I Used To Despise TeBow, Now I Feel Sorry For Him

I's just wait for Calbuc to tell me how to feel, but I'm to busy partying while the kids are dumped off with the grandparents.

I don't feel bad for Tebow. To quote Mike Evans of The Fan in Denver, Tim Tebow is very good at being Tim Tebow. He doesn't necessarily ask for the media attention, but he sure doesn't turn away from it. You don't become a media darling like Tebow by accident.

I'm glad he's not on the Packers b/c even with Rodgers, Tebow would be the most covered play on the team. Players may like the man and the player, but it has to get old constantly answering questions about Tebow. Jets are idiots though, b/c the entire world saw this coming. I can't stand Rex Ryan and the Jets, so I'm really enjoying this ride.

I agree for the most part with CalBuc. Just because he gets paid more than I do and dosent mind expressing his faith dosent mean he should get ripped. I dont hear him complaining about it and that makes him a better man than those who bitch about him.

Couldn't disagree more. Does he have a right, under our secular Constitution, to speak to his beliefs? Sure, no one here said he didn't. Do other folks have a right to say that they don't want to constantly hear about his beliefs under the same societal standard? You bet, and that doesn't make anyone who thinks his beliefs are a load of bigoted, misogynistic crap a lesser person.

The bottom line is that there's no reason to feel sorry for poor Tim Tebow. Poor guy. He's really lived and continues to live a terribly trying and difficult life.

If the current population of the world is indeed 6.97 billion people, I think I will feel sorry for about 6.5 billion of those people before I get around to Tim Tebow.

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Originally posted by CALBuccaneer:
Henry,

That's fine, we can agree to disagree. I don't really know you Henry so I cannot comment on how we are alike or different. I am curious though... If you tune out TeBow's preaching... and focus on his ACTIONS as a teammate, as a man, as a human being... what do you find bad about him?

And what standards do you use to decide if someone is a good man or a bad person?

I find the typical hypocrisy of anyone that puts forward a "aw shucks" persona while being a front man for anything that is far from "aw shucks". He is either a complete hypocrite or a complete moron.

First, start and end with "human". Then go back and look over the whole of history, the cultures that have emerged, look at the simplicity of what each person is/isn't, be it 15th century China or 21st century America and then tell me it is some narrow interpretation of some goat herders in the middle east 3500 years ago that is the determining factor of what is "moral" or not. Humans are moral, not religions.

His ACTIONS are as salient as some pompous politician eating a corn dog at the State Fair. Smile for the crowd "Everyman Timmy" as your ACTIONS of using your fame to support hate groups speak volumes. Being deliberately ignorant isn't an excuse.

Feel free to delve deeper. I make no bones about my disgust for social conservatives. Believe whatever you want but you put in my face or even worse, try to force it upon me by law and I will **** your world up by any means possible.

Tim Tebow is why homeschooling is never a good idear.

I did feel bad when some Samoans dumped tea and lemonade all over Tebow's Jeep Cherokee Laredo Chuck Norris Edition XLV

Hard to feel sorry for a guy making millions, as is Tebow, to play a game and play it badly behind center. Has he now become a joke, a punchline? Yes, and it's part his fault and part the media's fault. ESPN made him a hero and gave him a platform despite everyone knowing he was a lousy QB. The far right gave him an even loftier platform from which to proselytize. It's part his fault because he could have kept a lower profile and waited until he had actually proved something on the field on a consistent basis before publicly putting himself out there as a saint in religion and a savior on the field.

The Jets were dysfunctional enough without Tebow. If the team were winning, this would not even be an issue. Now that they are losing, the dysfunction is evident.

As for Armstrong, yeah, everyone cheated and we all know it. But now is the time to put your head down and shut up. You don't tweet pictures like that if you hope to have any legacy left whatsoever. Armstrong is just another name for hubris.

Looking at the title of this thread again, is it remotely possible that's exactly the response Tebow wanted when he agreed to go to the Jet's and not Jacksonville?

He had to know he'd be behind Sanchez and eventually this circus would manifest itself. There would be calls for him to start. All he does is win! And if there was player backlash he could play the "All I can do is to continue to be the the best teamate I can be and try and get better" card? Be the better person. A message like that finds an audience.

Remember, Jacksonville gave Denver a better offer. Elway actually asked Tebow where he wanted to go (if you believe Elway). Tebow asked Denver to take the Jets offer. Why?

