John Clayton Talks about Jones...

That basically means that neither trade will happen.

Since we haven't had any outlandish trade propositions in awhile:

How about James Jones for Cameron Wake and Jake Long (even though he's hurt)?If the Pack got Long, maybe the Pack wouldn't have to give up Jarrett Bush to acquire Joe Thomas.

I lost faith in Clayton when he reported Bates would be the new Packers coach about 10 minutes before McCarthy got the job. He might've been a good insider at one time, but now he's just good at reporting what he reads in the paper and hears on TV.

is more of an insider than

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Originally posted by Hungry5:

That picture is priceless

jones is valuable depth. i cannot see thompson trading him.

Jones is the new Nick Collins/Turd Ferguson - the guy everyone has traded in their minds about 500 times but who isn't going anywhere.

Johnnie, not even for Wake and Long? You're of your rocker, mate. Wait, Long is hurt? Why, those dirty Miami Dolhpins.

Didn't Miami just trade away one of their starting CBs? If we're sending Jones somewhere and his perceived value is as a starting WR, then I imagine Thompson would want at least a Nickel CB if not a starter in return. Miami won't trade two starting CBs in an offseason...not in a division with New England. I imagine Miami would like to acquire Jones, they're hard up for WRs, but Thompson won't deal a solid rotational player for less than a sweet deal.

Clayton is showing his lack of knowledge here. Jones isn't "just the 4th WR", he plays a significant amount of time. They like to rotate receivers and sometimes play 4 and 5 receivers at a time. Jones isn't riding the pine being wasted.

Why would Miami make a deal if TT isn't willing to throw in Jarius Wynn?

heyward is right, Clayton is about as timely with his reporting as

I'd like to see JJ stay with the Packers through this contract (and maybe get an extension). Going 4 or 5 Wides with this group is just crazy difficult to stop.

That said, JJ has talent and a great contract. And if some team wants to overpay for his services, go for it. But I wouldn't trade him just to trade him. He has value in this offense. And he adds great depth as he could fill in at any of the WR positions.

Ever notice how Reggie McKenzie, John Schneider, Joe Philbin, Mike Holmgren and any of the former Packer front office guys DON'T trade with Thompson ?

We'll see what happens in the next couple of weeks, but all of those guys have made multiple moves, none with their former colleague...

They know if he's interested in a deal or player that means it's probably going to end up being a great deal for GB and a crappy deal for them. They're content to let someone else get swindled.

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Originally posted by Herschel:
Why would Miami make a deal if TT isn't willing to throw in Jarius Wynn?

Duh, because the Packers no longer own his rights. Clearly, they would take Robert Ferguson in the deal.

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Originally posted by Satori:
Ever notice how Reggie McKenzie, John Schneider, Joe Philbin, Mike Holmgren and any of the former Packer front office guys DON'T trade with Thompson ?

What's your point? That Bill Belichick is an obtuse egoist?

Player trades are so infrequent in the NFL that it is pointless to try and predict them. I'm not holding my breath that JJ gets traded.

Ted will trade Jones for the price Ted sets on him. Ted price will come under the heaing of price gouging.

I'm waiting for the day when TT goes on Twitter to inform us he is working on a trade.

@thomtedson
Working on something big y'all, can't give all the deets, but watch your back receivers #tradejockey #joearrigo

nice work EKB!
might I add...

@thomtedson
Working on something big y'all, (hic) can't give all the deets, (belch) but watch your back receivers #tradejockey #joearrigo now, time for another boilermaker!

Once they finally got to them, they had some decent segments this morning on M&M, and Clayton wasn't too outlandish. He made good points about Jones' role with the Packers, and how he could be #2 WR for a team in need. He may have been over-hyping Jones' talent for the purposes of his report, but he wasn't going all Gruden about him.
I still think the majority of these "insiders" look at a team's injury or depth circumstance at a particular position, look for other teams with the exact opposite situation, and 'create' trade rumors or similar speculations. I guess that is what "reporting" is these days.

I don't recall if it was Clayton or Schefter, but one of them made a point about trade value that was spot-on. Something along the lines of "teams have to build trade value for a player they are considering trading", and if there isn't value for both teams, a trade will never happen.

Forgot to add:

Thing is, no team wanted Jones for free last offseason, for a very reasonable contract. Did he do enough last year to convince a team to give up a 3rd round pick (or equivalent player)? I don't think he did.

I do not think Miami will trade for any players. I think the plan down there is to be bad this year. Then with the very high pick they will have in next years draft they can draft a franchise QB type. That is why they are trading good players for draft picks so the will be bad and to have the picks to move up in the draft if needed to get the QB they want.
Heck they may want to trade a player to Ted at a bargin price to get some more picks.

Jones provides necessary quality depth and won't be traded.

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Originally posted by Tdog:
nice work EKB!
might I add...

@thomtedson
Working on something big y'all, (hic) can't give all the deets, (belch) but watch your back receivers #tradejockey #joearrigo now, time for another boilermaker!

That's more than 140 characters.

Too bad they couldn't have worked a JJ for Vontae Davis trade. Miami was completely stupid to give up on that guy.

James Jones is too productive and too valuable an insurance marker (in case of a 1-4 game injury to a WR) to give up for this offense. He may not be much on the open market, but he reduces a lot of risk with his presence in this offense with this set of WRs. In the last two games with Jennings out last year he caught 10 passes for 139 yds. with 2 TDs.

Gazoo also has some thoughts on AR12:

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It’s time to give Rodgers his due. He has a great arm and a great mind. He breezed through last season with 15 regular-season wins and leads a team that I believe will reach three Super Bowls over a six-year period

And yet another report of JJ trade:

Report:

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According to the Sun-Sentinel, the Dolphins are trying to acquire wide receiver James Jones from the Packers.

Miami has been actively pursing receivers in a trade, and Green Bay’s James Jones is one of the players being targeted. Earlier this week Ireland said the second-round pick Miami got for cornerback Vontae Davis and the third-round pick the Dolphins acquired for trading Brandon Marshall to Chicago this offseason is “ammunition” to make something happen.

Rumors involving Jones have been swirling for months, but a deal involving the former San Jose State star would’ve made a lot more sense in the spring. At this point, why would the Packers trade away a proven receiver? Not only is Jones having an excellent training camp, but 37-year-old Donald Driver is running on fumes and youngsters Diondre Borel and Tori Gurley haven’t developed into legitimate NFL players

Only if some team is willing to overpay.

Yup I am sure Ted has a price for Jones.

If I heard right, MIA had Donte Stalworth in for a tryout today.

from kffl:

"The Washington Redskins are working on a trade that would send WR Anthony Armstrong to the Miami Dolphins in exchange for RB Steve Slaton."

Damn!! I wanted the Packers to get Slaton.

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Originally posted by Satori:
Ever notice how Reggie McKenzie, John Schneider, Joe Philbin, Mike Holmgren and any of the former Packer front office guys DON'T trade with Thompson ?