This is supposedly going to be a huge class in the next round, something like 20-25 guys going in. Butler better ****ing make it. Surprised to see Nick Collins nominated. LOVED his play, just didn't think he played long enough.
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William Henderson was better than Mike Alstott. 
5, 8, 14, 10. In that order. Though this is totally lacking context and era.
Butler deserves to be inducted. Collins may have gotten there had his career not been cut short. Sterling Sharpe should already be inducted.
Agree on Sterling for sure... Butler should probably be there too. No on Collins.
Terrell Davis is in. Sharpe should absolutely be in.
Both had a 7 year career.
Sharpe led the league 3x in catches, 1x in yards, 2x in rec'v TDs.
Davis led the league 1x in yards, 2x in rush TDs.
Sharpe should absolutely be in.
Butler should be there too.
Didn't look at the list yet. Have no clue who is who in the DB list. Looked only at the stats/numbers and come up with the following 4 in order:
#5
#11
#8
#14
By my own unscientific review, those guys have the best overall cumulative merits from those listed.
Want all the Packers in.
Anyone want to put a name with the numbers (1 thru 15) above. I'm to lazy to look 'em all up.
LMAO, me too.
I'm too busy watching Thur football.
I appreciate the HoF wanting to do something special for the 100th season celebration, but this list has really cheapened the process. JMHO.
There are a lot of good players, and quite a few great ones, but some I can't see being considered HoF-level.
Donovan McNabb?
But on topic, I'm like Goldie in that I'd love to see all our guys make it.
Butler should be a lock.
For as good as Collins was, his career was too short.
I'd love to see Driver make it, but odds are surely against him. WR may be the most contested position considered because there are so many that deserve it.
Longwell is similar. It's hard for me to get excited over his nomination, and I think he had a great career, but not sure it rises to a HoF level.
Sharpe and Butler- Absolutely
Collins- Great player but the longevity wasn't there.
Driver and Longwell- Nope
Butler and Sharpe should be in
Sharpe had arguably the best 3 year run of any WR in NFL history. Look at his numbers from 1992-1994. And he put up monster stats despite being double teamed and defenders still being able to put their hands on you. Look at it another way - if he played in the current era he would be unstoppable.
With Sharpe, he was basically the 2nd best WR of his era, 2nd only to Jerry Rice. And some people consider Rice the greatest Football player ever, not just WR.
Michael Irvin got in due to all the rings he got, but Sterling was every bit as good and probably better as he was the primary target for defenses to stop. For the Cowboys, you had to stop Emmitt Smith first and then worry about Irvin 2nd.
Collins really only played 6 seasons, so if you stretch his 6 year production over 15 years (like other guys on the list) he has 52 INT, 165 PD, 12 FF, and 3 sacks. Production wise he was producing on pace with these other all time greats. He had a huge impact in GB. I think he's a borderline HOFer, I don't think he's in the same class as guys like Ed Reed, but he was one of the top players at his position for almost his entire career.
And, Sharpe was 5'11". Sorry, can't have that in the HoF. Wait, we could lie like the Packers, who obsessed with WR height - otherwise, why would they lie about it (Darrius Shepherd - 5'11" {LOMAO} - and claim Sharpe was 6'1".
michiganjoe posted:Sharpe and Butler- Absolutely
Collins- Great player but the longevity wasn't there.
Driver and Longwell- Nope
Agree. My thoughts exactly.
Disagree on Driver.
Driver is a Packer HoF'r -- Longwell???? GTFOH!!
Butler and Longwell. They've been moving to get more specialists in the hall in Longwell's case. Butler makes it, but barely. Love for Driver to make it, but wasn't the flashy guy and didn't have the big name. Sharpe... yes, the Denver RB who made it (whose name escapes me) didn't play long but there was a huge backlash for his being elected and that helps keep Sharpe out. Bummer.
Terrell Davis
Butler and Longwell. They've been moving to get more specialists in the hall in Longwell's case.
But there are probably specialists who deserve to get in before Longwell. Matt Stover, for example. And for the punters, Craig Hentrich.