If he goes to Jax he starts immediately, or shortly after that. He's frikkin' Tim Tebow playing football in Florida. But if he bombs where do you go from there? What's plan B?

All he would have to do is get down on one knee.

I've never had anything against Tim the person. I actually like him. How could you not like a clean cut kid like that? Good role model. Some of the displays are a little much for me, but it's been the constant fawning over him by the media that's always caused my eyes to roll.

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Originally posted by CALBuccaneer:
focus on his ACTIONS as a teammate, as a man, as a human being... what do you find bad about him?

I DO focus on his actions. It's you that is focusing on his spin, his PR, and his brand.

He was more than happy to help out, through lending his name and support with a Super Bowl ad, a hurtful group of people that are against women getting a legal medical procedure, are against anything and everything to do with homosexuals, they want to force children to learn about intelligent design, and I suggest you go read up about NARTH or "Day of Dialogue". James Dobson and his little group are terrible pieces of filth that wrap themselves in their own delusional interpretation of the bible that suits their bigotry and hate. And, Tebow proactively supports that group.

That's his ACTION as a man. His ACTION as a man is NOT "Saying the right things". His ACTION as a man is NOT being a good teammate. That is PR tripe. It's building his brand. His ACTION is supporting a hate group. A hate group that would probably hate you for your beliefs without even meeting you I might add.

I don't think you can have it both ways.

Tebow seems like a nice guy, but he never saw a camera he didn't like and fortunately (or unfortunately) the guy can't play QB in the pros.

I actually think he's gotten off easy compared to some other overhyped QBs in NFL history that flamed out (pick one, there are many of them), but he still gets a pass because of his persona and the whole Tebow image that the media helped to create.

Next..................

I am not asking anyone else to feel sorry for him, I just do. How much he makes has nothing to do with anything whatsoever...

He is being ripped by teammates...the same teammates he BEAT last year...for what? Has he played and led the Jets to 3-6? No,... that honor goes to Sanchez. Why are his teammates talking crap about TeBow? It does not make sense. It's cowardly and classless to do that, especially since it was done anonymously. I mean who does that these days and gets away with it?

Secondly, Ryan is using him as a punt blocker? Seriously, if that does not say F.U. to the owner who wanted TeBow, then I don't know what will...

Third, TeBow seems alone on an island on that team. No one,...not one teammate came to his defense...that's wrong too. I feel bad that someone who I believe is intrinsically good-hearted is catching unwarranted flak and being stabbed in the back. His reaction to that was what impressed me.

Yes, he is overexposed and we are sick of him because of ESPN. It's why I disliked him to begin with. But, he has won me over with his class and grace under adversity.

Now, Armstrong...I DON'T have one IOTA of sympathy for him. He is a cheater, a real arrogant bastard, was an unfaithful husband, is a narcicist, and he brought his own HELL upon himself. He made his own bed of thorns. A huge, huge difference between these two men.



CAPACKFAN95,

Forgive me but I don't believe for one minute that this is a constant ACT, something that TeBow is pretending to be but in reality is something else. Not one person has been able to dig up dirt on him or show something that suggests he is two-faced. He is his own guy,...

There are conservative or even far right groups that would LIKE to associate themselves with him or they prop him as an example of their values... well, that's not his fault.

And so he is against abortions. Big deal... so am I and half of the country.

And gays? What has HE said about them? I don't recall hearing anything from HIM that says he wants to hurt gays or women.

And this "group" you claim he belongs to,...if they hate me for having a different faith, well tell them to get in line. Muslims are the new Russians for the moment in America. There is so much distortion in the country right now, it is unbelievable.

No one has to feel sorry for TeBow. I just think if i were in his shoes, I would feel this criticism was a bit unfair and unwarranted. Almost forgot....
he gets voted as the MOST OVERRATED PLAYER in a POLL of NFL players...

Isn't this just piling on ...especially since he has not played?



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I BELIEVE IN TIM TEBOW
By Rick Reilly
ESPN.com
January 13, 2012

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I’ve come to believe in Tim Tebow, but not for what he does on a football field, which is still three parts Dr. Jekyll and two parts Mr. Hyde.

No, I’ve come to believe in Tim Tebow for what he does off a football field, which is represent the best parts of us, the parts I want to be and so rarely am.

Who among us is this selfless?

