It is time for the annual Webathon!

BorisPerson Man Camera Dildo Shop - NFLFU®

Since I'm going to have some free time for about a week or so, should we fire up the annual Webathon

I've come to the conclusion that copyright infringement could definitely be a downfall of X4 on the open forum. It's certainly obvious, when the editor of jsonline.com e-mails me in JULY, that we are being watched.

To help quell this potential tsunami, I'm going to create a Premium forum. In this forum we will be allowed to post Premium articles from the other Packer websites and discuss them without fear of repercussion. Everyone will be able to see the link to the forum but only specific members will have access. No guests.

So FRZ, How do I get access to the Premium forum

You simply donate at least $5 a year to the up-keep of X4. Think about that. That's just over 1 penny a day.

Hey justanotherpackerfan, yeah it's time to donate.

The current Packer forum will stay status quo and I'm guessing we will use the open forum for most of our conversations.

I'm currently working on creating the forum today and will be adding some of you that have already donated. In the unlikely event that I missed someone that has donated, please send me a PM and I'll gladly add you.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns. Thanks and enjoy the forums everyone.

8/3/064:37 PM

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CS PackMember

What about adding Politics to the Premium forum?

8/3/064:40 PM

justanotherpackerfanMember

Hey, no sarcasm needed, that's exactly what I need....I need to be told to do stuff.

Since, we just had a little bout of ID theft with a paypal credit card, I am a little leary though....would a check be OK?

And if so, could you PM me an address and what name to put on the check (I know mine goes on the bottom, its the one on the top I'm not sure of).

Thanks

8/3/064:41 PM

IowacheeseKeen Insight

quote:
Originally posted by justanotherpackerfan:
Hey, no sarcasm needed, that's exactly what I need....I need to be told to do stuff.

Since, we just had a little bout of ID theft with a paypal credit card, I am a little leary though....would a check be OK?

And if so, could you PM me an address and what name to put on the check (I know mine goes on the bottom, its the one on the top I'm not sure of).

Thanks

I am with JAPF on this. Not a big fan of Pay Pal. Can you post an address or Pm it to me.....thanks

8/3/064:43 PM

DurangoDougMember

Some little weasel at JSO will probably pay the $5 just to get good material for their articles. He'll surely squeel like a stuck pig to his editor to get a raise.

Hope it works though, I'll be fessing up some duckets in the near future.

8/3/064:48 PM

H5Keyboard Warrior, troll hunter

PM me an address and name and I'll send it on...

8/3/064:51 PM

BorisPerson Man Camera Dildo Shop - NFLFU®

Ladies/Gents:

I have some personal business to attend to. I'll create the forum now but if you're not allowed in please be patient I'll have you in by tonight.

8/3/065:43 PM

squirrelpeeMember

I am not a fan of Pay Pal either. Can I get the address for sending the donation?

8/3/065:57 PM

heywardKaty Perry is bouncy

Why isn't this still copyright infringement?

8/3/066:15 PM

justanotherpackerfanMember

I had the same question, heyward. My guess is that some of the money paid to become a premium member will go to said copywrit sites....though I don't really know and I don't know what the cost would be.

8/3/066:21 PM

FinnLanderMember

You've been PayPal'd by FinnLander (London Lane, Endicott, NY).

Thanks for all you do!

8/3/066:33 PM

MVPMember

I wired some your way FRZ....

Thanks

8/3/067:07 PM

BenzeneMember

How much lint is worth $5?

8/3/067:16 PM

BorisPerson Man Camera Dildo Shop - NFLFU®

quote:
Originally posted by Benzene:
How much lint is worth $5?

C'mon "DB Cooper" cough up some cash!

I forgot to mention, Donations are never required for this forum. Enjoy!

8/3/067:18 PM

BenzeneMember

DB Cooper? I don't know what you are talking about, that's certainly not me.

8/3/067:28 PM

BorisPerson Man Camera Dildo Shop - NFLFU®

quote:
Originally posted by heyward:
Why isn't this still copyright infringement?

Because I'm not allowing the general public to see that forum. It is a private forum.

8/3/068:01 PM

LegendMember

I think JSO would frown even more upon you charging members to access their articles. I think you can only charge for product that is your own.

Creating a premium forum is up to you, but the answer to possible copyright infringement is having moderators promptly removing offending items as soon as it is detected. Without knowing for sure, my guess is that JSO would not seek to shut down Timesfour so long as you and the moderators take care of it consistently and promptly.

