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@Tschmack posted:

This isnโ€™t going to end well for Philadelphia.

If Iโ€™m Morey maybe I look to deal Joel Embiid for a kings ransom.  Would Miami or Golden State or Memphis be interested?

Golden State has nothing but old, bloated contracts and no young players worth anything.

Miami has the same problems in going after Embiid as they did going after Lillard. Outside of Butler and Adebayo, the Heat roster is filled with role players and contracts no one wants (Herro, Robinson, and Lowry). If you aren't at least getting Adebayo back (and assuming Butler is their foundation), there is nothing worth trading for.

Miami's other problem is that their location works against them. They will never have trouble getting free agents to go there with South Beach and no state income tax. So, even if they give up a boat load of first round picks, the chances of them ever being in the top 5 is close to zero since they can at least get decent vets to go there. On the other hand, the Bucks picks from about 2028-2031 could be at the top of the draft. Giannis is not going to be an elite player when he loses a step (let's say by age 33 in 2027). FiServ could be a very barren place by that time and Milwaukee is not exactly a free agent destination.

The teams that could pay a king's ransom for Embiid would be OKC and, now ironically, Portland.

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@Boris posted:

https://www.nba.com/news/sixer...ames-harden-clippers

I can't wait until the Bucks destroy the Clippers in the finals ๐Ÿ˜ If the Clippers don't fuck it up. Have fun vs. Denver you pricks.

P.S. I'm glad PJ Tucker is in the west

The big question now is what this means for Embiid. They traded Harden and Tucker for basically 4 guys that play like PJ Tucker (3 and D guys).

In the last 7-8 years, PJ Tucker will now have played with over 20 guys who have made all-star teams: Paul George, Kawhi Leonard, Giannis, Holiday, Lopez, Middleton, Embiid, Harden (three different teams), Butler, Adebayo, John Wall, D. Cousins, Chris Paul, Russell Westbrook (2 different teams), Oladipo, DeRozan, Lowry (two different teams), Siakam, VanVleet, Booker, and Joe Johnson. I guess if your main role is to go stand in the corner on offense and play tough defense, you  can fit into any system pretty quickly.

James Harden is basically Allen Iverson 20 years later.

They were both tremendous offensive talents that ended up in situations where they could jack up 25 shots a game as the single focus of an offense. The teams had some level of success, but when they got older and they lost a step they still think they should be able to gun at will, but it's not going to be as effective. The problem is that they will have trouble adapting their games.

Iverson still got his points as he got older, but during his last 4 years he was a league-average player or worse based on all the advanced metrics. He infamously expressed his view on the importance of practice and while he played with ferocity and had a lot of steals, he was often a liability on defense towards the end of his career.

Harden's advanced metrics are still very good. However, he's hit the age where he is likely to decline very fast. The fact he hasn't exactly been a workout warrior (unless he's been working out during his extensive activity at strip clubs and Vegas) suggests he might go downhill fast. The other thing is that Harden, unlike Iverson, is just a quitter at heart. He quits on teams. He quits on a lot of individual possessions on defense. I was never an Iverson fan, but when he played in games he played at full speed all the time.

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