Great individual offense not producing runs..

Weeks has been a black hole, LuCroy has been slumping horribly, and base running gaffes have cost them significantly. That's pretty much accounts for the difference...

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Weeks has been a black hole, LuCroy has been slumping horribly, a

Even with those 2 we are 2nd in the NL in OPS...

Good point about outs on the bases. Combine that with bad lineup construction, AKA, Weeks at cleanup, and that has to be it.

By the way, I also place blame on RR for those outs on the bases.. He preaches aggressive base running and it shows. Sure, it leads to runs now and then, but when your team is the 2nd best slugging team, 430, it just isn't worth the risk.

Yuni has been living on that power surge (which I can't imagine he sustains). His OBP is abysmal. He and Luc are south of .300, and Weeks is an o-fer from being in the same boat. Maldy and Gonzo, our top backups, south of .300.

Got to get on base to make it happen.

Even with all that, the Crew is 2nd in the NL in OPS. That should translate into more than avg in runs scored, but it isn't at the moment.

imagine what it would be like if guys were on base?

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Originally posted by Corageous-Ka-Bong:
imagine what it would be like if guys were on base?

OPS = ON BASE + slugging..They are on base.

Imagine what it would be like if the lineup was constructed in a way that your worst offensive player wasn't hitting 4th. Imaging if they didn't lead the NL in caught stealing, not to mention the other base running blunders..

I get what you are saying, the bottom part isn't on when the top comes around.. I don't know if that is accurate though because Gomez / Yuni had been bottom order guys while Weeks / Lucroy were middle order.

thank god you explained OPS to me.

Considering I cited the stat twice and you twice responded with "got to get on base" it was worth it.

7th in runs and 2nd in OPS with ARam out for a huge chunk and no Hart at all seems pretty good to me. Methinks starting pitching has been to blame for the 16-20 record so far.

7th in total runs in the NL

4 runs behind 6th place, which has played 3 more games.
9 runs behind 5th place, which has played 2 more games.
In fact, Mil has played about 2 games less than everyone ahead of them.

6th in OBP, 2nd in SLG (OPS might be driven by slugging in this particular team's case ).

If you look at runs per game, Milwaukee would be tied for 5th at 4.39 runs per game, just a smidge behind 4th place (4.40 runs per game). Cin is at 4.74 runs per game and leads the NL. By my math, that is about one more run every 4 games than Milwaukee.

The sample is small, but it really causes no alarm at all on the team level in terms of offense. This sample hardly included Aram, and Hart isn't even in the picture. That will probably even out when Gomez levels off and Yuni plays more games.

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Milwaukee would be tied for 5th

Ok.. Up two spots. There is still something off when you have 4 of the top 20 hitters in the NL.

Could it be a guy hitting a smooth .098 with runners on spent most of the season to date in a run producing spot in the lineup? Nah... that has nothing to do with it.

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Methinks starting pitching has been to blame for the 16-20 record so far.

Pitching in general.. of course. I'm pointing out that I feel we could have a few more runs, possibly leading to a win or two, if the team was managed differently.

Weeks in the four hole for 11 of 36 games has doomed the club you think?

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Originally posted by chickenboy:
Weeks in the four hole for 11 of 36 games has doomed the club you think?

Yes.. That is exactly what I said.

"I feel we could have a few more runs, possibly leading to a win or two"

"Pitching in general.. of course."

I'm simply taking about maximizing the offense, not what is wrong with the team as a whole. Focus, focus, focus.



4 hole... 5 hole... Those are spots that could have produced more runs if RR was quicker to move Weeks / Lucroy down and Gomez / Yuni up. I can't fault him for Yuni / Lucroy, nobody saw that coming, however, Gomez progressing and Weeks regressing was a easier call to make.

Then you have all the outs on the bases. A team who can slug like the Brewers shouldn't be leading the league in caught stealing. That's not smart baseball.

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Originally posted by BrainDed:
Could it be a guy hitting a smooth .098 with runners on spent most of the season to date in a run producing spot in the lineup? Nah... that has nothing to do with it.

Credos young man, credos.

Everything I have posted up until this point has been designed to dispute this fact. Not one other person was able to piece together this puzzle until now. You and you alone were able to see through the ruse I cleverly concocted to dispute that 61 at bats by one player has lead to the downfall of this team.

