@MichiganPacker2 posted:Their coach can't adjust.
does the coach play??? I never understand how the coach is responsible for how bad shooting is, or blocking, or passing or just getting points. 
@Tschmack posted:Bledsoe had 4 assists. 4! Giannis had 9. Middleton 7.
He can’t shoot and plays like a SG
The common denominator in the last 3 playoff failures is him. He cannot perform when the pressure is on
Giannis can’t be in a good place right now either and Coach Bud wow. He’s the coaching version of Bled.
Agreed. They have to move Bledsoe. I don't think Brogdon would have saved us in this series but he absolutely would have been a better starting PG for us this year. Brogdon also is cool and collected under pressure. Our PG HAS to be a shooter. We can give up some defense but our PG has to pull the trigger when he is open.
Bud is gone. You probably can't bring him back with Giannis again and if you end up trading Giannis, there is no way they can bring him back either
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Bud has to be gone, right?
You cannot have two playoff endings like this with your superstar hanging in the balance
Time for a coaching change. Tony Dungy was very successful in Tampa Bay, but failed in the playoffs year after year. He was fired. John Gruden came in and won the Super Bowl the next season. Who is the Gruden of the NBA that the Bucks can bring in next season?
@Goldie posted:does the coach play??? I never understand how the coach is responsible for how bad shooting is, or blocking, or passing or just getting points.
He does not put his players in a position to optimize their success in half court offense. If the Bucks ran plays that got guys good shots that they just miss, then it's the players.
The Bucks were up 91-80. Here's the offensive possessions after that.
9:22 Giannis missed jump shot (18 feet) Bucks up 91-82
8:52 Bledsoe misses a 28 foot 3 pointer with 14 seconds left on the shot clock (91-84)
Bucks timeout
8:27 Marvin Williams makes a 6 footer off a nice pass from Bledsoe (93-87)
7:35 Brook Lopez misses 16 footer (93-90)
6:54 Brook Lopez turnover on an inbound pass (93-92)
Bucks timeout
6:38 DDV misses a layup (93-92)
6:04 Giannis missed 3 pointer (93-94)
The next two possessions George Hill scores twice on nice driving layups (97-98)
4:41 Giannis dunk (Bucks back up 99-98)
While they weren't great in this 5 minute span, they had 5 good possessions out of 10. They were up 1. Miami called timeout and the Bucks scored 1 point the rest of the way.
4:02 George Hill misses a highly contested shot in the paint. Giannis offensive rebound. Lopez misses a 3. (99-100). That's an OK possession, but it was the last one until it didn't matter.
3:47 Middleton missed 29 foot 3 pointer (99-102). Giannis misses the put back. (99-102)
3:10 George Hill misses a 23 foot 3 pointer.
2:49 Bledsoe makes 1 of 2 FTs. (100-104)
1:54 Lopez misses 26 foot 3 pointer (100-107)
1:25 Middleton misses 31 foot 3 pointer.
0:54 Bledsoe dribbles into a turnover. Bucks go down 9 immediately after.
The Bucks went over 3 minutes in the most crucial stretch of the season and the most crucial stretch for the franchise since perhaps the Allen-Cassell-Big Dog Game 7 2001 ECFs without setting anything up in the post for Giannis or Lopez where they had a huge advantage. They didn't run a set play to allow Middleton to come off screen action and get him an open mid-range shot (where he's top 5 in the NBA). The only offense was to give Middleton the ball beyond the 3 point line without running him off screen action (at least not enough) and expecting him to hit contested 3 point shots. They shot 2 FTs in the 4h quarter because they didn't attack the basket at all.
@MNPackman posted:Time for a coaching change. Tony Dungy was very successful in Tampa Bay, but failed in the playoffs year after year. He was fired. John Gruden came in and won the Super Bowl the next season. Who is the Gruden of the NBA that the Bucks can bring in next season?
You need a guy who has been there in the playoffs. If Giannis is back (and I think it's likely he'll refuse to sign the supermax), the regular season doesn't matter next year. 1 seed, 5 seed, 8 seed. It makes little difference.
You can't have a guy who has never been in the playoffs before. You can't risk Giannis' last year in Milwaukee with a rookie coach.
Jeff Van Gundy's been to an NBA Finals, but didn't get out of the first round with Houston with McGrady and Yao Ming. But he's a guy who'll make adjustments in crucial situations. He's about the only guy out there that fits what they'd be looking for.
Tom Thibodeau is Bud Part 2. Good regular season, no playoff success (partially because of D. Rose's knees).
Does Bud have an ALL CAPS MISSION STATEMENT out there? I feel that he likely does. WE DO WHAT WE DO. And set Bledsoe down outside of the bubble, immediately.
What do we see in successful playoff teams? A point guard or guard(s) that can set up plays in in a half court driven scheme. When the pace slows down, and it most certainly does in the playoffs, you need to distribute the ball and make good decisions. George Hill is sort of that guy. So was Brogdon. Eric Bledsoe is definitely not that guy. Making matters worse is he’s a terrible shooter and seems to make awful decisions with the ball in key moments. Oh, and he’s shaky at the FT line too.
Giannis has been disappointing in the playoffs, no doubt about it. But EB has absolutely killed this team in the playoffs and this year will be the trifecta of suck once again.
Yes he’s an elite defender. He has also been decent during the regular season when the Bucks can get out and run. But I can’t see how you can stick with him any more. And if it’s a matter of keeping Giannis and getting a real PG then that’s easy you get a real PG even if the person isn’t as good of a defender. We have witnessed 4 losses against Toronto and now 3 against Miami where they have failed time and time again to get the key basket because either Bledsoe isn’t capable or willing to make the right pass or set up the right play so it defers back to rushed shots or turnovers. That has to stop people.
