@ilcuqui posted:He always struck me as athlete first, football player second… slow to diagnose.
No wonder Gute grabbed him.
@mrtundra posted:Next week is our Bye week. Maybe give an extended break to some of players who are hurting? Have them then ready to play the Bears, after the Bye. I'd have no problem resting Love and starting Willis. Maybe rest Williams so as to not aggravate his injury? Same with Jaire.
Every player that is able to play this week will play.
That is all...
@Fandame posted:I tore a groin muscle in college throwing javelin. When it went, someone nearby asked if I had torn my shorts it was so loud. I walked with a limp and couldn't use my leg to walk up a curb or step. Rehab at that time was a lot of ice/heat combo, ibuprofen, gentle movement, and very gentle stretching. I still had the state meet to go in a week, so I spent a lot of time rehabbing. They wrapped it tight the day of the meet, the trainer said, "Make your first throw count cuz that's all you're going to get," and I walked off with a sixth place. When it healed, I had a lump the size of a handball in that area. That went down to a tip of a little finger after a summer of riding horses when I worked on a horse farm as the muscle was constantly stretching. Later, when I played goalie in ice hockey, I wore compression shorts, neoprene sleeve, and stretched carefully on it to keep it from pulling again.
Overall, it's not a fun injury and I'd be in favor of letting Love rest it this week. I'm not sure at this point in the season if we could beat the Lions without everyone being at full strength, so I'm for patience.
Groin could mean different injuries. I don't know if we're speaking of the same thing but I slightly tore my hip flexor this spring and it still hasn't healed. FYI, the hip flexor is a bit of a misnomer for laypeople because it really is in the groin region. It's a B to get it to heal because it's used for so many different movements, ones you have no idea of until you injure it. Had to stop running, couldn't roll over in bed, painful standing up from sitting position, etc.
Anyway, wah wah wah from a middle aged man. Groin injuries are tough to get through for anyone.
I know right. You don't rest players when facing a Division opponent, period. Perhaps, maybe if we were playing a 1 or 2 win team, but NOT against a Division opponent.
@PackerHawk posted:Every player that is able to play this week will play.
That is all...
Exactly. I have faith in the usually-conservative medical team that they won't put anyone out there that isn't medically able to play and unlikely to hurt themselves any more.
I see a lot of people giving this game up and saying everyone should rest. Screw that. Packers are playing for first place in their home; you just don't concede that. Nobody is unbeatable in the NFL.
I'm driving 8+ hours to the game with a group of Packers fans from Michigan who have never been to Lambeau. We are treating this like a pilgrimage to Mecca. I want to show them a good time and I want the Packers to fight like hell with everyone who is able.
Detroit police investigate why Lions WR Jameson Williams avoided arrest after gun found in car
Chief White 'very unhappy' over what body cam reveals, orders probe of stop
DETROIT (WXYZ) — Two weeks before he was suspended for violating the NFL’s performance-enhancing drug policy, Detroit Lions wide receiver Jameson Williams was nearly arrested by Detroit police over a gun found in a vehicle.
Now, as a result of questions by 7 News Detroit, the department is investigating why Williams was released from custody after officers planned to take him to jail.
The star wide receiver came into contact with police after midnight on Oct. 8 when police pulled over a vehicle being driven by Williams' brother near the corner of Connor and Jefferson Avenue. The vehicle was stopped, police say, for speeding.
When questioned by an officer, Williams’ brother disclosed that there were two guns in the car: the first laid in the back seat while the second, according to police, was under Williams’ seat.
Officers found that the gun in the backseat was registered to Williams brother who had a concealed pistol license, or CPL.
While the gun under Williams’ seat was registered to him, he did not possess a CPL.
The officer concluded that was a problem, and told Williams he was going to be taken into custody for carrying a concealed weapon.
It is clear from body camera footage that the officer does not know who Williams is. But repeatedly, the wide receiver would remind him.
“I play for the Lions, bro. I’m Jameson Williams,” he said at one point.
Minutes later, he said: “Bro, I play for the Detroit Lions.”
Minutes after that, he said once more: “Bro, I play for the Lions!”
The officer told Williams that his position did not influence whether he would be arrested.
At one point during the stop, Williams’ brother told police that the gun belongs to him. But later on, Williams would admit the gun was his.
“I got the gun for protection,” Williams said. “Do you guys know where I live at? Detroit!”
Williams was handcuffed and placed in the back of the squad car. In an interview on Monday, Detroit Police Commander Michael McGinnis supported the officer’s actions.
“I feel that there was probable cause to arrest, and he was under arrest by the patrol officer,” McGinnis said. “And because of that, he should have been conveyed to the Detroit Detention Center and processed."
