This guy is still a kid. Glad we got him. He should only mature and get more focus.
quote:Originally posted by Max Headroom:
This guy is still a kid. Glad we got him. He should only mature and get more focus.
I agree. It was TGIF at the beginning of last season and Oh Gosh it's Finley at the end. I see no reason that it can't be TGIF again. You also can't underestimate his size and skill as a bail out option for AR. The guy goes and gets it when his head is on straight. He gives that offense another dimension.
Not really liking this move very much with the rotten play by the defense last year and the fact that the Packers won the Superbowl without him. However, I'm not going to flip out unless the defense continues to suck really hard well into 2012.
Rodgers is relieved.
TT does it again!
TT does it again!
TT signed Finley??? I for one am shocked by this turn of events.
Wait and see what TT does next... Flynn will get the tag and GB will trade his ass for a nice pick or a player. 
Appears to be a compromise that works for both parties. Don't see any real downside for the Packers there.
quote:Originally posted by Boris:
Rodgers is relieved.
TT does it again!
A very good and most welcome start to the offseason.
Now let's see how he handles the Wells situation, and if he can get anything for Flynn beyond a comp pick.
Had no idea a deal for JerDumDum could be done with such a nice risk/reward scenario for the Packers....Finley is now financially set for life at 24yo.....and able to posture in THREE years for a mega deal....Yep three years because if YADDA can ever live up to his own hype....we tag him in Y3 if we cannot get him signed. Very good contract for the Packers.
Keep the young man motivated....I hated the idea of signing him to a 4 - 5 year deal with huge money up front.
Keep the young man motivated....I hated the idea of signing him to a 4 - 5 year deal with huge money up front.
Agreed. ROTTT might want to see how Hands of Steel reacts to wealth without 3-4 years impact on spending.
quote:Originally posted by Pakrz:
Wait and see what TT does next... Flynn will get the tag and GB will trade his ass for a nice pick or a player.
Miami #2 would be a great spot.
quote:Flynn will get the tag and GB will trade his ass for a nice pick or a player.
Will they trade the rest of him too, or just his ass? And if not, which team is on the hook for his salary?
I wish Jenkins' agent would have called TT with the deal he got from the Eagles last summer.
I think the Pack is betting that Finley hasn't reached his full potential yet.
Last off-season, the guy had a serious medical problem beyond just the football injury that really set him behind. He kind of did his own thing in terms of how he worked out as the Packers couldn't monitor him in the off-season thanks to the lockout.
Overall he had a good but not great year in 2011. I'm betting the Pack thinks that with a full healthy off-season and with their coaches being able to monitor what Finley is doing in the off-season (minicamps, OTAs, etc.) they can work with him to allow him to take the next step.
Finley's got a golden opportunity in the next 2 years to get into that V. Davis, J. Graham, R. Gronkowski class. He wasn't in it this year, but perhaps the Pack thinks he can still get there. If he gets there, he's got another big free agent contract opportunity in 2014.
Last off-season, the guy had a serious medical problem beyond just the football injury that really set him behind. He kind of did his own thing in terms of how he worked out as the Packers couldn't monitor him in the off-season thanks to the lockout.
Overall he had a good but not great year in 2011. I'm betting the Pack thinks that with a full healthy off-season and with their coaches being able to monitor what Finley is doing in the off-season (minicamps, OTAs, etc.) they can work with him to allow him to take the next step.
Finley's got a golden opportunity in the next 2 years to get into that V. Davis, J. Graham, R. Gronkowski class. He wasn't in it this year, but perhaps the Pack thinks he can still get there. If he gets there, he's got another big free agent contract opportunity in 2014.
quote:Originally posted by fightphoe93:
Finley's got a golden opportunity in the next 2 years to get into that V. Davis, J. Graham, R. Gronkowski class. He wasn't in it this year, but perhaps the Pack thinks he can still get there. If he gets there, he's got another big free agent contract opportunity in 2014.
Of course they think that. Before last season no one would have had Finley behind any of those guys.
quote:Originally posted by Pakrz:
TT signed Finley??? I for one am shocked by this turn of events.
geenyus
quote:Originally posted by Pakrz:
Wait and see what TT does next... Flynn will get the tag and GB will trade his ass for a nice pick or a player.
I still don't think it will happen, but the odds did increase.
It might just be wishful thinking EKB, but you know there are going to be multiple teams interested in Flynn. I think tagging the guy and working out some sort of a deal with one of the interested teams isn't as far-fetched as previously thought. The Dolphins immediately come to mind. They have a need for a young QB like Flynn and have the HC in place that knows him as well as anybody.... Not to mention an owner that's on record stating basically that finding a QB is at the top of his list and he will do what it takes to get it done (Paraphrasing of course).