For this team to make the next step, 34 has to develop a jump shot and get better on FTs. But this team will not be successful in the playoffs with Eric Bledsoe getting minutes. To a lesser degree, I think the same of Bud. His playoff resume is dreadful and if I am Giannis and want to stay in Milwaukee they will need to make a change.
Final point - if Giannis refuses to sign the super max then you have to trade him. Even if it means getting back less in return than he’s worth. You cannot afford to lose him for nothing.
@Tschmack posted:What do we see in successful playoff teams? A point guard or guard(s) that can set up plays in in a half court driven scheme. When the pace slows down, and it most certainly does in the playoffs, you need to distribute the ball and make good decisions. George Hill is sort of that guy. So was Brogdon. Eric Bledsoe is definitely not that guy. Making matters worse is he’s a terrible shooter and seems to make awful decisions with the ball in key moments. Oh, and he’s shaky at the FT line too.
Giannis has been disappointing in the playoffs, no doubt about it. But EB has absolutely killed this team in the playoffs and this year will be the trifecta of suck once again.
Yes he’s an elite defender. He has also been decent during the regular season when the Bucks can get out and run. But I can’t see how you can stick with him any more. And if it’s a matter of keeping Giannis and getting a real PG then that’s easy you get a real PG even if the person isn’t as good of a defender. We have witnessed 4 losses against Toronto and now 3 against Miami where they have failed time and time again to get the key basket because either Bledsoe isn’t capable or willing to make the right pass or set up the right play so it defers back to rushed shots or turnovers. That has to stop people.
For this team to make the next step, 34 has to develop a jump shot and get better on FTs. But this team will not be successful in the playoffs with Eric Bledsoe getting minutes. To a lesser degree, I think the same of Bud. His playoff resume is dreadful and if I am Giannis and want to stay in Milwaukee they will need to make a change.
Final point - if Giannis refuses to sign the super max then you have to trade him. Even if it means getting back less in return than he’s worth. You cannot afford to lose him for nothing.
Bud has to go after this. Even before the playoffs, the Bucks won only 4 of their last 13 games. At one point back in February, Bud's regular-season record with the Bucks was 112-30. It's hard to believe how quickly the wheels came off.
After Game 2 of the Raptors series, he was 10-1 in the playoffs with the Bucks. The only playoff wins since are against a Magic team that played a roster that wouldn't win 30 games in a regular season.
The most damning stat of all is this. In the Bucks 7 playoff losses against the Heat this year and the Raptors last year, there is only one game where the Bucks were out of it in the 4th (Game 3 last year in Toronto). In the 7 other games, they either had a lead at some point in the 4th quarter or they went to OT (Game 4 of the Raptors series). Going 0 for 6 in those situations, and losing in almost the same manner every time is a real indictment of the coaching.
If Giannis doesn't sign the SuperMax and the Bucks ride it out next year, the playoff pressure will dwarf that from even this year.
If Giannis doesn't sign the SuperMax and the Bucks decide to trade him, we are looking at another decade without even being remotely a title contender. They'll be too good to get a high lottery pick (Middleton, Lopez, and George Hill get you to at least 35 wins, if not more) and they'll be stuck in the 5-7 seed territory for the next 5 years given the contracts those guys have. They aren't getting anything back for Giannis that will make them any better than what they have now.
If he signs the SuperMax, you trade Bledsoe for a sack of potatoes. In all seriousness, his contract is cheap enough someone will take it on as he's a valuable defensive stopper type off the bench and has a lot of value in the Western conference to guard guys like Harden, Curry, and Chris Paul in stretches. Then you jettison Bud and get another guy besides Middleton that can score in the half-court offense. If you only watched this Bucks team in this series for the first time, you'd be wondering if they would ever get a second guy to help out Middleton with the scoring load. Giannis has looked that bad. This sums it up.
Even with as lousy as Bledsoe has been and how idiotic Bud's decisions have been, Giannis is the reason they are losing.
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A Miami trade isn’t totally out of the realm of possibility.
Butler, Nunn, and Herro would work out from a salary standpoint and right now would the Bucks be improved with those 3 v Giannis? From a pure offensive standpoint no doubt. Nunn and Herro address their outside shooting issues and Butler gives them 2 way guy that is a killer in the postseason. Couple them with Lopez and Middleton and Hill and that’s a pretty decent squad.
I'd say Miami would rather keep those 3. But I have no idea about the money/contract stuff.
@Tschmack posted:A Miami trade isn’t totally out of the realm of possibility.
Butler, Nunn, and Herro would work out from a salary standpoint and right now would the Bucks be improved with those 3 v Giannis? From a pure offensive standpoint no doubt. Nunn and Herro address their outside shooting issues and Butler gives them 2 way guy that is a killer in the postseason. Couple them with Lopez and Middleton and Hill and that’s a pretty decent squad.
They won't move Butler. He's their #1 and leader. I think it makes sense for both teams to move Adebayo to the Bucks. He will be up for an extension and will command 30 million. I think Adebayo, Nunn, Hero and additional picks/possible players.
@The Crusher posted:They won't move Butler. He's their #1 and leader. I think it makes sense for both teams to move Adebayo to the Bucks. He will be up for an extension and will command 30 million. I think Adebayo, Nunn, Hero and additional picks/possible players.
Would you give a 6'9" guy that is a career 14% shooter from 3 a long-term 30 million dollar a year extension? He also shot under 70% from the line this year.
He's a great defensive player and a contributor on offense, but not at 30 million a year. He can't shoot. At 5 million a year, he's a great option.
Of course the Heat want to move him before they have to pay him.