Jennings Last Home Game?

I bet he is a Lion next year.

last home REGULAR season game, if anything.
still got at least one playoff game coming.

Definitely Driver's last (reg season) home game... I say they bring Jennings back.

He also said something like "you've seen how they treat veterans, like Cullen Jenkins and Scott Wells....so we'll see if they do what they need to do to keep me here"

Jennings is a good guy but I do not thnk he will get as big a pay day as he hopes. Wrong side of 30, never had blazing speed, has been injurred this year, it has been a while since he had a big game. NFL teams like guys who are hot, right now Jennings is not.

Has to be tough on the guy having been a really good Packer for this long not to have a better picture of 2013 and beyond.

Greg has a number in his head that he wants though. TT has a number in his head that works for everything else he needs to do for the Packers.

Is Finley gone? Will Charles restructure? Will Driver retire?

I certainly would like to see him stay in GB though.

Turnip, you underestimate Jennings. 30-31 for a WR means he has 5 good years left. It's not like a RB.

Vikings. Lions. Seahawks. Dolphins. They all need WRs.

I'm guessing next year Jennings is a Dolphin, Finley is a Bear, and Driver is an analyst.

Does anyone know if Def or Offense was introduced before the DET game?

I want him back, but as always, it will come down to the money. They need to lock up Clay, Rodgers and probably Raji

yeah I heard him on the radio this morning as well.

definitely sounded like he didnt think hed be back next year.
By phrasing it "I know how they treat veterans around here" (which I thought came offs a little too abrasive) he must know the Packers arent gonna break the bank for anyone and he seems upset by this.

I wish hed not take such subtle digs at his contract status and at least say the right things. Yes he said hed prefer to be a packer, but the things he mentioned about taking his talents elsewhere came off a little arrogant.

Hes a great WR but Rodgers and this offense helped him as much as he helped us IMO. See what kind of numbers he puts up in Philly or KC. Panthers may actually be a good fit.

Im afraid if we gave him a big contract hed turn into post-contract Freeman .

WR is one position (especially with a QB like we have) that I hope we really dont sink much into any one contract. Ted can continue to find the Nelsons (KSt), Jennings(W.Mich) and Cobbs(UK) out there and Rodgers will make them famous.

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Originally posted by FreeSafety:
He also said something like "you've seen how they treat veterans, like Cullen Jenkins and Scott Wells....so we'll see if they do what they need to do to keep me here"

I wonder if Cullen and Scott have spent any alone time wondering if they might have been better off taking less.

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Originally posted by FreeSafety:
He also said something like "you've seen how they treat veterans, like Cullen Jenkins and Scott Wells....so we'll see if they do what they need to do to keep me here"


I wonder if Cullen and Scott have spent any alone time wondering if they might have been better off taking less.

This. Not having a QB like Rodgers throwing to you can cause all sorts of issues...

Love to see him back, but it's a business and he doesn't seem too inclined to give the Packer discount to stick around.

I'd love to keep Jennings. He's been a great player and a great lockerroom guy. But you can't pay everyone and with Rodgers, Raji and CMIII looking to get monster deals in the next 2 years, you have to make tough decisions. Cobb, Jones and Nelson are still a heck of a trio at WR and if there is one thing no one can argue, it's that TT has an eye for WR's in the 2nd and 3rd round of the draft. And he'll likely get a 3rd roudn compensatory pick for him too.

I could see TT keeping Jennings at a modest deal ($7-8m a year for 3 years) but I highly doubt Jennings agrees to that. I just don't see TT committing more than 3 years to a 31 year-old WR who just had his worst and most injury filled 12 months of his career (going back to the end of last year).

It comes down to this- why are Jordy and Jonesy still here? Because they didn't want 16 mil per season. Modest deals, thus they stay. The Packers will not pay 16 million a season for anyone but a game-changing player that cannot be replaced.

And the "you see how they treat veterans" thing? This is how they treat veterans- to sign a deal, they honor it whether you play well it not. They're one if the few, if the only, that does not cut players for cap purposes. Thompson's MO is that he'll sign you and honor the deal. There may be a couple examples that escape me, but I can't think of a single player cut for cap reasons in Thompson's tenure. I think it's purposeful.

Jennings is a fine player, but the Packers souldn't and won't sign him to an amount based on what other players make. It's a fool's errand to do it, and Thompson is no fool.

If its not with GB, bet its the Dolphins. Philbin will want him.

Music, I think they haven't cut people for cap purposes b/c they haven't had to, I doubt they would keep anybody just out of loyalty, this is a business.

I think we got Jones and Nelson for their amounts because neither is a #1 and knows it. Going down that strain, Jennings is a #1 and you can see how they miss him when he is out. As talented as Cobb is, I don't think he can be a #1 b/c of his size, I think he is most effective where they have him in the slot.

