Jared Cook/Taysom Hill

Cutting Hill shows how inflexible and Uncreative MM is and was and how Sean Peyton has the brains to take a great athlete and use him in a way to win football games

How do you know if MM wanted to keep Hill and TT insisted on cutting him? Fact is you have no fucking idea which one wanted him gone.

I am one of the people lamenting the loss of Cook.  Full disclosure, I thought the Bennett signing was a great rebound, until it wasn't. 

I can't remember what Bennett got, but I certainly would have offered Cook that.  If I remember correctly, they low balled Cook first before he left?

Hill I'm ambivalent on.

TT pretty much lost all his acumen in the last couple of years, didn't he? Cook looked more like Jermichael Finley than anyone else they'd had and they low balled him. Taysom Hill wasn't a fit for MM's offense. Whereas Payton and Belichek know exactly how to exploit that short area athleticism.

3 years/$21M/$6.3 guarantee.

Everyone wanted Cook back, including Rodgers. TT didn't give one fuck. 

PackerHawk posted:

Everyone wanted Cook back, including Rodgers. TT didn't give one fuck. 

To be fair, he had no idea who Cook was.

Yeah, he heard they didn't need any cafeteria help with the food service, so why sign a Cook.  

Pikes Peak posted:

PackerHawk posted:

Everyone wanted Cook back, including Rodgers. TT didn't give one fuck. 

To be fair, he had no idea who Cook was.

They should have told him Cook was pudding. So do you want more Cook, Ted?

*nods yes* 

My take, Cook was 3 strikes and your out.

1) Solid receiver but not a blocker.

2) He got hurt and missed a few games.

3) His agent was playing hardball in contract renewal and pissed off TT or someone in front office.

That said I was pissed when we let him walk and he has yet to be truly replaced.

EC Pack posted:

I am one of the people lamenting the loss of Cook.  Full disclosure, I thought the Bennett signing was a great rebound, until it wasn't. 

I can't remember what Bennett got, but I certainly would have offered Cook that.  If I remember correctly, they low balled Cook first before he left?

Hill I'm ambivalent on.

Bennett got 3 years, $21 million. He got a lot more than what the Raiders gave Cook (2 years, $10.5 million). TT and MM thought they were getting an upgrade since Bennett had a reputation as an elite blocker. He sucked as a blocker and a receiver in GB.

Bad personnel moves unfortunately were too frequent in TT's later years and Bennett was just one of them.

So Bennett didn't work out, lets give AB a shot. 

I keep on having a problem with the Cook thing. Dude had a great catch vs Dallas in playoffs, but these were his stats for the injury plagued season:

Not sure I would have paid him either based on that. He did blow up with Oakland for 2 years before really coming on this year, but fuck let’s all be GM’s and say we saw that coming.

I still blame the chicken wing fiasco for him leaving. Small town market BWW. Stuff never would have happened in NO

He was hurt in the middle of season (ankle). He had 31 catches for 407 yards in his last 3 regular season games and 3 playoff games. We scored over 30 points in 5 of those 6 games. Our offense has not had a starting TE that could run since. 

I didn't think Cook was a world beater but certainly a good component to the offense. Enter one Jace Sternberger...

He was the best TE we had on the roster at that time.

I think letting Casey Hayward go was probably their biggest regret since they last won the Super Bowl. 

Oh, and obviously passing on TJ Watt. 

How many players have they either paid big money to or drafted to fill the corner and OLB positions? 

I don’t disagree with any of the above. My point was at the time no one really thought he was the 2nd coming. Part of that was due to the Bennett signing, and part of it was due to the fact that many felt AR was responsible for his limited success in 2016. I was one, along with a lot of others, who thought “just wait till he has a real quarterback throw him the ball” when he signed. I still think following the season the feeling was he underperformed in 2016 minus the Dallas playoff catch which a majority of people attribute to Rodgers throw. I guess time has shown GB effed up on this one. It wasn’t the first time they missed on a player and certainly won’t be the last. Let’s move forward. 

I was hoping to get more responses along the lines of what kind of contract anyone might've offered to extend or re-sign Cook as opposed to rehashing MM/TT stuff.

FWIW, I think Cook was hampered by pre-TC foot surgery, and his ankle injury following that. But he was a new man when he returned and played very well down the stretch and in the playoffs. People (like me) get excited over stuff like that, not unlike when a no-name has an outstanding TC.

I sure wouldn't have offered Bennett-type money (unless it was at least a 4 yr deal), but who knows what he was looking for? 
And there's really not a way to judge how it would've worked out in the end. 
Still, though.... it's nice to think of him and Rodgers 'peaking' together this year, among other things. 

A TE that can run just adds so much to an offense, especially vs. cover 2 defenses. IMHO, AR getting "hot" in 2016 had a lot to do with Cook coming back. TT then succeeded to whiff on Bennett & Graham, whom both had lost their burst, in addition to Bennett being a cancer. Cook still has it as evidenced by the 60 TD yesterday. That is why I'd like to see Tonyan & Sternberger get Graham's reps. 

Timmy! posted:

I was hoping to get more responses along the lines of what kind of contract anyone might've offered to extend or re-sign Cook as opposed to rehashing MM/TT stuff.

 

Timmy obviously hasn't been reading the board very much over the past couple of months.

ammo posted:

How do you know if MM wanted to keep Hill and TT insisted on cutting him? Fact is you have no fucking idea which one wanted him gone.

While it's fair to say that you can't absolutely hold one or the other accountable for letting Hill go,  it's a reasonable assumption that Mike McCarthy, at this point would have something to say about who comes and goes from the roster. But then you look at TT's 2017 draft and have to wonder if he communicated with anybody. I'm guessing that MM was doubling down on his commitment to Hundley and what he thought was a great QB room at the time, and never really looked at Hill as anything other than a traditional QB. MM was pretty content to just continue along the same path, which eventually caught up to him. I would be shocked if using Hill in any other way, other than just trying to plug him into the same plays and system they'd been using, was even on MM's radar. 

Ubetcha has to what Ubetcha said!

MM was severely stagnant in his thinking when Hill came along. 

When have the Packers ever used a gadget play offense or special teams? 

GBFanForLife posted:

When have the Packers ever used a gadget play offense or special teams? 

The Packers "experimented" with the wildcat but that's about the extent of it. Could be that MM thought they had already someone with those skills on the roster in Cobb. Beyond that though it's been pretty vanilla.

Tavis Smiley posted:

 

I still blame the chicken wing fiasco for him leaving. Small town market BWW. Stuff never would have happened in NO

 

 

Love my fried chicken heads extra wet. 

There are so many layers to that statement.

Love my head extra wet!