But Williams wasn’t taken to jail. Instead, a supervisor was called to the scene. The department says that’s not unusual for a high-profile stop, and is a precaution to make sure that policy is followed in cases that could create media coverage.
Within a few minutes, a sergeant arrived on the scene.
Unlike the responding officers, the sergeant was a Lions fan and immediately recognizes Williams' name. Body camera footage also showed that the sergeant’s cellphone wallpaper was the Lions logo.
Over the next 30 minutes, the sergeant would make a series of phone calls to higher-ranking officials, trying to determine if Williams needed to be arrested or if the driver’s CPL covered both his and Wiliams’ gun.
At one point, the sergeant is seen leaning in to one of the arresting officers, whispering: “I’m so mad at you two.”
Commander McGinnis, who reviewed the body camera footage, said he believed the sergeant was referring to both arresting officers “in a jovial way.”
After conferring with multiple supervisors, the sergeant makes two more phone calls, and it appears Williams is about to be taken to jail.
“Be advised, he’s coming in. You might want to make special accommodations,” the sergeant says in one phone call.
“He’s gonna be going for carrying a concealed weapon,” he says in another.
But minutes later, everything seemingly changed. The sergeant spoke to a lieutenant who said Williams should be released from custody. The lieutenant’s side of the conversation cannot be heard.
“Okay. Beautiful. I’m good to let him go?” the sergeant asks before hanging up. “You’re a (expletive) hero. Thank you so much.”
Williams would be taken out of handcuffs, his gun was returned, a police report was not written and no warrant request was submitted.
Prompted by questions from 7 News Detroit, Detroit police launched an internal affairs investigation into the stop and the decision not to arrest the Lions wide receiver.
“(Chief James White) was very unhappy about the totality of the circumstances here. Even to go so far as to say he was pissed off,” Commander McGinnis said.
Late last week, DPD submitted a warrant request to the Wayne County Prosecutor’s Office. Williams is facing a charge of carrying a concealed weapon in a motor vehicle.
“I want to know if the fact that this individual was a Detroit Lions player, did that play a factor in the decision making?” McGinnis asked.
7 News Detroit first raised questions about the traffic stop earlier this month. At the time, a deputy chief told 7 Investigator Ross Jones that there was only one gun found in the car; he made no mention of a second gun under Williams’ seat.
Once Chief James White learned about the second gun, he agreed to share portions of the body camera video with 7 News Detroit to correct the record and ordered an internal affairs investigation.
Detroit police officials say the arresting officers conducted themselves properly during the stop, and stand by their actions.
Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy’s office says it is still reviewing the warrant request.
Williams' attorney, Todd Flood, released a statement to 7 News Detroit that reads: "On October 8, my clients were pulled over for an alleged traffic violation. During the course of the stop, my clients were both cooperative and respectful with the police officers. With the two pistols that were found in the vehicle, they were both properly registered and the driver in the vehicle had the proper credentials to carry them. We have cooperated with law enforcement and will continue to do so."
The Detroit Lions released a statement to 7 News Detroit on Tuesday. It says:
"Jameson made us aware immediately that he was a passenger in a routine traffic stop on October 8th. We discussed the incident with him and have kept the league informed of what we know. We understand he was released without incident or citation. It is now our understanding that the Detroit Police Department is revisiting the matter. Jameson has hired an attorney, and we will not be commenting further out of respect for the legal process."
Williams is looking more and more like a headache not worth keeping around. He’s been suspended twice, now legal troubles.
Clearly talented but man that kid can’t shake the baggage.
OT. Very sad.
49'ers cornerback Charvarius Ward's daughter dead at 1.
@ilcuqui posted:@RobDemovsky:
The Packers signed LB Jamin Davis, a 2021 first-round pick of the Commanders, to the practice squad and released LB Chris Russell from the practice squad.
Davis played in 50 career games for Washington, which released him last week.
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Note: Davis was one of a series of bad first round picks by Ron Rivera. WASH tried him at OLB, then MLB, then this season tried to recast him as a pass rushing DE. He always struck me as athlete first, football player second… slow to diagnose. A bit like Quay Walker that way. A reclamation project to be sure.
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@D J posted:OT. Very sad.
49'ers cornerback Charvarius Ward's daughter dead at 1.
Man, that is just awful 🙁. Born with Down Syndrome. Heart wrenching.
For God's sake, Hafley better not bring out that SOFT BS no pressure D he showed in the first half against the Vikings that allowed Sam Darnold (A QB that quite resembles Goff) to carve us up for four TDs. Look at what we did last year. Get Goff uncomfortable and the Lions struggle.
IDOT.