quote:Originally posted by packerboi:
Consider Tim Brown unimpressed
Interesting points brought up by Brown.
My point exactly. I don't know that Trestman is a leader of men.
My point exactly. I don't know that Trestman is a leader of men.
My point exactly. I don't know that Trestman is a leader of men.
quote:Originally posted by packerboi:
Consider Tim Brown unimpressed
Interesting points brought up by Brown.
Brown may indeed have some viable insight into Trestman's leadership skills, but he doesn't help his credibility by blaming Trestman for his not getting the last 50 yards for a 1,000 yard receiving campaign. That's not QUITE the same as kneeling down when your RB is at 999.
B-N-D
Jerry Rice also had some issue with him. I don't take stock in those prima donnas however...
quote:Originally posted by atticus:quote:Originally posted by ChilliJon:
The Raiders thought so much of Trestman and Kromer in 2001 that they gave the HC job to Bill Callahan after Gruden was traded. Al Davis was wearing diapers, eating gravel, and washing the gravel down with liquid benzene by 2001, but still.
Callahan ran a faster 40 than the other two.
Yeah hey.
quote:Originally posted by Fandame:
The question really is if Trestman is a great leader. I subscribe to the belief that your head coach must be a great leader first and foremost. This is the guy who has to corral all the players' egos; coordinate the OC and DC who both believe they should be head coaches; get buy in from position coaches who are all hungry to move up; and at the same time, set and maintain a vision that everyone buys into. That takes leadership skills, not necessarily great coaching skill. Fortunately for us, I have only heard about Trestman's coaching ability and not his leadership skills.
He was HC in the CFL for 5 years, had a winning record every year and won 2 championships. You can diss it being the CFL all you want (and most likely will) but no coach in ANY pro league has that kind of success without having some measurable leadership skills. Plus he has worked for like 8 NFL teams so he knows how NFL teams are run.
I don't pretend to predict how it will work out but he appears to have some promise. I will lay down a challenge for the Packers fan "experts": Ignore all you know about what McCarthy has done with GB, compare his resume from before he was hired to Trestman's and who would you hire between the two? If you pick McCarthy then you are either lying or still have a stash of some "Wisconsin Green" ditch weed left from last summer.
L'ours encour sucer!!!
LOL when the Bears punt on 3rd down in week 1
Do the Bears "Go for it" on 4th and 1 from the 55-yard-line? 
quote:Originally posted by BearBite:quote:Originally posted by Fandame:
The question really is if Trestman is a great leader. I subscribe to the belief that your head coach must be a great leader first and foremost. This is the guy who has to corral all the players' egos; coordinate the OC and DC who both believe they should be head coaches; get buy in from position coaches who are all hungry to move up; and at the same time, set and maintain a vision that everyone buys into. That takes leadership skills, not necessarily great coaching skill. Fortunately for us, I have only heard about Trestman's coaching ability and not his leadership skills.
He was HC in the CFL for 5 years, had a winning record every year and won 2 championships. You can diss it being the CFL all you want (and most likely will) but no coach in ANY pro league has that kind of success without having some measurable leadership skills. Plus he has worked for like 8 NFL teams so he knows how NFL teams are run.
I don't pretend to predict how it will work out but he appears to have some promise. I will lay down a challenge for the Packers fan "experts": Ignore all you know about what McCarthy has done with GB, compare his resume from before he was hired to Trestman's and who would you hire between the two? If you pick McCarthy then you are either lying or still have a stash of some "Wisconsin Green" ditch weed left from last summer.
Haven't dissed the CFL, and won't. (Warren Moon, Joe Theismann and Marv Levy weren't such bad players/coach.) Trestman may know how NFL teams are run, but that doesn't mean he has the skills to run one. That's all I was pointing out. Maybe he got some of those skills in the CFL. I hope not because TBSS!
There's been talk in Chicago for the last couple of weeks about Emery hiring the best possible coach for the Bears. I don't know how anyone can think that's what they did when the GM didn't interview even one single defensive minded coach (save Singletary, and that wasn't a real interview). I mean, was there really not even one defensive coach worthy of an interview.
To me, the Bears looked to hire the best offensive coordinator who would just happen to be their head coach too!