That said, I'm not really sure what the Packers could expect to get for Flynn. I think a 1st round pick might be a stretch but a 2nd, a player or maybe a first round switch might be attainable. Cameron Wake anybody???
That said, I'm not really sure what the Packers could expect to get for Flynn. I think a 1st round pick might be a stretch but a 2nd, a player or maybe a first round switch might be attainable. Cameron Wake anybody???
if Ted can turn this into a third round pick he might have already sewn up the GM of the year award
Finley wrote, "I could not be happier to have the privilege of being a Packer for the next 2 yrs. Glad to be back with my team & coaches for 1 common goal."
As long as that common goal is not to get him the ball as much as possible.
As long as that common goal is not to get him the ball as much as possible.
So if the Packers tag Flynn would you rather see a trade for a young solid player at C or OLB or picks? I always like the picks but getting a OLB that could immediately contribute would be nice. I highly doubt it happens but it's fodder for conversation.
I think given TT's track record, there's more value in a 2nd rounder than the type of player a trade would bring.
And H5, everyone likes his own brand.
And H5, everyone likes his own brand.
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:
If Flynn is tagged, I don't see Thompson trading for (just) players. Maybe pick(s), or pick(s) and player(s), but not just for bodies. He likes his own too much.
No, not just bodies but instead of a high pick a player with like a 4th rounder.
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5: He likes his own too much.
quote:Originally posted by IL_Pack_Fan: And H5, everyone likes his own brand.
At some point don't you have enough young players? I mean, it's a team in it's prime and already the youngest (or close to it) in the league. A roster full of potential two years down the road doesn't help now. Is it time to sacrifice 2 or 3 players of potential for 1 you can plug and play?
quote:Originally posted by chickenboy:
At some point don't you have enough young players?
Not if you want to keep winning. Welcome to the Mike Sherman school of GMing.
quote:I mean, it's a team in it's prime and already the youngest (or close to it) in the league. A roster full of potential two years down the road doesn't help now. Is it time to sacrifice 2 or 3 players of potential for 1 you can plug and play?
A player you can plug in shouldn't be long in the tooth. The only reason I brought it up is because Flynn is a young QB. If a trade for a player is going to happen it will be a young player.
Where did I say long in the tooth? A frequent comment on here is TT supplies the other teams with good players at the cut deadline. Might it be time to sacrifice a couple of picks for a guy who can play now? Not long in the tooth. Not a budget buster. Think Ryan Pickett (who I know was FA signing 
, but a player at a level I am suggesting).
, but a player at a level I am suggesting).
That's fair Henry... most logical trade partners? My guess would be MIA, SEA, and CLE. Long shot would be WAS, but I think they already have wood for Manning. What young(er) players do they have that Thompson might want?
quote:Originally posted by IL_Pack_Fan:
And H5, everyone likes his own brand.
True, but it is clear that Thompson is more pick versus player focused than most other GMs with regards to trades.
quote:
At some point don't you have enough young players? I mean, it's a team in it's prime and already the youngest (or close to it) in the league. A roster full of potential two years down the road doesn't help now. Is it time to sacrifice 2 or 3 players of potential for 1 you can plug and play?
SB 45 backed up by 15-1. Bad plan, time to change.
quote:Originally posted by chickenboy:
Where did I say long in the tooth?
Past history.
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:
That's fair Henry... most logical trade partners? My guess would be MIA, SEA, and CLE. Long shot would be WAS, but I think they already have wood for Manning. What young(er) players do they have that Thompson might want?
To be honest, I hadn't really researched it. Figured it would make for good talk.
I think other GM's were resigned to the fact that Finley was likely to get the tag, and if not him then Wells and they would have a fair shot at landing Flynn as a FA.
Does TT make the deal with Finley now to send a "not so fast" message to the league that Flynn may not be hitting the open market to see if it shakes loose some offers?
If it doesn't does he simply sign or tag Wells at the 11th hour and let Flynn go to FA for a comp. 3rd rounder.
Does TT make the deal with Finley now to send a "not so fast" message to the league that Flynn may not be hitting the open market to see if it shakes loose some offers?
If it doesn't does he simply sign or tag Wells at the 11th hour and let Flynn go to FA for a comp. 3rd rounder.
McCarthy's comments at his year-end presser, such as Finley and quarterback Aaron Rodgers need to develop their relationship as a thrower and pass-catcher, and Finley could use an offseason program to work on his game and will continue to grow as a player, indicated that he fully expected Finley to be part of the team next season.