[EDIT: IIRC, Scoop had conversations with JSO more than once, and they were always ok with things so long as copyrighted material was properly removed. Maybe ask Scoop about this.]

8/3/068:36 PM

BorisPerson Man Camera Dildo Shop - NFLFU®

quote:
Originally posted by Legend:
I think JSO would frown even more upon you charging members to access their articles. I think you can only charge for product that is your own.

Who says I'm putting their articles in that forum?

They have no clue about what goes on in that forum. It's locked down away from the general public's eyes.

quote:
Originally posted by Legend:
Creating a premium forum is up to you, but the answer to possible copyright infringement is having moderators promptly removing offending items as soon as it is detected. Without knowing for sure, my guess is that JSO would not seek to shut down Timesfour so long as you and the moderators take care of it consistently and promptly.

[EDIT: IIRC, Scoop had conversations with JSO more than once, and they were always ok with things so long as copyrighted material was properly removed. Maybe ask Scoop about this.]

Of course not, they are using all of Benzene's posts for their content.

(just kidding)

This is the equivalent of me purchasing Packer Insider and allowing you to sit down next to me with a beer & read over my shoulder. Is that copyright infringement? nope.

This also makes it more than clear about not posting that content on the open forum. A snippet here and there with a link to join the Packer Insider is fine. AAMOF, I'm sure jsonline would encourage that. Just don't copy/paste the entire article.

8/3/069:00 PM

BenzeneMember

quote:
Of course not, they are using all of Benzene's posts for their content.

Those %^*#&! The jokes on them though, this explains why their popularity has decreased over the years.

8/3/069:07 PM

ToonerMember

What if I save you $5 on Packer tickets?

8/3/069:19 PM

BorisPerson Man Camera Dildo Shop - NFLFU®

If you have sent me a check via regular mail, please pm me and let me know. I think I got everyone but I don't want to miss anybody.

If you use Paypal, I got you.

8/3/069:40 PM

BenzeneMember

Ok FRZ, I sent you you're dang money. Now stop calling me!!!

8/3/0610:00 PM

BorisPerson Man Camera Dildo Shop - NFLFU®

quote:
Originally posted by Benzene:
Ok FRZ, I sent you you're dang money. Now stop calling me!!!

Stop calling you what? "DB Cooper"

8/3/0610:10 PM

DurangoDougMember

I guess I'm a bit obtuse.

If a little weasel at JSO pays his measly $5 and sees a copyrighted article in the "private" forum, then squeels like a silly 12 year girl old to his editor, whats the difference. I mean really, you know the squirly little weasels are lurking here, whats to stop one of the pissants from ponying up $5 to check it out, and then tattle. They do, after all, have no shame. Anything for a raise or promotion from the big chief editor. "Hey boss, guess what I saw at X4 in the private zone, its shocking and disgusting I tell you, its scandalous among many other reprehensible things. You just gotta check it out Boss"

Maybe I'm missing something here, but I dont know how this effectively solves the problem. If there was a problem to begin with. A snippet and link with credibility to the author was always fine before. Just not the whole enchilada. But again, I may be a bit obtuse on all this.

Regardless, every year I pay some dues for the vast enjoyment this forum brings me. What I pay in no way comes close to the amount of pleasure I get here (of course I have no life). It may take a couple days, but it will be on its way. Thats with or without a private forum.

8/3/0610:58 PM

gbfanlaMember

Hello all. Well I used paypal FRZ and while its not much I sent a little.

Football season even pre-season cant start soon enough for me.

I agree with Durango.

While I may not say much I get a lot of enjoyment from the site during the season.

And being that unless the Pack really kicks some butt the on tv games will be fewer.Thats where the chat room comes in.

All the oh no no or yes yes and then the what the beep beeb beeeeeeb.Gives me that needed info on the game.

All that and the PACK.Yep just like being back in Milwaukee watching the game with the family.

8/4/062:25 AM

blue58Member

Hey guys, I'm enjoying it and everything, but please stop bringing your stolen property over to my house. That's theft and it's just wrong.

But I got this idea see, everybody chip in a few bucks and I'll rent a storage unit, we can put it all in there. No one will ever figure that out (unless someone blabs it before I even start giving out the keys). And lets not quibble about whether it's right or wrong, no big deal since we can't be caught doing it...brilliant!!

8/4/066:03 AM

Chuck CecilMember

quote:
Originally posted by blue58:
Hey guys, I'm enjoying it and everything, but please stop bringing your stolen property over to my house. That's theft and it's just wrong.