Every week, Tebow picks out someone who is suffering, or who is dying, or who is injured. He flies these people and their families to the Broncos game, rents them a car, puts them up in a nice hotel, buys them dinner (usually at a Dave & Buster’s), gets them and their families pregame passes, visits with them just before kickoff (!), gets them 30-yard-line tickets down low, visits with them after the game (sometimes for an hour), has them walk him to his car, and sends them off with a basket of gifts.

Home or road, win or lose, hero or goat.

Remember last week, when the world was pulling its hair out in the hour after Tebow had stunned the Pittsburgh Steelers with an 80-yard OT touchdown pass to Demaryius Thomas in the playoffs? And Twitter was exploding with 9,420 tweets about Tebow per second? When an ESPN poll was naming him the most popular athlete in America?

Tebow was spending that hour talking to 16-year-old Bailey Knaub about her 73 surgeries so far and what TV shows she likes.

For Tim Tebow’s take on being named America’s most popular athlete, click here.

“Here he’d just played the game of his life,” recalls Bailey’s mother, Kathy, of Loveland, Colo., “and the first thing he does after his press conference is come find Bailey and ask, ‘Did you get anything to eat?’ He acted like what he’d just done wasn’t anything, like it was all about Bailey.”

More than that, Tebow kept corralling people into the room for Bailey to meet. Hey, Demaryius, come in here a minute. Hey, Mr. Elway. Hey, Coach Fox.

Even though sometimes-fatal Wegener’s granulomatosis has left Bailey with only one lung, the attention took her breath away.

“It was the best day of my life,” she emailed. “It was a bright star among very gloomy and difficult days. Tim Tebow gave me the greatest gift I could ever imagine. He gave me the strength for the future. I know now that I can face any obstacle placed in front of me. Tim taught me to never give up because at the end of the day, today might seem bleak but it can’t rain forever and tomorrow is a new day, with new promises.”

I read that email to Tebow, and he was honestly floored.

“Why me? Why should I inspire her?” he said. “I just don’t feel, I don’t know, adequate. Really, hearing her story inspires me.”

It’s not just NFL defenses that get Tebowed. It’s high school girls who don’t know whether they’ll ever go to a prom. It’s adults who can hardly stand. It’s kids who will die soon.

For the game at Buffalo, it was Charlottesville, Va., blue-chip high school QB Jacob Rainey, who lost his leg after a freak tackle in a scrimmage. Tebow threw three interceptions in that Buffalo game and the Broncos were crushed 40-14.

“He walked in and took a big sigh and said, ‘Well, that didn’t go as planned,’” Rainey remembers. “Where I’m from, people wonder how sincere and genuine he is. But I think he’s the most genuine person I’ve ever met.”

There’s not an ounce of artifice or phoniness or Hollywood in this kid Tebow, and I’ve looked everywhere for it.

Take 9-year-old Zac Taylor, a child who lives in constant pain. Immediately after Tebow shocked the Chicago Bears with a 13-10 comeback win, Tebow spent an hour with Zac and his family. At one point, Zac, who has 10 doctors, asked Tebow whether he has a secret prayer for hospital visits. Tebow whispered it in his ear. And because Tebow still needed to be checked out by the Broncos’ team doctor, he took Zac in with him, but only after they had whispered it together.

And it’s not always kids. Tom Driscoll, a 55-year-old who is dying of brain cancer at a hospice in Denver, was Tebow’s guest for the Cincinnati game. “The doctors took some of my brain,” Driscoll says, “so my short-term memory is kind of shot. But that day I’ll never forget. Tim is such a good man.”

This whole thing makes no football sense, of course. Most NFL players hardly talk to teammates before a game, much less visit with the sick and dying.

Isn’t that a huge distraction?

“Just the opposite,” Tebow says. “It’s by far the best thing I do to get myself ready. Here you are, about to play a game that the world says is the most important thing in the world. Win and they praise you. Lose and they crush you. And here I have a chance to talk to the coolest, most courageous people. It puts it all into perspective. The game doesn’t really matter. I mean, I’ll give 100 percent of my heart to win it, but in the end, the thing I most want to do is not win championships or make a lot of money, it’s to invest in people’s lives, to make a difference.”

So that’s it. I’ve given up giving up on him. I’m a 100 percent believer. Not in his arm. Not in his skills. I believe in his heart, his there-will-definitely-be-a-pony-under-the-tree optimism, the way his love pours into people, right up to their eyeballs, until they believe they can master the hopeless comeback, too.