I would be a little slow to just say good-bye to Jennings and I think that is why their is the article that came out about Finley being gone maybe, I think that if they can find enough money b/t that and Woodson's contract they will make an aggressive (not overboard) offer to Jennings. (BTW, I am actually fine with Woodson being his last year unless he comes cheap at this point.)

On the bright side I think that his injury this year might have dropped him a million or two and I don't think anybody was going to give him $16m or whatever from the beginning. I can't see him going to Detroit for ton to be a #2, but as we have seen, the Vikings really need some help at WR and love signing Packers at the end of their careers. But would you want to go play with Ponder?

He's been good, if the Pack must move on, so be it.
That threaded pass from AR to GJ in the Superbowl will forever be in Packer lore, for that I'm grateful.

Ted knows.

In 7 seasons, Jennings had 3 of them where he's been available for 16 games.

If you want to be paid like a #1 WR in the NFL, availability has to be part of that equation. Even in returning 3 weeks ago, you can still tell Jennings is getting his feet wet again and if say he has a standout game this week vs the Titan's that will mean it took about a month to get back into his groove.

And the other part of this is that Randall Cobb is cleary Aaron's new favorite toy. Their chemistry is unquestionable and him and James Jones are who Rodgers is looking to. Cobb between the 20's. James Jones closes the deal.

I am not discounting Jennings or Jordy for that matter when they are both healthy. They're outstanding WR's when they are 100% and on the field. I'd love to see Jennings back but I highly doubt TT will do more then a 4 year deal, he would front load it in the 1st two years I'm guessing, and it would average maybe as high as 8 mil.

At one point Jennings was looking at 12 mil. Now, maybe he settles for 10-11.

But IMO that's too far apart. If Bob's right and Finley is gone in 2013, obviously that gives TT more working room but Raji, Rodgers and CMIII have to be extended sooner then later.

Tag and trade.

Just like Matt Flynn?

Also, TT did cut AJ Hawk for contract reasons.

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Originally posted by trump:

That threaded pass from AR to GJ in the Superbowl will forever be in Packer lore, for that I'm grateful.

Most beautiful pass I ever seen.

C'mon B K, you're old enough to remember several Starr to Dowler that were as good as that.

I remember that one that Dowler does an awful landing on......I'll look for it.

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I don't think he is doing himself any favors taking this approach. Forcing Ted has not played out well for many players.

I guess it has gotten to the point where every last thing they do is done through the media or is somehow publicized, including contract negotiations.

Well, if Jennings is gone I hope that Ted also looks to bring in a guy who, obviously, has good hands but also has blazing speed and good size. A guy who can stretch the field deep. Jennings has never had blazing speed, Nelson is pretty fast but with hammy issues will probably drop a notch. I'd like to see a guy go deep to make Jones, Cobb and whichever TE is playing, that much better underneath and on shorter routes. Right now, taller DBs who are fast are getting the better of our outside guys and we can't get anything vertical going. Nelson coming back sometime will help, but Nelson paired with a speed guy next year would open things up again, I'm thinkin'.

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Music, I think they haven't cut people for cap purposes b/c they haven't had to, I doubt they would keep anybody just out of loyalty, this is a business.

It's possible- but I am not talking about loyalty. It's about a business plan that sets a precedent. It's helpful in a negotiation when you aren't throwing Mickey Mouse $$$ with them knowing they'll never see the final years of the deal. Thompson doesn't do poison pill type deals.

Finley's deal will be interesting. If I'm right, they won't cut him loose like everyone assumes they will. He'll live out the end of the deal.

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Originally posted by cuqui:
If its not with GB, bet its the Dolphins. Philbin will want him.

They wouldn't pay Flynn - why pay Jennings what he wants.

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Originally posted by ammo:
C'mon B K, you're old enough to remember several Starr to Dowler that were as good as that.

I remember some Starr to C Dale passes that went well. One in SB I that would have allowed the Packers to take command of the game in the first half, but was called back because of holding. Taking command had to wait until the second half.

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Originally posted by cuqui:
If its not with GB, bet its the Dolphins. Philbin will want him.

They wouldn't pay Flynn - why pay Jennings what he wants.

Because Philbin knows who can play and who can't.

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Ted can continue to find the Nelsons (KSt), Jennings(W.Mich) and Cobbs(UK) out there and Rodgers will make them famous.

...Jones (San Jose St.)

fandame has an interesting take though I think the Packers see Jordy as that guy to take the top off the secondary. He hasn't had a hammy problem before so hopefully this is not a chronic issue with him. I do have to say though that a guy similar to Mike Wallace or DeSean Jackson would do some really interesting things for our offense.

