
if you haven't noticed, the NFL has been evolving. don't get left behind.
Love it! Wanna see the CobbCat!
so it's OK for a WR to play RB but not a FB. very interesting.
Using a completely different formation or using a "gimmick" for a play or two isn't the same thing as playing a guy out of position in your standard sets.
Starks will be fine. Should be fun seeing what Green can do too.
Agreed. Starks is fine. There were some cuts he could have made but there was definitely some poor blocking as well.
I'm a little hesitant to see Green on 3rd downs as a rookie with limited camp time. Kuhn doesn't offer much of a threat to pick up a 1rst down, but you know he can pass block.
Next year is Greens year to be a play maker on 3rd.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...YrkI&feature=related
Next year is Greens year to be a play maker on 3rd.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...YrkI&feature=related
McGinn just tweeted:
Grant (kidney), Bulaga (knee) in uniform Friday morning during practice but not doing any work.
Grant (kidney), Bulaga (knee) in uniform Friday morning during practice but not doing any work.
quote:Originally posted by BrainDed:
I'm a little hesitant to see Green on 3rd downs as a rookie with limited camp time. Kuhn doesn't offer much of a threat to pick up a 1rst down, but you know he can pass block.
Next year is Greens year to be a play maker on 3rd.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...YrkI&feature=related
I wouldn't be surprised to see some of Green on early downs too. Next man up in GB... Starks and Green might just rotate.
Donks will be a nice team for Starks to get his mojo back. He was way too indecisive against the Bears. Wasn't much there, but you need to be decisive and hit it, no dancing allowed. I know most of you are to young to remember, but Starks looked like Brockington in his later years. Dancing Fool !!!
quote:Originally posted by chickenboy:
Shippensburg. Enough said. I have full confidence he can take a handoff. I just want fullbacks playing FB and halfbacks playing halfback. Thankfully they have third one this year.
Right and there's no way an offensive lineman from Bloomsburg should play in the NFL, yet Jahri Evans is one of the top Guards in the league. Some no name RB from Chadron St. shouldn't be playing in the NFL either yet Danny Woodhead is doing just fine. I could name a dozen division 2 players succeeding in the NFL.
If a FB can run the ball as well as a RB, why wouldn't you let him? I guess William Henderson shouldn't have been catching passes either, should he have? Mike Alstott shouldn't have been running the ball?
quote:Originally posted by Grave Digger: Right and there's no way an offensive lineman from Bloomsburg should play in the NFL, yet Jahri Evans is one of the top Guards in the league. Some no name RB from Chadron St. shouldn't be playing in the NFL either yet Danny Woodhead is doing just fine. I could name a dozen division 2 players succeeding in the NFL.
He's an NFL caliber player who played at a small school. Guessing that is why he has such records. He is an NFL FB and should play that spot and not get carries over Green (from the HB position).
quote:Originally posted by Grave Digger: If a FB can run the ball as well as a RB, why wouldn't you let him? I guess William Henderson shouldn't have been catching passes either, should he have? Mike Alstott shouldn't have been running the ball?
A FB can run the ball as much as they want from the FB position. They can also catch the ball from that position for all I care. I wouldn't have wanted Hendo playing HB and getting touches from the HB position. Alstott is another story. I wouldn't want a RB in the style of Alstott (FB who plays HB) in this offense.
quote:Originally posted by Cheezers:
Running lanes were scarce???? From what I saw there were holes for Starks but he spent too much time dancing and didn't hit the holes the way Grant did.
Exactly. I saw the same thing. That's the first time I saw him not be decisive. It was weird. He kept making the wrong cut.
quote:Originally posted by chickenboy:
A FB can run the ball as much as they want from the FB position. They can also catch the ball from that position for all I care. I wouldn't have wanted Hendo playing HB and getting touches from the HB position. Alstott is another story. I wouldn't want a RB in the style of Alstott (FB who plays HB) in this offense.
This is your whole argument?
quote:Originally posted by chickenboy:
He's an NFL caliber player who played at a small school. Guessing that is why he has such records. He is an NFL FB and should play that spot and not get carries over Green (from the HB position).