Remember the QB who lost his leg, Jacob Rainey? He got his prosthetic leg a few weeks ago, and he wants to play high school football next season. Yes, tackle football. He’d be the first to do that on an above-the-knee amputation.

Hmmm. Wonder where he got that crazy idea?

“Tim told me to keep fighting, no matter what,” Rainey says. “I am.”

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He is being ripped by teammates...the same teammates he BEAT last year...for what?

I'm not here to defend the jets but I'd guess it's because they're sick and tired of fielding questions about the guy every single day for the last four months. It's not right to rip the guy like that but if the questions are asked relentlessly it's only a matter of time until you catch someone in a bad mood who's tired of hearing about it. If anything I'm surprised it hasn't been worse.

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Secondly, Ryan is using him as a punt blocker? Seriously, if that does not say F.U. to the owner who wanted TeBow, then I don't know what will...

You need to unbunch your panties about this. When you punt as much as the Jets do this just keeps the defense honest, they never know when the Jets may fake it. Not to mention Timmy!!! has the perfect size and quickness for being the punter's wingman. Oh and he sure as hell can't play QB, so there's that too.

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Now, Armstrong...I DON'T have one IOTA of sympathy for him. He is a cheater, a real arrogant bastard, was an unfaithful husband, is a narcicist, and he brought his own HELL upon himself. He made his own bed of thorns. A huge, huge difference between these two men.

He's got this going for himself, at least he wasn't the head of a war or the CIA.

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Originally posted by CALBuccaneer:
He is being ripped by teammates...the same teammates he BEAT last year...for what? Has he played and led the Jets to 3-6? No,... that honor goes to Sanchez. Why are his teammates talking crap about TeBow? It does not make sense. It's cowardly and classless to do that, especially since it was done anonymously. I mean who does that these days and gets away with it?

Just so I'm clear on the position here...

Ripping on others or talking crap about them is cowardly and classless.

That's the position for why you feel sorry for Tebow. Others talked crap and ripped on him.

We have a foundational position. Good.

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I feel bad that someone who I believe is intrinsically good-hearted is catching unwarranted flak and being stabbed in the back.

Ok. More nuance to the position.

An otherwise "good person" is being attacked. That makes you feel bad.

We have some more meat as it were on your stance.

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Not one person has been able to dig up dirt on him or show something that suggests he is two-faced. He is his own guy,...

Him being his "own guy" means nothing. It's meaningless tripe to sound good. John Wayne Gacy was his own guy.

As for dirt, I don't know what your definition of dirt is. However, standing with a group that advocates hateful position vs women, gays, and laws of the land seems kinda "dirty" to me and my worldview.

Maybe in your world, a guy smoking weed is "dirt" and you thinking Tebow not engaging in that behavior (of course, you really don't know do you?) makes him rise above the fray.

Potaytoe/Potahtoe I guess?

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There are conservative or even far right groups that would LIKE to associate themselves with him or they prop him as an example of their values... well, that's not his fault.

Well, this is a bizarre statement on so many levels.

It's like saying "Hey, there are a whole bunch of hateful bigots that hate Muslims and would like to associate Terry Jones. It's not Terry Jones fault that he's a hateful bigot". Truly, this makes no sense to me whatsoever. Tebow associates with a hateful group. Others like that hateful group - so, it's not Tebow's fault that those hateful people like his association with a hateful group?

What is this, I don't even...

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And so he is against abortions. Big deal... so am I and half of the country.

Being against abortions is one thing. I will posit that you have little to no clue what James Dobson and his group actually does, or has done. Slushaming women and screaming at them and ripping on them and attacking them while they are going through a difficult issue is in fact a big deal.

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And gays? What has HE said about them? I don't recall hearing anything from HIM that says he wants to hurt gays or women.

You don't get it, do you? It's not what he and his PR firm crafts. It's not what he says. It's what he does. Actions. Not words. He lends his name and voice to a group that has as one of their main tenets to restrict rights from gays. A group that tries "praying the gay away". A group that terrorizes women getting a legal medical procedure. He endorses these things. He doesn't have to issue a press release.

Again, you clearly either have NO idea what Focus on the Family actually does, says, and supports, or you think it's A-OK to restrict the rights of US citizens based on who they sleep with or legal medical procedures they engage in.

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And this "group" you claim he belongs to,...if they hate me for having a different faith, well tell them to get in line. Muslims are the new Russians for the moment in America.