This. I really don't feel that even if GJ moves on, he was screwed or forsaken by the team. For now, we have no reason to doubt the 'process' that has been a part of growing and continuing the team.

Cobb wants it, Jones wants it, Jordy wants it. They all know that they are better for playing with Rodgers than without... and as a TEAM they will do better.

I am sure that Greg realizes this, but, he also realizes this is his payday. To be honest, I want him to have a STELLAR last couple of regular season games and an amazing playoffs. Make your money man, and do it, helping the Pack to another trophy.

In ROTTT I trust. He finds his folks with a continually robbed scouting group. But, he does, he knows this. Clay needs paid, Aaron needs paid, probably BJ too and now he's playing like it, but when it gets down to it.

These kids can become legends. Icons. Forever held in revier in a hall of fame. Be one of the legends of one of the greatest sports franchises ever.

Leave and take the money, sure, why not. But to stay and make something beyond just a few games and a trophy, to want to be able to carry that torch... for a couple less million, *sigh*.

Not a choice to me, but to others who did not grow up with the joy or heartbreak, its a business decision.

I could never fault them, but I could adore if they chose in my eye's favor.

Biased, I am.

Best wishes and good luck with your choice Greg.

Jennings has a superbowl ring. Next goal: big money. Any human doing that many commercials in the past 9 months, has a real focus on cash....why not, what a brutal game, your trading with flesh and grey matter. He will be good, I will miss him, but he will not be worth the money he will command. Green Bay wisely passes to take care of the other stars--Great receivers---dime a dozen; great pass rushers, big nose men for a 3 man line, QBs.. all priceless.

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for a couple less million, *sigh*.

A million here, a million there. Before you know it we're talking real money.

That's precisely my point DH.

To them it is huge. To us regular folks, its a lifetime or more. I cannot fault them for having that choice, they have had the opportunity and skill.

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Originally posted by Fandame:
Jennings has never had blazing speed

One of the rare times we disagree. Greg's long TD's for every year he's been in the league:

2006 75 yds
2007 82 yds
2008 63 yds
2009 83 yds
2010 86 yds
2011 79 yds

You just can't do that without wheels.



He for sure doesn't have the speed he used to, but there's a fair argument to be made that Greg offers so much variance in the routes he runs best that it's almost a waste to send him on a simple go. Guys that show burning speed over multiple instances usually do so because they're one trick ponies. There's a guy in every draft you can bring in if you just want to stretch the field. What makes Greg special is slicing and dicing and turning corners hips into a shaky pile of motionless jello. That is much rarer air for a receiver. Few can do it well and there's only a select few in a generation that can do it as well as Greg. He's one of, and will continue to be, one of the premiere route runners in the league.

That route running ability, his big moment ability, and his smarts can carry a career a long bit further than your normal everyday NFL superstar receiver, imo. Greg is a guy with an impeccable work ethic. He has the drive and instincts to change his game into whatever it needs to be. He makes the players on the field around him better, makes practices more productive, provides locker room presence, and is as clutch as clutch can be.

In 1995, Jerry Rice caught a career high 122 passes for an NFL record 1,848 receiving yards and 15 touchdowns. He was 33. Greg isn't Jerry (who is?) but he doesn't need to lead the league either. He can give tons of production and provide value even if only on a one year franchise tag.

Some people might say Cobb makes him expendable. I think Cobb takes some of the hard hits off of him on those quick screens and makes him even better while providing the worlds best insurance policy if Cobb gets dinged. I'd franchise him if need be. Dollar for dollar there's hardly a better investment in a guy than Greg for a tag. I'd do all kinds of salary cap gymnastics to keep him around. Not for sentiment but for sensibility.

Finley? Bye.
Woodson? See you later.

The window is open now and if there's one guy I want to keep around as Rodgers security blanket it's Greg. That window doesn't stay open forever and I have a high deal of confidence in Greg that he'll continue to produce. They've been extremely fortunate to have cheap WR talent. Jordy and JJ are way underpaid for their production with never a hint of a holdout from either. That group is tight and if it can happen I think the Packers should show good faith and bring Greg back for one more go.

Its been reported before that the Packers favor players who don't make an issue about their upcoming contract to the media and Greg Jennings was once a player lauded for that approach. He's been talking non-stop since last summer this time around.

I think the Packers might wait to see what he gets offered. He hasn't had break the bank numbers due to injuries and the emergence of Cobb and Jone, plus big money FA WR's haven't exactly set the world on fire in most cases of late.

I also don't believe the Packers will let Finley go. I'm not sure they will re-sign him after next season but I don't believe they will let him go.