To me, the Bears looked to hire the best offensive coordinator who would just happen to be their head coach too!
quote:Trestmanâs Tebow connection put Bears on short list of possible destinations
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com
The Bears didnât mention one of Trestmanâs other high-profile pupils. In 2010, Trestman helped Tim Tebow get ready for the draft.
âI donât know that Iâm the only one who has the sense of Timâs ability to be developed and become a very good player in the league,â Trestman said at the time, via the Morning Journal. âI believe in the right environment Tim Tebow will figure this out. He doesnât have explosive arm strength, but he has more than adequate arm strength to throw the ball in the NFL and make all the throws. I saw him do something totally different in seven or eight days. I can only imagine what heâs going to do in one year or two years, because heâs going to outwork everybody else and find a way to figure it out.â
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quote:Originally posted by BearNDesert:quote:Originally posted by WolfPack:
Im surprised with the talent level in CHI and its great history & fan support that it could not land a better candidate.
It's not like we were repeatedly snubbed and forced to settle. For better or worse, this is the guy Emery wanted.
B-N-D
If Rest man proves me wrong I'll be more than willing to admit it. But right now....
This is me --->>
Montreal Gazette article on Trestman Leaving
Quote from the Article (Note: Calvillo is the team's QB):
"Trestman adapted to the Canadian game despite having no CFL experience. He created an environment in which the players would succeed. He arrived and immediately leaned on his veterans, asking them questions. The dialogue was meaningful. Trestman listened, often heeding the players' advice. At the same time, in his own inimitable fashion, Trestman repeatedly reinvented himself, discovering ways to motivate the players. And they repeatedly ventured to the trough, deciding to drink the Kool-Aid, knowing the end result would invariably end well.
"It's always tough when you lose the captain of your ship," Calvillo said. "That's what he was. He was our director. We followed him. We believed in him. It took a few years for everybody to buy into his message. But he was able to spread that message, have people believe and buy into what he believed was going to help this team win.
"We're losing a proven head coach that has won a couple of championships. All we've built here came from Marc ... his leadership, his information, the picture that he painted, week in and out. Now we're in a transition. It's a matter of buying into what this guy brings. That will be the new head coach's challenge."
Sounds like a leader.
Quote from the Article (Note: Calvillo is the team's QB):
"Trestman adapted to the Canadian game despite having no CFL experience. He created an environment in which the players would succeed. He arrived and immediately leaned on his veterans, asking them questions. The dialogue was meaningful. Trestman listened, often heeding the players' advice. At the same time, in his own inimitable fashion, Trestman repeatedly reinvented himself, discovering ways to motivate the players. And they repeatedly ventured to the trough, deciding to drink the Kool-Aid, knowing the end result would invariably end well.
"It's always tough when you lose the captain of your ship," Calvillo said. "That's what he was. He was our director. We followed him. We believed in him. It took a few years for everybody to buy into his message. But he was able to spread that message, have people believe and buy into what he believed was going to help this team win.
"We're losing a proven head coach that has won a couple of championships. All we've built here came from Marc ... his leadership, his information, the picture that he painted, week in and out. Now we're in a transition. It's a matter of buying into what this guy brings. That will be the new head coach's challenge."
Sounds like a leader.
What are the chances that Trestman goes deep in the redzone forgetting that the endzones are no longer 20 yards long?
or puts mayonnaise on his french fries
Canadians are weird
Canadians are weird
I thought Canadians put gravy and cheese curds on their pommes frites.
Of course, it's the Kraft Dinner-eating that's really weird.
Of course, it's the Kraft Dinner-eating that's really weird.
Better get the penalty box ready
quote:Originally posted by BearNDesert:
Since you asked.
Here are the things I like:
He's smart enough to keep Rod Marinelli as DC.
B-N-D
Or not... Marinelli gone
I'm happy that Emery found an educated offensive guy. I liked his presser and I like his approach. Instead of relying on a dying style (Cover Two/Lovie) he seems poised to adapt and push the envelope.
"I think he's like Bill Walsh, because he's one of those guys that you want to go out and lay it on the line for. He is totally committed, and players are going to want to play for a guy like that!" â Hall of Fame WR Jerry Rice
Marc has coached some of the game's greatest players, with some of the most iconic names in coaching, who have nothing but the highest praise and regard for Marc and his talents.
