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I am not sure why they hesitate to just pound it from the 1 yard line. Maybe, just maybe, MM is trying to show his normal tendency in the season and will fool everyone by doing the more obvious thing in the play-offs. This might not be a mauling line, but to not even try just is just baffling. They try one run off tackle and once Lacy starts going sideways (a scenario that repeated itself at least a few times) it was over. Quick hitting plunges up the middle sound like much more sound plays that will not go sideways.

Too freaking cute from the one on that set of downs.

All I ask is at the goal line (and short yardage) you go under center with at least someone in the backfield (FB and ___________________ preferred). Also, maybe spread out your receivers at the same time to open things up. I ain't no OC but it just seems logical that that would create more space and opportunity. 

It just seems like something M3 just won't do (or is hesitant to do). I remember a similar scenario in a loss at Buffalo with Favre M3's first season that just seemed mind-boggling at the time but has remained a constant.

chickenboy posted:

All I ask is at the goal line (and short yardage) you go under center with at least someone in the backfield (FB and ___________________ preferred).

During the Cowboy game it seemed like the biggest ground gainers were when they were in the pistol with Kuhn next to Rodgers and either Lacy or Starks behind them.  Were able to get some downhill running with a lead blocker mixed in.  Then in the Raider game that seemed to largely be abandoned except when Cobb was the running back.

slowmo posted:

Since Clements is taking the reins over again.

Suggestions on in-game Raiders thread were plentiful, let's list them all here: 

. screen passes

. bench Adams

. bench Starks

We can add in "end of game" decisionmaking when running clock out:

. run the ball

. punt instead of long, meaningless field goals

I agree with all of them except bench Starks.

  1. Screen has been our best option for the past month or so.
  2. Adams has been a thorn to this offense,  Abby deserves the PT.
  3. Game was unnecessarily prolonged..... TWICE.

Where do you disagree?

MM getting Cobb lined up in the backfield has been the major change. It's done to get favorable matchups for Jones and the other WRs. However, to make it work he has to hand the ball off to Cobb a few times a game. If he doesn't do that, it won't help. Cobb has 7 rushes for 27 yards in the two game MM has done the playcalling. The problem is that that's a lot of plays where a little scatback is in danger of getting hit by 300+ pound DL or 250 LB with a head of steam in the hole. The worry is that Cobb will get hurt.

This seems to be the only way MM can scheme into favorable matchups. If the defense stays in base personnel, then Cobb is matched up on a LB on a check route out of the backfield. However, if they line Cobb up in the backfield and then never run, the defense will just line up with nickel personnel and there is no matchp to be gained. The guess is that if the defense is in nickel, then they run.

Ideally, you'd do this with your RB, but Lacy is not a guy who's going to beat guys on a route and Starks isn't a good receiver out of the backfield either. Thus, they can only run screens where often Lacy and Starks are essentially standing still to catch the ball and then they run.

The other problem is that an adjustments defenses might make is to blitz in this look and force Cobb to pick up a blitz.

It's obvious MM is trying things schematically, but it's hard when you don't have the pieces to do a lot of things. No deep threats at WR, no threat from the TE, running backs that aren't great receivers, and a lead RB that needs 2-3 steps of space to get going.

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GBFanForLife posted:

The raiders were playing 8 in the box and the field was extremely slippery. I can bet it was difficult to even get a decent block with no traction.

If it was difficult to get traction to block it would also be difficult to get traction to fight off blocks.

The field was not bad yesterday. Oakland got good angles on their blocks and opened holes for their back.

 

GB doesn't block angles. They reach block everything and try to just get in the way until the RB finds a seam to run into. When was the last time you saw a Packer OL trap? 

For the life of me I cannot figure out the reluctance to line up with a TE or two, a FB and simply try to overpower the other team. MM talks about being tough. Well then be tough and go at them mano y mano.

Raiders ran for 120 yesterday. Carr ran for 42 of those. Packers ran for 103. Rodgers ran for -1. 

Oakland played single safety high with a 5 man front. Cobb in the backfield forced Oakland to add another DB to soften run support. It was a smart move by MM. 

My only concern about the run game is that MM didn't let Lacy tear into Oakland from the 1 in the 4th. Let Eddie be Eddie. Give him a FB in the I. Let the OL swap paint. 

MichiganPacker posted:

MM getting Cobb lined up in the backfield has been the major change. It's done to get favorable matchups for Jones and the other WRs. However, to make it work he has to hand the ball off to Cobb a few times a game. If he doesn't do that, it won't help. Cobb has 7 rushes for 27 yards in the two game MM has done the playcalling. The problem is that that's a lot of plays where a little scatback is in danger of getting hit by 300+ pound DL or 250 LB with a head of steam in the hole. The worry is that Cobb will get hurt.

This seems to be the only way MM can scheme into favorable matchups. If the defense stays in base personnel, then Cobb is matched up on a LB on a check route out of the backfield. However, if they line Cobb up in the backfield and then never run, the defense will just line up with nickel personnel and there is no matchp to be gained. The guess is that if the defense is in nickel, then they run.

Ideally, you'd do this with your RB, but Lacy is not a guy who's going to beat guys on a route and Starks isn't a good receiver out of the backfield either. Thus, they can only run screens where often Lacy and Starks are essentially standing still to catch the ball and then they run.

The other problem is that an adjustments defenses might make is to blitz in this look and force Cobb to pick up a blitz.

It's obvious MM is trying things schematically, but it's hard when you don't have the pieces to do a lot of things. No deep threats at WR, no threat from the TE, running backs that aren't great receivers, and a lead RB that needs 2-3 steps of space to get going.

Great post! Gotta hope that with Cardinals injuries, MM can scheme some favorable match-ups. 

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