Wait so he since he was a full time RB at Shippensberg and you say he had success because he was NFL caliber, doesn't that mean he was an NFL caliber RB? So why, if he was an NFL caliber RB in college, is he not an NFL caliber RB in the NFL? Why did he change to being a FB upon entering the NFL?
quote:A FB can run the ball as much as they want from the FB position. They can also catch the ball from that position for all I care. I wouldn't have wanted Hendo playing HB and getting touches from the HB position. Alstott is another story. I wouldn't want a RB in the style of Alstott (FB who plays HB) in this offense.
Have you ever considered that Kuhn is actually a RB that can lead block rather than a FB that can run the ball? So what if they changed James Starks title to FB and asked him to lead block occasionally, would you still be adamant that he shouldn't be running the ball from the RB position because his title is FB even though he is pretty good at running the ball?
That is all I got. Alstott is one of the most overrated players in NFL history, IMO. He was a HB in a FB's body. I even remember people saying he wasn't even a good blocker. He was a myth created by "NFL Primetime" and Chris Berman.
can we get an emoticon for banging one's head against the wall?
quote:Originally posted by pablopackerfan:
I have now been around long enough to see chickenboy run out of stupidity. But that don't stop him, he goes and pirates some from 'tebow' knows where and slings it all over the Packer bored. Is chickenboy like that in the Brewers form two?
quote:Originally posted by chickenboy:
mlb.tv rocks!?!?! anybdy catch the five minutes of the orioles beatig the red sox and longoria's dong!?!?!? unreal (to quote td)....
The NFL is considering having Kuhn's TD's only count for 5 points. No FB, especially one from Shippensburgh, deserves the full 6. 
quote:Originally posted by Tdog:
can we get an emoticon for banging one's head against the wall?
Try this :
Go > personal zone >ignore > add users
Save your head for the important stuff
quote:Originally posted by Tdog:
can we get an emoticon for banging one's head against the wall?
Type this....
: byh : (minus the spaces of course)
quote:Originally posted by chickenboy:
He's an NFL caliber player who played at a small school. Guessing that is why he has such records.
Walter Payton and Jerry Rice say hello.
Wow, they actually went through with the billboards?
What a waste of money.
What a waste of money.
And BTW, wasn't Peyton Hillis used primarily at fullback before he was converted to RB? Hillis played at a Division I school (Arkansas), but the thinking that Kuhn or any other FB can't touch the ball and be successful is a little bit silly.
quote:Originally posted by lambeausouth:
What a waste of money.
And 4th and 26 wasn't?
Jim Taylor was a FB in the Lombardi offense. He still holds the record in GB for number of yards from LOS in a season - I believe.
Doesn't make any difference which position they carry the ball from, the NFL is still a long way from Shippensburg. At Shippensburg he had 4685 rushing yards, 5300 all purpose yards and 53 TDs. And he was 6-0, 255 lbs back then as well. A man among boys. Kuhn is a short yardage back in the NFL. His size hasn't changed, but the quality and size of the guys he faces has. He has 2 TDs in short gains this season already.
So we should see some of Alex Green this week. He should do a lot better than Jackson did last year. Meanwhile, I hope Grant heals quickly.
Doesn't make any difference which position they carry the ball from, the NFL is still a long way from Shippensburg. At Shippensburg he had 4685 rushing yards, 5300 all purpose yards and 53 TDs. And he was 6-0, 255 lbs back then as well. A man among boys. Kuhn is a short yardage back in the NFL. His size hasn't changed, but the quality and size of the guys he faces has. He has 2 TDs in short gains this season already.
So we should see some of Alex Green this week. He should do a lot better than Jackson did last year. Meanwhile, I hope Grant heals quickly.
quote:Originally posted by lambeausouth:...but the thinking that Kuhn or any other FB can't touch the ball and be successful is a little bit silly.
Where in this thread does it say the FB can't touch the ball and be successful?
You mean this one?
If so, please have then be out of the FB spot, the spot he should always be playing.[/QUOTE]
Or this one?
quote:Originally posted by packerboi: However remember John Kuhn will likely get some carries as well.
If so, please have then be out of the FB spot, the spot he should always be playing.[/QUOTE]quote:Originally posted by chickenboy:
A FB can run the ball as much as they want from the FB position. They can also catch the ball from that position for all I care. I wouldn't have wanted Hendo playing HB and getting touches from the HB position.
Or this one?