"He (Marc) understands the game well. I mean he knows it all. He's been under all the systems and understands the game of football probably as well as anybody in football today, probably more so, because a lot of guys grow up with a system and that is all they know.â â CFL & Pro Football Hall of Fame coach Bud Grant
"Marc is one of the most capable and knowledgeable coaches in the game!" â Hall of Fame coach Bill Walsh
"Marc leaves no stone unturned. Itâs amazing how he can comprehend all of this stuff. He has to understand everything.â â Hall of Fame WR Jerry Rice
Buzz about Marc Trestman
"I think he is one of the most creative minds in football, and he probably isn't getting enough credit for what he has done as an offensive strategist in the NFL." â Former NFL Head Coach Jon Gruden
"The thing I like about Marc is his aggressiveness. I feel like he's always in attack mode, and as players, we respond to that." â 2002 NFL MVP Rich Gannon
"One of the most attractive qualities of Marc is he possesses an in-depth overall knowledge of the offensive game. Marc was one of the brightest coaches we worked with." â Two-time Super Bowl champion Head Coach George Seifert
"A great coach does more than lead others, he inspires them to lead. Marc Trestman is a great coach." â CFL Commissoner Mark Cohon
"I think he's like Bill Walsh, because he's one of those guys that you want to go out and lay it on the line for. He is totally committed, and players are going to want to play for a guy like that!" â Hall of Fame WR Jerry Rice
Marc has coached some of the game's greatest players, with some of the most iconic names in coaching, who have nothing but the highest praise and regard for Marc and his talents.
"He (Marc) understands the game well. I mean he knows it all. He's been under all the systems and understands the game of football probably as well as anybody in football today, probably more so, because a lot of guys grow up with a system and that is all they know.â â CFL & Pro Football Hall of Fame coach Bud Grant
"Marc is one of the most capable and knowledgeable coaches in the game!" â Hall of Fame coach Bill Walsh
"Marc leaves no stone unturned. Itâs amazing how he can comprehend all of this stuff. He has to understand everything.â â Hall of Fame WR Jerry Rice
Buzz about Marc Trestman
"I think he is one of the most creative minds in football, and he probably isn't getting enough credit for what he has done as an offensive strategist in the NFL." â Former NFL Head Coach Jon Gruden
"The thing I like about Marc is his aggressiveness. I feel like he's always in attack mode, and as players, we respond to that." â 2002 NFL MVP Rich Gannon
"One of the most attractive qualities of Marc is he possesses an in-depth overall knowledge of the offensive game. Marc was one of the brightest coaches we worked with." â Two-time Super Bowl champion Head Coach George Seifert
"A great coach does more than lead others, he inspires them to lead. Marc Trestman is a great coach." â CFL Commissoner Mark Cohon
http://www.chicagotribune.com/
Not that there's anything wrong with that but keep it in the locker room.
quote:Marc Trestman emphasized passion, urgency and commitment and said he "can't wait to get my hands on" quarterback Jay Cutler
Not that there's anything wrong with that but keep it in the locker room.
A little more Bear perspective on this. Marinelli leaving, don't let the door hit you on the arse. He is so attached to Lubbie's tit it ain't funny. He couldn't be around someone who took his best buddy's job. Rumor is Kiffin wants to hire him on as DL in Dallas. Guess what, Garrett flames out and there is a good chance Lubbie gets that job.
Trestman is what he is. He is more american than you all put on. He knows the NFL game. The biggest question is personnel and will Jay want to put in the work needed to be successful. Trestman stopped short numerous times in presser of calling Jay the "franchise" qb. Stressed his qbs need to be "efficient", something Jay hasn't been. If Jay can't get it done early, don't expect a contract offer to come his way.
It is a new era in Chicago and I welcome it.
Trestman is what he is. He is more american than you all put on. He knows the NFL game. The biggest question is personnel and will Jay want to put in the work needed to be successful. Trestman stopped short numerous times in presser of calling Jay the "franchise" qb. Stressed his qbs need to be "efficient", something Jay hasn't been. If Jay can't get it done early, don't expect a contract offer to come his way.
It is a new era in Chicago and I welcome it.
Last call.
35-34 Packers
35-34 Packers
He looks French.
From Trestman's presser: "I would have hoped Rod (Marinelli) would have stayed here."