The HOF is a strange institution. All of them are. They purport to celebrate the best players yet they all include people who were no where close to peak performers over a career (Joe Namath, Paul Hornung) but were undeniably famous.
The HOF is a promotional scheme and profit taking enterprise. On the basis of fame, there would be only a couple of offensive linemen enshrined. I think offensive lines collectively get more ink than individuals.
Of the list, I think only Leroy reaches the fame threshold because of the Lambeau leap and his being perhaps the most vocally prominent member(after Reggie) of those good Packers defenses in the '90s.
Sharpe gets into the pro-rated statistical wing of the HOF. Where Terrell Davis and Gale Sayers belong. His cause for the regular hall isn't helped by his surliness during his playing days.
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Here's the names matched with the stats above:
1 - Tim McDonald
2 - Troy Polamalu
3 - Bob Sanders
4 - Terry McDaniel
5 - Ronde Barber
6 - Steve Atwater
7 - Eric Allen
8 - Leroy Butler
9 - Merton Hanks
10 - Nick Collins
11 - Albert Lewis
12 - John Lynch
13 - Darren Woodson
14 - Rodney Harrison
15 - Troy Vincent
Looking only at the stats above, and not knowing who was who, I chose the highlighted in this order: 5, 11, 8, 14
Can you tell the story of the NFL without Leroy Butler.
Answer: Emphatic NO!
Who's #6?
Oops - Steve Atwater.
Butler has the numbers to be on the HOF. As previously stated, he also has the whole Lambeau Leap thing going for him along with his welcoming personality.
Agreed on Sharpe. Skill-wise, he was as good as it gets. However, his career was shortened and he came across as kind of a dick while he was playing, which doesn't do him any favors at all. Wasn't he the guy that flat out refused to even talk to the media?... didn't he also go all the way through camp one year and then refuse to play in week 1 without a new contract?
Sharpe and Bo Jackson could have played 8 weeks in the NFL and I’d have voted them in.
They were better than anyone trying to stop them. That was evident immediately.
Pakrz posted:Agreed on Sharpe. Skill-wise, he was as good as it gets. However, his career was shortened and he came across as kind of a dick while he was playing, which doesn't do him any favors at all. Wasn't he the guy that flat out refused to even talk to the media?... didn't he also go all the way through camp one year and then refuse to play in week 1 without a new contract?
Yep and yep. I don't think the contract thing is any factor but being a dick is for sure. Just ask Jerry Kramer about that.
Kramer wasn't a dick, he just wrote books that journalists envied.
ChilliJon posted:Sharpe and Bo Jackson could have played 8 weeks in the NFL and I’d have voted them in.
They were better than anyone trying to stop them. That was evident immediately.
...which is why you don't get a ****ing vote.
PackerHawk posted:Pakrz posted:Agreed on Sharpe. Skill-wise, he was as good as it gets. However, his career was shortened and he came across as kind of a dick while he was playing, which doesn't do him any favors at all. Wasn't he the guy that flat out refused to even talk to the media?... didn't he also go all the way through camp one year and then refuse to play in week 1 without a new contract?
Yep and yep. I don't think the contract thing is any factor but being a dick is for sure. Just ask Jerry Kramer about that.
Hey P-Hawk do you remember the audio clip I posted years ago? (PDG)
It was from a Jim Rome travailing caravan thing that was in GB for a couple of days and in one of the interviews Sean Jones(?) called Sharpe an ahole!
Nope, don't remember that. Fried too many brain cells I guess?
Butler should be in. The Lambeau Leap is a nice talking point, but if it’s part of the short narrative included with each nominee, there’s something wrong. That’s a disservice to Butler’s fantastic career. It stands on its’s own merits. Butler was every bit as important to the great Packer defenses in the mid 90s as Reggie White. #36 was as versatile as safeties get.
And Sterling Sharpe not being on the list is a joke. The Packers had nothing else on offense. I mean, who else did Majkowski and the other QBs early in Sharpe’s career have to throw to? Perry Kemp and Ed West? Jackie Harris? Everybody in the stadium knew the ball was going to #84, and nobody could stop him. And how many more Super Bowls do the Packers win if he doesn’t have to retire after the ‘94 season?