I don't even. What? Hey they hate muslims for their faith, so no big deal? What? Ripping on people and attacking people I thought was bad and those experiencing it were worthy of sympathy. Now? Meh, get in line!

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I just think if i were in his shoes, I would feel this criticism was a bit unfair and unwarranted.

An anonymous teammate saying (correctly) that Tim Tebow is terrible as a QB - unfair and unwarranted.

Trying to slutshame women for having a legal medical procedure - YAY!
Attacking gays and ensuring that their actual freaking RIGHTS are restricted - YAY!

No dirt there! Timmy Tebow isn't icky and smoke pot! Timmy doesn't get DUIs! He's awesome!

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I BELIEVE IN TIM TEBOW
By Rick Reilly

Rick Reilly? Really? Wow. Well, I guess if you want your meaningless tripe served on a silver platter, Rick's your guy.

Never mind that there are TON's of NFL players that help kids, donate time, donate money every single day. And, they don't have a PR firm writing articles about it.

Hey, if you want to praise feel sorry for Tebow, you can. It looks silly feeling bad because a teammate said he was terrible - yet ignoring that Tebow associates himself with a group of hateful pieces of human filth that actively try to hurt women and gays as their mission. It makes you look silly while you talk about lack of dirt, and ignore that he advertised for Focus on the Family.

Either you are ignorant about Focus on the Family or you align with their beliefs.

If its the former I suggest you read up on them and (hopefully) rethink your position.

If its the latter, well, that pretty much answers why you support Tebow.

Either way, he deserves no sympathy whatsoever because a teammate ripped him.

CalBuc,

Remember when I said deliberate ignorance isn't an excuse? That applies to you as well. I have full faith (love that word in the right context) you'll continue to be a simpleton, especially after you wanted us to focus on his ACTIONS. James Dobson seems to be right in your wheel house if only he wasn't an infidel. I especially liked how you tried to minimize the ACTIONS of Timmy lending his name to such utter filth. You are either a hypocrite or a moron as well. At this point, I'm going with hypocrite.

And you're making an even bigger fool of yourself arguing about Timmy the "football player". The poor superstar scrub.

Please continue on. The bloodbath will be a hoot.

edit: BLOODBATH ON!

CAPACKFAN95,

That was a rambling post at best.

Some points:

1. It is classless and cowardly to criticize someone on your OWN TEAM ANONYMOUSLY... Yes, that is my position. You differ in thought on that?!

2. Yes, a person who has not played but sparingly is being attacked when the reality is he has nothing to do with the Jets record this year.

3. Your attack is against Focus on Family and because TeBow did a commercial for them, you hate him. Okay fine. I grant you, I don't know much that FOF has done. Please enlighten me as to what crimes they have committed. How are they different from any Christian values group?

4. I am not sure that the group hates women...as Henry says, I am a simpleton and need enlightening.

5. BTW, who is TeBow's PR firm that you keep referring to?

6. I don't subscribe to the pray the gay away concept. I have some friends that are gay and prayer would not change them. Please don't make me a part of FOF because I admire TeBow's responses in face of adversity (as far as I can see).



Henry,

Last I checked, I did not have membership in Focus on Family, not that they would allow me in anyways since I am Muslim. Show me what that group has done to anyone other than espouse certain values (albeit good or bad) publicly. Have they committed a crime? Have they espoused hatred or simply said we are against certain things?

FOF seems like most Chrisitain values based groups.

Henry, I don't know you from Adam so I won't comment about you. But, clearly, you and I have different outlooks in life. You are brilliant and I am a simpleton. You hate religion and I am a practicing Muslim.

"Legal surgical procedure"... nice. Cant we term it more scientifically? How about- unborn human baby dismemberment and removal procedure?

My only issue is that he hasn't earned any respect, but he gets a lot of it from certain media members. Yeah, he led the Broncos to a playoff win, but his record as a starter was 8-5, with wins over unimpressive teams like the Raiders, Chiefs, Chargers, Dolphins, Bears (without Cutler and Forte), Jets, and Vikings. Those teams all drafted at the top half of the first round and not one was a playoff team. The Steelers game was awesome and I give Tebow full credit, but hard to hang your hat on 1 game. Also, the 2012 Broncos have shown that they had a pretty damn good team around Tebow, as shown by the Broncos being a legit Super Bowl contender after going from Tebow to Manning (with other changes being minimal).