I am surprised that TT managed to pull off a 2-year deal. Maybe Finley's agent found that there wasn't much interest around the NFL in paying big bucks to a guy who, for him, had a subpar season, and is arguably still not fully recovered from 2010's serious knee injury.
Flynn most likely to get the franchise tag now, and thumbs up for that move. I would hate to see him walk without the Packers getting some type of compensation for him.
I am surprised that TT managed to pull off a 2-year deal. Maybe Finley's agent found that there wasn't much interest around the NFL in paying big bucks to a guy who, for him, had a subpar season, and is arguably still not fully recovered from 2010's serious knee injury.
Flynn most likely to get the franchise tag now, and thumbs up for that move. I would hate to see him walk without the Packers getting some type of compensation for him.
I think that is all spot on....and why the deal was done so soon.quote:Originally posted by ChilliJon:
I think other GM's were resigned to the fact that Finley was likely to get the tag, and if not him then Wells and they would have a fair shot at landing Flynn as a FA.
Does TT make the deal with Finley now to send a "not so fast" message to the league that Flynn may not be hitting the open market to see if it shakes loose some offers?
ROTTT is stirring the pot....I think he would have a serious career ahead on the WPT......MOFO doesn't blink.
The timing is also interesting since the deal was done during the combine. Uncle Ted and Russ Ball can have some "what if" conversations regarding Flynn.
Here's a blurb from Andrew Brandt and NFP about the "conversations" that take place at the combine.
"The timing of the Combine – which precedes the opening of free agency and trading – necessitates discussion of player contract negotiations and/or movement. Meetings between team negotiators and agents take place in hotel rooms and lobbies and restaurants throughout downtown Indianapolis. With the Packers, we stayed at the Omni hotel, as did several other teams, and we would each have our section of the lobby where we would meet agents.
Most of my meetings were about players that we had under contract already and we were either trying to re-sign (as the Finley deal last night) or listen to complaints about what the player was making. In the rare times where we were talking about potential free agents, I was careful to phrase questions such as “In the event your player is out of his contract next week, what would you be looking for?”
What became frustrating as a team negotiator was when I could not even talk to agents of our players with expiring contracts because the agent had so many meetings scheduled with other teams. Could I prove that he was talking about our player? No, as most agents have existing players on many teams. But it was maddening to watch agents ignore the player’s existing team to seek out other options."
Here's a blurb from Andrew Brandt and NFP about the "conversations" that take place at the combine.
"The timing of the Combine – which precedes the opening of free agency and trading – necessitates discussion of player contract negotiations and/or movement. Meetings between team negotiators and agents take place in hotel rooms and lobbies and restaurants throughout downtown Indianapolis. With the Packers, we stayed at the Omni hotel, as did several other teams, and we would each have our section of the lobby where we would meet agents.
Most of my meetings were about players that we had under contract already and we were either trying to re-sign (as the Finley deal last night) or listen to complaints about what the player was making. In the rare times where we were talking about potential free agents, I was careful to phrase questions such as “In the event your player is out of his contract next week, what would you be looking for?”
What became frustrating as a team negotiator was when I could not even talk to agents of our players with expiring contracts because the agent had so many meetings scheduled with other teams. Could I prove that he was talking about our player? No, as most agents have existing players on many teams. But it was maddening to watch agents ignore the player’s existing team to seek out other options."
quote:Originally posted by Chronic Hobbit:
If you're the Packers, can you privately start taking offers for Flynn before applying the franchise tag (like right now)?
According to Andrew Brandt, yes. It is all in how it is worded when discussing players not under contract.
quote:Originally posted by Henry:
To be honest, I hadn't really researched it. Figured it would make for good talk.
Wasn't asking you specifically... I'm with you, don't know if there are young guys Thompson would want via trade from the likely trade partners.
TT to Phins: Say I know a guy (coughs Matt Flynn) that may need a new home.
Phins to TT: Real estate is cheap down here.
TT to Phins: Could you send me some good deals?
Phins to TT: I will get in touch with my realtor.
Phins to TT: Real estate is cheap down here.
TT to Phins: Could you send me some good deals?
Phins to TT: I will get in touch with my realtor.
quote:Originally posted by PackerRuss:
What's to say that Flynn gets the tag, and all the teams that would be potential suitors, know that they can lowball offers, since they know the Packers have to get rid of him. If Flynn gets tagged, doesn't that force the hand of TT?
I don't think there's any chance he gets the tag without a deal in place first.
Interesting comments after that Miami article michiganjoe posted. If the 'Fins are giving up a 2nd, would a trade up for RG3 be possible/preferable?