@Herschel posted:MVS was trying to get out of bounds under his own power. That was a good call.
Incorrect sir. Forward progress is almost ALWAYS awarded (except that play) and ref rolls the clock. You have to be moving FORWARD when you go OOB to stop the clock.
Did Tirico really finish up his intro with "It's the cheeseheads and the chefs"?? LOL
@antiworst posted:Kelce didn't complain because he's bangin Tae Tae at the Holiday Inn in a couple hours
Butter Burgers thru room service?
Anyone know if Bak and / or Alexander were on the sidelines during the game?
@BrainDed posted:That's not how it works.. He needs to be moving forward. If he is being driven backwards when attempting to go OB, the clock runs as it is considered a tackle.
I get what you're saying, but it was ruled he was going that way, not that he was driven that way.
In other words, it was his actions that got him out of bounds, not the defenders.
Were it the defender that was the cause of him going out of bounds, yes, the clock would still have been running. In this case, the defender couldn't stop him from getting out of bounds, hence, clock stops.
@Herschel posted:I get what you're saying, but it was ruled he was going that way, not that he was driven that way.
In other words, it was his actions that got him out of bounds, not the defenders.
Were it the defender that was the cause of him going out of bounds, yes, the clock would still have been running. In this case, the defender couldn't stop him from getting out of bounds, hence, clock stops.
He was moving backwards when he went out of bounds. If he does that then the clock keeps running and doesn’t stop.
The clock should have kept rolling either way.
@titmfatied posted:
Man, I never noticed those ears before. Is he part Vulcan?
@Herschel posted:I get what you're saying, but it was ruled he was going that way, not that he was driven that way.
In other words, it was his actions that got him out of bounds, not the defenders.
Were it the defender that was the cause of him going out of bounds, yes, the clock would still have been running. In this case, the defender couldn't stop him from getting out of bounds, hence, clock stops.
Wrong again sir.....they marked the ball UP where he had forward progress not where he went OOB and still stopped the clock.
You have to be moving forward when going OOB to get the clock stopped under 2 minutes. It's been the rule for quite a few years and you can see it in multiple games where refs have kept the clock rolling and given forward progress when a player is pushed OOB going backwards.
So either .....
@Herschel posted:I get what you're saying, but it was ruled he was going that way, not that he was driven that way.
In other words, it was his actions that got him out of bounds, not the defenders.
Were it the defender that was the cause of him going out of bounds, yes, the clock would still have been running. In this case, the defender couldn't stop him from getting out of bounds, hence, clock stops.
RONG as usual.
@Boris posted:Wrong again sir.....they marked the ball UP where he had forward progress not where he went OOB and still stopped the clock.
You have to be moving forward when going OOB to get the clock stopped under 2 minutes. It's been the rule for quite a few years and you can see it in multiple games where refs have kept the clock rolling and given forward progress when a player is pushed OOB going backwards.
So either .....
- The ball gets placed where he went OOB and clock stops orrrrr....
- The runner is given forward progress and clock keeps rolling.
The ball was spotted incorrectly for that ruling, yes. I don't think I've seen anyone disagree with that.
It was a judgement call. I can see why they ruled it the way they did whether I like it or not.
RE: the non call on Valentine:
JHC, there are questionable and bad calls in every freakin game. Some get reviewed and corrected, some don’t, Get over it.
By the way, could the bogus hit on Pat M been reviewed and corrected, if not why?
Judgement calls are not reviewable, per NFL rules.
An explanation here
Must we? I mean must we? Did I mention must we?
Watching game again, and noticed ♥️ isn’t wearing any long sleeves!!!! He’s bare arming it.
He did have white long sleeves on during warmups. Must have lost them in the locker room.
Just had to put this somewhere!
@Packiderm posted:Just had to put this somewhere!
Snagged for use elsewhere...
Don't care for Skip, but good discussion by Irv and Sherman here.
Couple upstanding citizens discussing the game. 
What Is that accent on the 2 tomato cans? Slight chicago but different.
I believe that's a witness protection accent.
@Herschel posted:The ball was spotted incorrectly for that ruling, yes. I don't think I've seen anyone disagree with that.
It was a judgement call. I can see why they ruled it the way they did whether I like it or not.
Piss poor judgement, and I can't.l see how they ruled it that way.
Ballentine had MVS wrapped and was pushing him backwards. MVS did not go backwards on his own. The refs had the spot (forward progress) correct, but the clock should've kept running.
I just watched the replay...
@vitaflo posted:He was moving backwards when he went out of bounds. If he does that then the clock keeps running and doesn’t stop.
The clock should have kept rolling either way.
The clock should still run even if you go OB laterally, no? It seems like all the Packers on the sideline behind the official were 100% confident that the clock should keep running.
Thought forward progress was clearly stopped on the play and didn't think it was a particularly close call.
@artis posted:The clock should still run even if you go OB laterally, no? It seems like all the Packers on the sideline behind the official were 100% confident that the clock should keep running.
No. A different example we've seen before is when a first down would be involved. If the receiver catches the ball past the sticks and runs out of bounds behind the sticks, the clock stops and there is no first down.
It's about control.
We know in that sitauation MVS would try to get out of bounds.
The judgement call was that MVS ran out of bounds under his own volition and Ballantine was unable to stop him.
The other way would have been Ballantine knocked him out of bounds after esstablishing control and ending the play.
