Wait, they gave up two 1sts *and* have to pay him $90m guaranteed? I didn't realize Chicago had a future to mortgage like that.
Mack would not have made GB a SB favorite. They are more than one player away.
Could be their Reggie White move. We'll see.
oshbaul posted:Could be their Reggie White move. We'll see.
Khalil Mack isn't a generational talent. Anyone uses those comparisons or terms are either Bear fans or aren't seeing Mack for what he is.
Generational talent that was Reggie White
Never gets old. Watching him destroy guys like Larry Allen and Corey Stringer is just nuts.
Let's hope this reader's comments from BobMcGinnfootball.com end up being accurate.
September 2, 2018 - 10:30 pm
That seems a bit over the top even for the comments section.
Playing for the Raiders would demotivate me as well, but that sounds incredibly made up. Mack has pretty consistently averaged 1-2 sacks per game, with his 5 sack game in 2015 being the only outlier, and has performed basically the same against good OL and bad OL. He's been doing it as the best player on that defense with opposing teams gameplanning to take him out of the game. He's a great player, arguably one of the best in the league, but he's not even close to Reggie White or any all-time greats...I don't think he's outperformed Vonn Miller or JJ Watt at the same point in their careers.
I cannot locate the link, but Larry McCarren was recently saying that the past two-three seasons, the Raider defense was ranked 24th-30th in the league and that was with Mack on their D. I think we will have a TEs lined up near our OTs to help protect Rodgers in case Mack becomes what we fear he could be. It should be a good game to watch and I am ready to celebrate a Packer victory! GO PACK, GO!
I heard he smokes menthols
Henry posted:Generational talent that was Reggie White
Never gets old. Watching him destroy guys like Larry Allen and Corey Stringer is just nuts.
I have never had so much fun on Twitter before. Watching those videos? WOW! He had no equal.
I wonder if it’s possible the he ends up being really good with TBSS and the trade works out for Chicago. Not a generational talent like White. And not a horrible trade like the Hadl trade. Just st a really good, ProBowl addition to their team.
Why is everybody so hung up on Mack??
Have we forgotten who our starting tackles are?
Maybe because this thread is about, wait for it,
Khalil Mack
It was a big trade to a division rival with a variety of possible, long term outcomes.
I probably posted this in the wrong thread so I'll post it here again:
Bill Michaels railing on the Packers for not completing the Mack trade. I'm curious - Would the Packers have to cut anyone to fit both Rodgers and Mack under the salary cap?
GrainBelt66 posted:Why is everybody so hung up on Mack??
Have we forgotten who our starting tackles are?
Both Beluga and Bacteria suck at sacking QBs.
kcpuck posted:I probably posted this in the wrong thread so I'll post it here again:
Bill Michaels railing on the Packers for not completing the Mack trade. I'm curious - Would the Packers have to cut anyone to fit both Rodgers and Mack under the salary cap?
I heard him this morning and once again, Michaels proves what a total idiot he is. Essentially, he's saying the Packers should have done whatever it took to "sweeten the pot" to outbid the Bears. Even if that meant giving up 3 1st's or 2 1st's and say GB's 2nd or 3rd round pick and/or giving up a key defensive player like Kenny Clark to go with it. I'm sorry, is he high?
This is the same idiot who then would have bitched left and right about the Packers in 2019 not finding a replacement for Bulaga, not drafting a future TE, not getting a safety should GB either move on from HHCD in 2019 OR go find a better safety to play along side him.
The idea that the Packers are one player away from filling all their needs OR that Mack will somehow transform the Packers defense to being a top 10 or 5 unit is moronic.
The move the Bears made are exactly the type that teams like they, the Browns, Cowboys, Vikings, etc make. They are splash moves meant to stir their fan base and fool them into thinking they are locks for the Super Bowl. These are the same idiots willing to crown teams who blow their wad in free agency in March.
Rinse. Repeat.
I liked Mack. I didn't like him for the insane price Gute would have had to give up to get 'em.
In a private moment. I’m sure Mack would prefer to be on a team closer to a championship as long as he got his $22 million per. He probably doesn’t love the added pressure of the draft equity Chicago gave up on top of the salary but that was out of his hands.
And Michaels is an idiot.
Goalline posted:GrainBelt66 posted:Why is everybody so hung up on Mack??
Have we forgotten who our starting tackles are?
Both Beluga and Bacteria suck at sacking QBs.
But their combined YAC is insane.
Trying to picture what a yak combine would look like.
kcpuck posted:I probably posted this in the wrong thread so I'll post it here again:
Bill Michaels railing on the Packers for not completing the Mack trade. I'm curious - Would the Packers have to cut anyone to fit both Rodgers and Mack under the salary cap?
No, but it would hamper filling other holes in the future. They'd end up putting a ****load of cash in escrow but my guess is they'd make the numbers fit the cap for this year. He would pretty much need to be the end all be all for that defense. Can't say that he wouldn't be but he would need to play at a high level for years to come as well.
