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I know I’ve seen Rex Ryan’s name thrown around here and elsewhere as the dream DC candidate for the Packers, and rightfully so. The guy has enough blemishes on his head coaching resume to warrant its own thread, but no one can deny that he can run one hell of a defense.

 

I was reading a little bit more on him and his scheme, and I think there is one key principle that could help the Pack moving forward. Ryan’s 3-4 is often known as an “attack 3-4,” and that starts with his DLinemen. We’ve talked about Capers wanting his DL eating space, grabbing guards and keeping LBs free, but Ryan’s defense lets them penetrate and make plays.

 

Doesn’t that sound like a task that Daniels, Worthy, Raji and Jones are better suited for? Maybe even a guy like Neal finds new life as a DL playing to his strength coming out of college.

 

And while a complete overhaul in philosophy sounds like a major shakeup, it’s worked out alright for the Chiefs. Ryan’s former DL coach, Bob Sutton, brought this one-gap attack style to KC that had been running Romeo’s version of the 3-4 that used a Capers-esque two-gap, tie-up blockers approach to its DL. After one offseason install, Kansas City was on pace to set historic marks on D through the first half of the season.

 

GB’s D line is too often criticized unfairly for their lack of football card stats. They’re simply not asked to get after QBs and RBs. Here are the stat lines of the three primary DL for GB, NY and KC:

 

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NameTotalOverallRun Def.Pass RushQB SkQB HtQB HuBPTksStops
          
 B.J. Raji428-7-3.5-6.102701312
 Ryan Pickett3372.93.5-200421311
 Johnny Jolly219-4.9-3-3.3013087
TOTAL -9-3-11.4031423430
           
 Dontari Poe73516.810.82.7512133229
 Tyson Jackson36410.19.5-0.820732014
 Mike Devito32514.416-2.601100149
TOTAL 41.336.3-0.7723866652
           
 Muhammad Wilkerson73321.3159.81082012830
 Sheldon Richardson6292122-2.2431613933
 Damon Harrison35127.229.2-3.310502927
TOTAL 69.566.24.315114129690
          
           

 

I know the PFF grades are subjective, but the pressure and tackle stats are black and white. To be fair, the NY and KC lines have seen significantly more snaps, but the numbers speak loud and clear - defensive lineman can have a very active role in a 3-4 defense in spite of what we’ve come to know from Dom’s system. And that’s not to say one is necessarily better than the other – though Dom’s 2-gap does seem to be dying off in the league – but it definitely feels like an attacking 1-gap style would better suit the DL talent on this team. It wouldn’t help the arena league talent at Safety, and would probably expose our smaller ILBs once they’re actually supposed to take on blockers, but I’d love to see some of these penetrating DL let loose.

 

It doesn’t have to be Rex or one of his disciples. Wade Phillips runs a similar scheme in Houston, the league’s #1 D, and he’s likely to be on the street with Kubiak in six weeks. Maybe one of the assistants currently on staff could even lead the changeover. Unfortunately, I think Dom’s too old of a dog to learn new tricks at this point and it would likely require a change.

 

My coaching and playing experience starts and ends with Madden, so I’m curios to hear from some of the minds more versed in Xs and Os on here.

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In one thread or another somebody talked about the need for a playmaker at ILB in a Capers 3-4 defense. With the idea that the DL eats up the blockers and your ILBs make the plays. I've been thinking about that and I wonder how much just upgrading that position would help the defense overall.

 

Preventing things like Toby Gerhart running for 12, 11 and 12 yards on consecutive plays in overtime. Covering RBs coming out of the backfield, TEs in the middle of the field and rushing the QB with some A gap blitzes...all things that the Packers have had problems with.

 

We've been surprised at how a 2nd and 3rd stringer like Bishop and Lattimore can come in and make some impact plays. But if the DL keeps the blockers off of him and all he has to do is go hit the guy with the ball and make some game changing plays...it seems to me that ILB could be one of the more important positions on this type of defense.

 

God bless AJ Hawk for being available every week but running down plays and making tackles 7 yards downfield is the opposite of what a Capers style defense needs from its ILB.

Well, someone on the D other than CMIII needs to do some attacking somewhere. Capers' scheme calls for the Dlinemen to eat up space and blockers so the LBs can make plays, but that makes the linemen more passive. Who wants the job of just being a wall? Where's our strength: ILBs or Dline? IMHO it's the Dline. Raji, when he is turned loose can be a beast as can Daniels, and Datone is coming on. So, move to a 4-3 at times and turn them loose. Neal can also float and be a rush LB or DE. Note to Capers: just quit being so passive. And that zone you like to call on third-and-long has more holes than a Wisconsin Swiss cheese wheel.

wasn't there a D-linemen that recently broke through the line and either tackled the RB for a loss or sacked the QB yet got a negative grade because he did not do what he was supposed to be doing?

Originally Posted by Fandame:

 So, move to a 4-3 at times and turn them loose. 

I don't think that's the answer. They wouldn't have a traditional edge rusher for a 4-3, and you take one of the best defensive players in the league out of the position he's excelled in. That's why a one-gap 3-4 could be the solution as it would still turn the big boys loose.

It's kind of a toss-up. An attacking 3-4 requires better/more versatile linemen while a space-eating 3-4 requires better ILBs. Neither are a particular strength for GB right now, though if Jones stays at DE, draft another and keep Raji they could be.

 

Pittsburgh basically always has stud linebackers and the scheme works fine for them.

Scheme is not the problem. Raji gets pushed around like a rag doll. Did you see today how often Neal and Perry were pushed or sucked out of position?  Pickett is slow and none of the DEs can hold their position or shed a block. The ILBs are too small to play inside. And no one on the team seems able to react to a play as it unfolds. All except CMIII react a second too late. The CBs can't tackle and the safeties continually run into the CBs on crosses, are late to fill the middle, and rarely help out high on the sideline. None of this is scheme. Maybe the injuries have just taken their toll. Being hurt makes you weak and slow. But most of this has been a recurrent problem for years. Collins is gone. Woodson is gone. CMIII has one good hand. And AR12 can't play defense.
Originally Posted by michiganjoe:

Probably more an issue with predictability on the part of Capers than the scheme itself. He appears to just have his guys line up and play and the offenses have figured it out. 

Yeah. The other team can predict that they can push the DL out of position or into the LBs. And they can predict that any DL--even Jolly, Pickett, or Raji--can be blocked by one OL (or even a TE) to free up the others to pancake anyone from the back 8.They can predict that the safeties will run into the CBs on crossing routes and will be too stupid to shift from zone to man-to-man when signalled to do so. They can predict that the ILBs will be swallowed up by OLs because the DLs will get pushed back 3 steps. They can predict that if they let the OLBs inside they can block them out and the RB can beat the S or CB for a good gain. They can predict that Neal, Perry, and Mulumba will either not drop back in coverage, or if they do they will play like tree stumps, so slants will work all day. They can predict that if Jennings or Burnett move into the box to cover the run, they will fill the wrong slot and a huge gaping hole will result. They can predict that if Jennings or Burnett stay deep, they will stay too deep and will freeze like deer caught in headlights when any WR, RB or TE runs in the middle. They can predict that Hawk and Jones will live up to the old slogan, "Yeah. They're small. But they're slow." 

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