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61 at bats by one player has lead to the downfall of this team.

Another poster with reading comprehension troubles. At what point did I elude that not scoring as much as we could was the "downfall of this team?"

This topic is not about the "downfall of the team" or what has "doomed the club." It's just an examination of the offense and why they have scored less runs than one would expect when looking at other statistics.

Let me provide some quick quotes for you:

"That should translate into more than avg in runs scored"
"Brewers are still middle of the pack in runs scored."
"There is still something off when you have 4 of the top 20 hitters in the NL. "
"I'm simply taking about maximizing the offense"

and of course this one...

"I feel we could have a few more runs, possibly leading to a win or two "

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Originally posted by BrainDed: A team who can slug like the Brewers shouldn't be leading the league in caught stealing. That's not smart baseball.

Like I mentioned, they do lead the league in steals. So they likely attempt more steals that anybody else. Which in turn would suggest they would also be up there in caught stealings.

Now, maybe you believe they just shouldn't steal but they do have 2 very fast players in GoGo and Seggy. Add in Aoki and Braun as well if you want.

Is it possible that aggressive base running has allowed them to score more runs than they would have if they were station-to-station?

Experts suggest you need to steal at a 70% clip for the risk/reward to break even. I would assume that 70% would be for a average hitting ball club. We hit better than average so that rate would have to climb as well for it to be worth the risk.

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Is it possible that aggressive base running has allowed them to score more runs than they would have if they were station-to-station?

For sure, but it also costs outs. It's hard to debate because it's predicated on assumed outcomes. I just think they need to be smarter.. There is no need to be aggressive with no outs. Trying to go 1st to 3rd with 1 out, ok, that has a lot of value, but that's not where all the outs are coming from.

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Originally posted by BrainDed: There is no need to be aggressive with no outs.

What if the 7th hitter leads off an inning and gets on base?

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Originally posted by BrainDed:
It's just an examination of the offense and why they have scored less runs than one would expect when looking at other statistics.

My apologies, I thought I have covered that in the "different number of games played" explanation. See, you were comparing a statistic that is dependent on having an equal number of games played (total runs) to one that does not (OPS). Now, my reading comprehension isn't what it used to be, so forgive me if that was confusing.

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Originally posted by BrainDed:
"That should translate into more than avg in runs scored"
"Brewers are still middle of the pack in runs scored."
"There is still something off when you have 4 of the top 20 hitters in the NL. "
"I'm simply taking about maximizing the offense""

Excellent points. I guess you could revisit how average they are when everyone has an equal number of games. Same with point 2. Point three could have been addressed when I talked about Weeks, Yuni, Maldy and Luc not getting on base.

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Originally posted by BrainDed:

and of course this one...

"I feel we could have a few more runs, possibly leading to a win or two "

Good point. If they had outscored the opponent a few more times, there might be a few more wins. I wonder if the pen hadn't blown saves if they would have more wins. Someone will probably have to explain WHIP before I can delve into that.

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Good point. If they had outscored the opponent a few more times, there might be a few more wins. I wonder if the pen hadn't blown saves if they would have more wins. Someone will probably have to explain WHIP before I can delve into that.

In a thread dedicated to pitching, I'll explain it to you. Doubt you will take the time to read it because you will probably be fixated on something unrelated to the topic.. Hey look, a squirrel!

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"Excellent points. I guess you could revisit how average they are when everyone has an equal number of games.

Yes, I acknowledged that.. Thank you for pointing that out.. It moved them up to 5 if you go by runs per game.. Valid point. I responded that I still thought there was room to maximize the offense. You disagree, Ron is a master of the lineup card in Ka-Bong world.

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Originally posted by BrainDed:
Ron is a master of the lineup card in Ka-Bong world.

Isn't this the same tone you were pissing an moaning about before?

If you ask about adjusting the line up, I agree there are changes I would make if I were king. If you are asking are some players completely sucking up the box score game after game, I agree. If you are worried about the offense based on OPS not playing out to enough runs per game, I'll again point out that in this woefully inadequate sample, the difference between Milwaukee and the top of the league is one run every 4 games.