That comment by Michaels about trading Kenny Clark, stupidest ****ing thing I've heard in a long while.
Goalline posted:Henry posted:Generational talent that was Reggie White
Never gets old. Watching him destroy guys like Larry Allen and Corey Stringer is just nuts.
I have never had so much fun on Twitter before. Watching those videos? WOW! He had no equal.
The "club" move was amazing.
Does anyone else use the hump move today? I can't think of anyone off the top of my head that can pull it off...
Henry posted:kcpuck posted:I probably posted this in the wrong thread so I'll post it here again:
Bill Michaels railing on the Packers for not completing the Mack trade. I'm curious - Would the Packers have to cut anyone to fit both Rodgers and Mack under the salary cap?
No, but it would hamper filling other holes in the future. They'd end up putting a ****load of cash in escrow but my guess is they'd make the numbers fit the cap for this year. He would pretty much need to be the end all be all for that defense. Can't say that he wouldn't be but he would need to play at a high level for years to come as well.
That comment by Michaels about trading Kenny Clark, stupidest ****ing thing I've heard in a long while.
I noticed how you used the were “heard” instead of “read”. Because there’s been some batsh!t crazy stuff “written” in this forum. 
Reggie White was like LT or Deion Sanders. Transformational. Those guys were easily the best defensive players on the field and in most cases the best player on the field period.
I look at Mack like I look at Richard Sherman prior the injury. Very good All-Pro talent. But not in the same category as one of the all time greats.
I can see how and why the Bears traded for him and if I were GB I would have been willing to deal the 2 1sts for him. But Chicago offered more plus 90MM guaranteed. To me, the asking price was a bit too high IMO but Oakland got someone to bite.
Grave Digger posted:Playing for the Raiders would demotivate me as well, but that sounds incredibly made up. Mack has pretty consistently averaged 1-2 sacks per game, with his 5 sack game in 2015 being the only outlier, and has performed basically the same against good OL and bad OL. He's been doing it as the best player on that defense with opposing teams gameplanning to take him out of the game. He's a great player, arguably one of the best in the league, but he's not even close to Reggie White or any all-time greats...I don't think he's outperformed Vonn Miller or JJ Watt at the same point in their careers.
Did you mean 1/2 sack per game, not 1-2? He's had 10 sacks each of the past two years.
Tschmack posted:Reggie White was like LT or Deion Sanders. Transformational. Those guys were easily the best defensive players on the field and in most cases the best player on the field period.
I look at Mack like I look at Richard Sherman prior the injury. Very good All-Pro talent. But not in the same category as one of the all time greats.
I can see how and why the Bears traded for him and if I were GB I would have been willing to deal the 2 1sts for him. But Chicago offered more plus 90MM guaranteed. To me, the asking price was a bit too high IMO but Oakland got someone to bite.
Good comparison with Sherman. How about another one? What about Clay Matthews 3? CM3 is a 6 time Pro Bowler and also an OLB. Mack and CM3 are the same size.
We kind of take CM3 for granted and he always seems to be dinged up, but if he was a Viking or a Bear we'd all be watching the games just expecting him to make a game-changing play. Just like I expected and dreaded Urlacher making a play against us every time we played them. Clay has 80 sacks in 9 years, and is one of the top 10-15 Packer defensive players of all time.
If CM3 is healthy, I'd rather have CM3 at 13 million than Khalil Mack at 24 million a year.
I also get why the Bears traded for him, but I think peak Urlacher was better.
kcpuck posted:I probably posted this in the wrong thread so I'll post it here again:
Bill Michaels railing on the Packers for not completing the Mack trade. I'm curious - Would the Packers have to cut anyone to fit both Rodgers and Mack under the salary cap?
Who is Bill Michaels and why should we care?
I'm looking forward to both CM3 and Perry getting a boost from Pettine. Just stay healthy.
I just hope they are on the field. If so, they are plenty good enough to make some big plays and to anchor the new D.
Availability...
I think CM3 in his prime was more disruptive than Mack. No coincidence they win a SB with both him and AR starting to peak.
But it was Pickett who spilled it. For years I have watched this team rise and fall with the run stopper.
Hopefully, they rise now with Clark coming in to his prime and Wilkerson playing the Pickett role.
Bloodline. Story ain’t written yet.
Quit obsessing about Mack and just go slobberknock smashmouth the rest of the Bears and put this one in the win column.
I talked to my close friend of the Raiders yesterday after the trade was made with the Bears. I can’t name the source, but can’t get higher! When the NFL season began in March, they made an extension offer to Mack making him the highest defensive player in history. He declined and then wouldn’t even answer his phone. Some of the key coaches/decision-makers looked at every play by Mack in the last 2 years and came to the conclusion that he takes plays off, is in decline, racks up stats against inferior opponents and basically quit after they were out of the playoff hunt. They didn’t want him and couldn’t believe they could take the Bears they way they did. Time will be the best judge, but they just broke the bank for a declining poison. “Buyer-Beware” as some of the best moves are the ones you DON’T make!