And for the record, I feel the same way about Matt Ryan, although Ryan is admittedly a much better QB and proven more in the NFL, but to hear him mentioned as an elite QB, a potential MVP and as "Matty Ice" drives me crazy. Thing is, talking bad about "Matty Ice" doesn't elicit an emotional reaction from anyone. But talking bad about Tebow elicits passion that only religion and politics brings.

And more on the "Tebow is a winner" thing.....Vince Young was a winner his whole career (he has a 31-19 record as a starter and a national title in college), but if you talk bad about VY, no on cares. It's also ok that no one is giving VY a shot to start in the NFL despite his winning record. But Tebow? People flip if you say he's a crappy QB and demand he deserves to be a starting QB b/c his career record is 8-5 and he's a winner. Why is it so different for Tebow than VY?

Woo-hooooooooooooo, it's FRIDAY!!

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Originally posted by CALBuccaneer:
CAPACKFAN95's ramblings

FTFY

Is this where you high five?

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Originally posted by CALBuccaneer:
1. It is classless and cowardly to criticize someone on your OWN TEAM ANONYMOUSLY... Yes, that is my position. You differ in thought on that?!

I guess I'm saying that this would be #3,789 out of 3,780 things on the list of cowardly and classless things - that in the grand scheme of things is mice nuts at best.

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3. Your attack is against Focus on Family and because TeBow did a commercial for them, you hate him. Okay fine. I grant you, I don't know much that FOF has done. Please enlighten me as to what crimes they have committed. How are they different from any Christian values group?

I would suggest that you look into FoF before writing about how great of a MAN Tim Tebow is. This is about you defending his values and actions of a man.

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4. I am not sure that the group hates women...as Henry says, I am a simpleton and need enlightening.

Again, I suggest you read up on FoF. I am quite sure that this group hates women that don't fit into their narrow worldview. I am quite sure that screaming at, intimidating, and otherwise shaming a woman getting a legal medical procedure makes them scum. Don't like the law? Then how about focus on changing the law. Taking your disdain for the law out on the women getting this procedure is disgusting, it's lazy, and it's hateful.

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5. BTW, who is TeBow's PR firm that you keep referring to?

Beyond the funny and obvious "ESPN", he's a client of the William Morris Agency. That firm isn't only providing sports agent services, mind you.

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6. I don't subscribe to the pray the gay away concept. I have some friends that are gay and prayer would not change them. Please don't make me a part of FOF because I admire TeBow's responses in face of adversity (as far as I can see).

I would humbly ask you to ask your gay friends if praising a guy that lends his name and face to FoF is awesome.

Then again, I've never said you are part of FoF. My issue is with the words you use to describe the man. You talk about "class" "grace" "the world would be a much better place if there were more Tebows" "judging a man by his actions" "he is a good MAN by any standard" "Compare him and his approach and actions to ANYONE in sports or life, and he compares admirably."

I think it's incredibly shallow to ascribe these things to Tebow because he's "said the right things" about teammates statements about his play. Big Deal. He didn't take the bait and respond to silly claims in the NY Post. WOW! WHAT A GUY!

That does not make him a good man full of class and grace that compares admirably to anyone in sports of life because he cultivates his image by not responding to relatively silly minute things.

The true mark of a man is not how he cultivates his image in order to remain the poster boy of ESPN. The true mark of a man is who he stands with and what he stands for.

He stands with a hateful group of people that hate on women and gays.

My point to you is this - That is significantly more relevant to his true character and to the world than not getting into petty arguments about anonymous sources stating he's a horrible QB so he can have gullible people tout how classy is he my not responding.

As for your questioning what crimes FoF has committed - It doesn't have to be a crime to be dirt.

high five!

Used to despise...

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I Used To Despise TeBow
So I was never a fan of TeBow the football player or religious advocate. Because of this stuff and his rah-rah attitude at Florida, I was pulling against him. But, somewhere something changed. In Denver, he truly stunk as a QB and I figured he was grtting too much credit for what the Denver D was doing.

Now feel sorry for...

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Now I Feel Sorry For Him
But, the extent of the vitriol against him was ridiculous. People were taking needless potshots at the guy and now some of his teammates rip him for what? Hell, the Jets are playing so poorly and they rip a teammate who is NOT playing? Ridiculous...

To respecting...

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I respect him for the man he is and appreciate that.
I really like how he has approached life and adversity.