But I got this idea see, everybody chip in a few bucks and I'll rent a storage unit, we can put it all in there. No one will ever figure that out (unless someone blabs it before I even start giving out the keys). And lets not quibble about whether it's right or wrong, no big deal since we can't be caught doing it...brilliant!!

Self-imposed exile has really suited you. You're doing an excellent job of staying away. Keep up the good work.

8/4/067:13 AM

LegendMember

quote:
Originally posted by FRZ:
quote:
Originally posted by Legend:
I think JSO would frown even more upon you charging members to access their articles. I think you can only charge for product that is your own.

Who says I'm putting their articles in that forum?

They have no clue about what goes on in that forum. It's locked down away from the general public's eyes.

As Durango Doug pointed out, any JSO employee could already be a member here and could conceivably gain access to this "private" forum. If JSO monitors this forum (which scoop previously said that they do), then they are aware of this thread and have a watchful eye on what is conducted here.

quote:
Originally posted by FRZ:
This is the equivalent of me purchasing Packer Insider and allowing you to sit down next to me with a beer & read over my shoulder. Is that copyright infringement? nope.

This also makes it more than clear about not posting that content on the open forum. A snippet here and there with a link to join the Packer Insider is fine. AAMOF, I'm sure jsonline would encourage that. Just don't copy/paste the entire article.

Since all of their premium content is by subscription only, my guess is that JSO would not want even snippets of their articles to be posted unless you have their permission to do so. As far as your analogy of having this premium forum be the equivalent of reading over your shoulder, I think a far better analogy would be you getting NFL Sunday Ticket (premium pay-for content), and then charging bar patrons (forum members) $5 each to watch the games at the bar (forum) outside Direct TV's headquarters (close enough that they have their eye on it).

Additionally, I think JSO would take exception to you or the moderators passively allowing their premium content to be posted without permission. IMHO, JSO would leave this forum alone so long as you and the moderators actively enforce JSO's copyright, no matter where it is posted here.

I am not trying to be a stick-in-the-mud. I just want this forum to be available for all of us for years to come.

8/4/067:15 AM

BorisPerson Man Camera Dildo Shop - NFLFU®

quote:
Originally posted by Legend:
quote:
Originally posted by FRZ:
quote:
Originally posted by Legend:
I think JSO would frown even more upon you charging members to access their articles. I think you can only charge for product that is your own.

Who says I'm putting their articles in that forum?

They have no clue about what goes on in that forum. It's locked down away from the general public's eyes.

As Durango Doug pointed out, any JSO employee could already be a member here and could conceivably gain access to this "private" forum. If JSO monitors this forum (which scoop previously said that they do), then they are aware of this thread and have a watchful eye on what is conducted here.

quote:
Originally posted by FRZ:
This is the equivalent of me purchasing Packer Insider and allowing you to sit down next to me with a beer & read over my shoulder. Is that copyright infringement? nope.

This also makes it more than clear about not posting that content on the open forum. A snippet here and there with a link to join the Packer Insider is fine. AAMOF, I'm sure jsonline would encourage that. Just don't copy/paste the entire article.
Since all of their premium content is by subscription only, my guess is that JSO would not want even snippets of their articles to be posted unless you have their permission to do so. As far as your analogy of having this premium forum be the equivalent of reading over your shoulder, I think a far better analogy would be you getting NFL Sunday Ticket (premium pay-for content), and then charging bar patrons (forum members) $5 each to watch the games at the bar (forum) outside Direct TV's headquarters (close enough that they have their eye on it).

Who's to say the $5 being charged isn't for live entertainment after the games are over? FYI, when you have NFL Sunday ticket at a bar you pay a premium price.

I disagree with this analogy. Maybe a better analogy would be I have NFL Sunday Ticket at my house and I charge you $5 to come over and watch the games. Of course, the free beer & brats I provide have nothing to do with the $5 surcharge.

quote:
Originally posted by Legend:
Additionally, I think JSO would take exception to you or the moderators passively allowing their premium content to be posted without permission. IMHO, JSO would leave this forum alone so long as you and the moderators actively enforce JSO's copyright, no matter where it is posted here.

I am not trying to be a stick-in-the-mud. I just want this forum to be available for all of us for years to come.

Ok, JSO is not the end all be all of premium content on the net. The money being donated is used to pay for this website NOT be a duplicate jsonline.com. While I'm certain SOME of the articles will be discussed in the premium forum, I guarantee it will not be all of them.

