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G. Allen got ejected for a Flagrant 2 last night on a Caruso dunk attempt. It was a hard foul and Caruso went down hard, but the way that Donavan and some others talk about it you'd think he tackled him or shoved him into the stanchion.

Allen went up to challenge the dunk and hit wrists and ball with his left hand. Then when Caruso still had the ball, he swung his right hand at the ball and his forearms to prevent any chance of an And-1.

Three thoughts on this.

1. If Allen doesn't have a history, this is probably a flagrant-1 and we are done talking about it.

2. He didn't hit him above the shoulders. He didn't take out his legs. He didn't purposely stick out his legs and trip a guy.

3. Donavan is playing some gamesmanship here and the Bucks have to get it under control. The "he could have ended his career" comments were WAY over the top. Donavan is setting up the next Bucks game or a Bucks playoff series. DeRozan got 18 FTs last night shooting jump shots. On some of the replays, there was phantom contact. A reason the Bucks were able to build an 8 point lead in the 4th and then hold on was that the officials stopped calling those tacky-tack calls on the jump shots.

4. And this is the most important point. This probably happens to Giannis 100 times a year, and it's understandable why. He gets by a guy, draws contact, hears the whistle, and then the opponents try to make sure he doesn't get an AND-1. They grab his arms/waist, swing hard at the ball in his hands, etc. That doesn't make it a dirty play, it's just what happens. Caruso has a little bit of DDV or Thanasis in him in that he's somewhat out of control himself at times. He doesn't have the body control or strength that a guy like Giannis has to absorb the contact and avoid a hard fall.

If the league office tries to make a point by suspending Allen, then the Bucks need to make sure that Giannis gets officiated the same way. In other words, when guys hammer him when he's going for an AND-1 when he's in the air without really going for the ball, they need some Flagrant-1s called to stop that.

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It just got a LOT worse for Grayson Allen and the Bucks. I still don't think the foul was any worse than many other fouls you'll see, and I don't think it was intentionally dirty. However, G. Allen has a history of a lot of dirty play in the past (tripping guys, etc.) and when you trade for him, you risk that baggage coming into play in situations like this.



Adrian Wojnarowski
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Chicago Bulls guard Alex Caruso has suffered a fractured right wrist and will likely need surgery, sources tell ESPN. The injury occurred after a fall following a flagrant foul from Milwaukeeโ€™s Grayson Allen on Friday night.
@Timpranillo posted:

He doesn't wind up and absolutely try to knock his head off with the right arm and maybe you have a point. This is who this guy is.

I'm absolutely shocked that NBA players continue to take these cheap shots from him without just laying his ass out, as they should.

There's a debate that it wasn't even the worst flagrant foul in the NBA last night.

This one from Talen Horton-Tucker is just as bad, but was only a Flagrant 1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtWqY988XYE

The problem now is that that the Bucks are now a marked team.

The nice thing about the Bucks last year was that it was really hard to dislike anyone on their team. Giannis literally had a movie made about his life. Holiday is one of the most respected guys in the league. Middleton is a former 2nd round pick who worked his ass off to get where he is. Lopez is a lovable goofball. Connaughton and Portis (with the exception of punching Mirotic in practice years ago) are try-hard guys. PJ Tucker played overseas for years to be able to make it in the NBA. If anything, the narrative was that the Bucks were boring.

When you take on a guy with a reputation like G. Allen, you risk this happening. If DDV or Connaughton had done the same thing, they'd have been criticized but  it would have been an unfortunate accident that happened while they were playing hard.

It's disappointing as a fan that the team you cheer for has guys like these. I supposed every fanbase has to deal with some of these types, but it seems worse for Wisconsin sports fans right now. No matter how you feel about the vaccination stuff, Rodgers has been revealed to be an elite-level jackass. One of the Brewers best player, Josh Hader, has to deal with the fallout of some idiotic things he posted as a 17-year-old that make it hard to cheer for him. Badgers basketball has Brad Davison, who is basically a less-talented version of Grayson Allen.

If you are a Chicago fan Iโ€™d be pissed because Caruso is arguably their best defensive guy and heโ€™s going to now miss several weeks.   The Bulls have already been dealing with injury issues so this wonโ€™t help matters at all.

That being said, if this didnโ€™t involve Allen would we even be talking about this?   Probably not.  Certain guys in the league have built up a reputation for being chippy and even dirty at times.  Draymond Green has made a career out of that style of play.

What concerns me is now Allen and the Bucks are on the radar from an officiating standpoint and letโ€™s be honest itโ€™s not exactly like Giannis (even now) gets the MJ treatment.  

Last edited by Tschmack

Look at this quote from over the summer. Doesn't this look like a guy who could be criticized for being a POS?

โ€œAnd a lot of times you have to play physical, play a little dirty to try to slow guys down  because this league is filled with killers, filled with guys that are really good offensive players.

Did Grayson Allen say this previously? Nope, it was Alex Caruso after he signed as a free agent with the Bulls.

https://www.nbcsports.com/chic...h-play-dirty-defense

It's almost all about Allen's reputation in college (which was deserved). The problem is that he looks like either the entitled frat boy we all hated in college or the banker's kid in high school in your small town that always acted like he was better than everyone else. That's compounded by the problem that the guy that got hurt (Caruso) looks like a guy you played with in your Thursday night rec league at the YMCA.

If Allen was going up for the lay-up and Caruso did the same thing, the same talking heads would be talking about how it was just a hard-nosed play by the ultimate gamer (Caruso) who was just trying to stop the And-one. It also doesn't hurt Caruso that he's the blue-collar type that has now played in two of the big markets and is a fan favorite (Lakers and Bulls) in large part because he's a dorky looking white guy that plays hard and is an asset to the team even though he looks like he doesn't belong.

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