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I would humbly ask you to ask your gay friends if praising a guy that lends his name and face to FoF is awesome.

Theclassytonydungy does as well.

As for Tebow, don't forget that he's trademarked "Tebowing™".

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Originally posted by Music City:
"Legal surgical procedure"... nice. Cant we term it more scientifically? How about- unborn human baby dismemberment and removal procedure?

It's pro-business 'cause creating the Vacu-Vag creates jobs.

I don't think there are many people who actually like abortions, I know I don't, but it's not my place or decision to make that choice for someone else.

It's also kind of ironic how many want to protect every fetus then ignore them once they're actually born.

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Originally posted by Shoeless Joe:

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Secondly, Ryan is using him as a punt blocker? Seriously, if that does not say F.U. to the owner who wanted TeBow, then I don't know what will...

You need to unbunch your panties about this. When you punt as much as the Jets do this just keeps the defense honest, they never know when the Jets may fake it. Not to mention Timmy!!! has the perfect size and quickness for being the punter's wingman. Oh and he sure as hell can't play QB, so there's that too.

Tebow's getting some snaps doing something that actually contributes to the team possibly winning.

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Originally posted by CALBuccaneer:
He is being ripped by teammates...the same teammates he BEAT last year...for what? Has he played and led the Jets to 3-6? No,... that honor goes to Sanchez. Why are his teammates talking crap about TeBow? It does not make sense.

1. Because the hype is not equaled by talent. The guy throws like me and makes Phil Rivers look like Dan Marino.

2. They're also standing behind the QB who actually earned the starting job. As bad as Sancez is at times, he's better than Tebow and the coaches know that. The coaches want to win, need to win and they're going to play the guys who can best perform because they like having a job. Why is that so hard for people to understand.

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Originally posted by CALBuccaneer:



Henry,

Last I checked, I did not have membership in Focus on Family, not that they would allow me in anyways since I am Muslim. Show me what that group has done to anyone other than espouse certain values (albeit good or bad) publicly. Have they committed a crime? Have they espoused hatred or simply said we are against certain things?

FOF seems like most Chrisitain values based groups.

Henry, I don't know you from Adam so I won't comment about you. But, clearly, you and I have different outlooks in life. You are brilliant and I am a simpleton. You hate religion and I am a practicing Muslim.

I think religion is great if it makes you a better person. Almost my entire family is evangelical catholics and they do wonderful things for people and hold completely different opinions from me. They go about their lives educating and doing good deeds but ultimately their faith is theirs. They will tell you if you ask, they don't go out on political jihad with hate at the forefront of their "proselytizing" and they certainly don't agree with POS groups like FoF. I'm sure there are millions if not billions of Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc. that live the exact same way.

FOF is anything but and like you said, not much different than other christian "values" groups who try to impose their beliefs, much like radical Islamist groups imposing their will on their cultures. They are exactly the same to me.

So, in the light of that knowledge don't be so surprised when you lightly push aside Timmy and his connection with the Murican Taliban only to have my ilk up in your face.

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Originally posted by Music City:
"Legal surgical procedure"... nice. Cant we term it more scientifically? How about- unborn human baby dismemberment and removal procedure?

Sure.

Don't be a pussy about it. Let's also get literal about words like "collateral damage".

This game is fun.

Henry,

Nice family...what happened to you??!

As you stated, most Muslims live their lives according to the confines of Islam and they don't preach it or impose it on others unless asked about it. How many times have I come on here and asked anyone to convert? You don't gave to... You let your actions and words set the example for you, right?

Islam works great for me and my family. So, obviously, I am not a far right Evangelical Christian nut...and certainly I don't belong to the cult following TeBow has in terms of the media and some in the public. But, that does not mean he cannot earn my respect for all the outward actions I can see of him. I can respect his actions OFF the football field even if his play ON the field stinks. They are two very different things.

All this talk of FOF. You and especially CAPACKFAN are the two that have accused this group of certain things. Please list links supporting what you accuse them of. CAPACKFAN says they have not broken any laws...yet he justifies abortion as a "legal procedure". So, what is it going to be guys? You yourself (CAPAC) said just because there is no "crime", it does not make it right. The same can be said o abortion, no?

Anyways, if the group FOF were so bad that they espoused hatred of women and gays, why hasn't the press (or some pro-gay organization) come down on them or TeBow for associating with them?

Their website does not have anything crazy bad on it.

you know what would be great for this convesation?

PM.

Hash it out there.