Jsonline obviously wants people to pay for their content. The only way to get people interested is to give them a teaser (or snippet) from the article with a link back to it. This site (and other sites who operate that way) is basically promoting Jsonline (at no charge to Jsonline I might add) in that way.

It's definitely a tightrope walking act but one I think both parties are ok with. Until I hear differently, I don't see an issue with this.

8/4/067:49 AM

MN SnowBongMember

quote:
Originally posted by blue58:
Hey guys, I'm enjoying it and everything, but please stop bringing your stolen property over to my house. That's theft and it's just wrong.

But I got this idea see, everybody chip in a few bucks and I'll rent a storage unit, we can put it all in there. No one will ever figure that out (unless someone blabs it before I even start giving out the keys). And lets not quibble about whether it's right or wrong, no big deal since we can't be caught doing it...brilliant!!

ROFL...now, aren't you glad nobody really pays attention to your posts?

If they did, you'd be banned (twice), like you asked, and you wouldn't be able to put up this meaningless crap.

I know...you can't help yourself. Poor thing.

8/4/067:49 AM

Shoeless JoeMember

quote:
Originally posted by blue58:

Did somebody say something?! Oh that's right, I have my Moron Filter engaged...

Hey FRZ, PM me your snail-mail address and I'll get a check sent out.

8/4/068:25 AM

MaxMember

I tend to agree with Legend.

In any case, I kicked in my $$ because I spend way too much time here and figure I owe it to x4. I wouldn't care about the JSOnline's premium content if it were free and delivered to my bathroom door each morning.

8/4/068:48 AM

edgefourMember

quote:
Originally posted by Max:
I tend to agree with Legend.

In any case, I kicked in my $$ because I spend way too much time here and figure I owe it to x4. I wouldn't care about the JSOnline's premium content if it were free and delivered to my bathroom door each morning.

Agree on all points.

JSO content is not worth getting in trouble over.

8/4/068:51 AM

squirrelpeeMember

quote:
Originally posted by Benzene:
quote:
Of course not, they are using all of Benzene's posts for their content.

Those %^*#&! The jokes on them though, this explains why their popularity has decreased over the years.

And you would think by now they would have learned their lesson. Wasn't it you who got their forum shut down several years ago?

8/4/069:25 AM

squirrelpeeMember

Ok I am a little confused (nothing new I know)

But is JS ticked off because of people posting premium articles in full or taking articles in general from their site?

I understand them getting ticked about the pay sites (which I do not subscribe to so that leaves me out from posting those articles, so there goalline

) But the other stuff should be fair game. There are people who check into here while at work {gasp!!! can you believe that?} and their company may have a firewall that would prevent them from accessing the link.

Whatever. The check is in the mail.

8/4/069:31 AM

justanotherpackerfanMember

quote:
Originally posted by squirrelpee:
quote:
Originally posted by Benzene:
quote:
Of course not, they are using all of Benzene's posts for their content.

Those %^*#&! The jokes on them though, this explains why their popularity has decreased over the years.

And you would think by now they would have learned their lesson. Wasn't it you who got their forum shut down several years ago?

Tinman

8/4/069:32 AM

MaxMember

quote:
Originally posted by squirrelpee:
I understand them getting ticked about the pay sites (which I do not subscribe to so that leaves me out from posting those articles, so there goalline ) But the other stuff should be fair game. There are people who check into here while at work {gasp!!! can you believe that?} and their company may have a firewall that would prevent them from accessing the link.

That's not JSOnline's problem. If your company has a firewall that prevents you from going to JSOnline, you're certainly not entitled to read that content elsewhere besides JSOnline.com. Really, it's simple: if you're going to read their full content, free or pay, they want you to go to their side. Increase their visits and page views, see their advertisers, and increase their traffic. That's how they set their ad rates, that's how they keep track of hits, page views, etc. If people are viewing their entire content without actually going to their web site, JSOnline will get heat from their bosses, they'll get heat from their advertisers -- it only makes sense. They are no different from any web site in this respect.

8/4/0610:16 AM

cavMember

To echo some of the other thoughts here, be very careful with this.

8/4/0610:53 AM

squirrelpeeMember

quote:
Originally posted by justanotherpackerfan:
quote:
Originally posted by squirrelpee:
quote:
Originally posted by Benzene:
quote:
Of course not, they are using all of Benzene's posts for their content.

Those %^*#&! The jokes on them though, this explains why their popularity has decreased over the years.

And you would think by now they would have learned their lesson. Wasn't it you who got their forum shut down several years ago?

Tinman

Benzene was the Tinman?