Unlike PoHarry, I personally hoped Marinelli would stay. It's not that I'm enamored with the Cover Two, or even Marinelli necessarily, but the Bears have a veteran defense and a little continuity on that side of the ball might have been preferable (at least in the short term).
B-N-D
Unlike PoHarry, I personally hoped Marinelli would stay. It's not that I'm enamored with the Cover Two, or even Marinelli necessarily, but the Bears have a veteran defense and a little continuity on that side of the ball might have been preferable (at least in the short term).
B-N-D
Yeah I think continuity will be tough early but it's not impossible for them to have a decent year in 2013. We've seen it before from good head coaches.
I think the defense needs to get a little younger to be honest
I think the defense needs to get a little younger to be honest
The Pittsburgh Steelers defense disagrees.
Sean Jensen â@seankjensen Mike Tice is no longer with the #Bears, according to a league source. Sounds like he'll look for an opportunity elsewhere.
quote:Originally posted by chickenboy:
Sean Jensen â@seankjensen Mike Tice is no longer with the #Bears, according to a league source. Sounds like he'll look for an opportunity elsewhere.
Chicago, it's a tough guy town.
Maybe he can join childress at whatever kick ass job he is doing now.
Lovie Smith still not hired, now contemplating sitting out the 2013 season...priceless!
Before he signed on with the Bears, I probably would have said I'd like to see him come to Green Bay as an OL coach. However, since he's proven that he can't even set up a competent offensive line (they were about as bad as an offensive line can get), I'd now say that he's not even qualified to be an assistant in the NFL.quote:Originally posted by chickenboy:
Sean Jensen â@seankjensen Mike Tice is no longer with the #Bears, according to a league source. Sounds like he'll look for an opportunity elsewhere.
quote:Originally posted by DeepChicago:
Lovie Smith still not hired, now contemplating sitting out the 2013 season...priceless!
Sitting out on the Bares payroll. Priceless!!
Not saying this about Trestman in particular, but you can find people to say positive things about any new coach. People were glowing about Rich Kotite in the New York papers when he took over the Jets.
What's so "priceless" about Lovie not getting a job and having to sit out the season. He seems like a decent human being and he was a pretty good head coach. Something tells me Bears fans will be longing for the days of 10-win seasons about three years from now.
What's so "priceless" about Lovie not getting a job and having to sit out the season. He seems like a decent human being and he was a pretty good head coach. Something tells me Bears fans will be longing for the days of 10-win seasons about three years from now.
quote:Originally posted by Pack-Man:Before he signed on with the Bears, I probably would have said I'd like to see him come to Green Bay as an OL coach. However, since he's proven that he can't even set up a competent offensive line (they were about as bad as an offensive line can get), I'd now say that he's not even qualified to be an assistant in the NFL.quote:Originally posted by chickenboy:
Sean Jensen â@seankjensen Mike Tice is no longer with the #Bears, according to a league source. Sounds like he'll look for an opportunity elsewhere.
Disagree, when meathead was the Oline coach, the RB had some good years.
In minnehaha, I thought they had good line play when he was there.
IMO, a meathead to jughead(Campen) conversion might not be a bad or at least the worst idea.
He had incredible talent on the OL in Minnesota. Guys like Matt Birk, Randall McDaniel, Jeff Christy and Korey Stringer were amongst the best at their positions. Steussie and Dixon weren't slouches, either. When he had to get sub par talent in Chicago to not look like a total disaster, he couldn't hack it.
As a guy that has screened and interviewed and hired a lot of people over the years I still have to wonder why he left the NFL and hasn't returned until now nearly 10 years later. Don't tell me it's because he loves Canada or that the CFL is in the same category because it ain't. Heck, most DI college football programs are more relevant than the CFL.
There's a reason why guys leave an industry as an individual contributor and don't return for years later (if ever) as a leader. They either are too egotistical, too high maintenance, or simply aren't cut out to perform at the highest level. Simply put, it's probably not the best fit.
Trestman has earned the label over the years as an offensive guru but that's only one piece of the puzzle to be a successful head coach. Something tells me that he's got some flaws otherwise why would a team not have given him a shot until now? It's not like there haven't been probably close to 50 HC openings in the NFL since he left.
I would bet money some of those flaws were exposed when he ended up leaving places like SF and Oakland. If he truly had that HC ability why was he never considered there either? I would guess that while he may have had a lot of book smarts he didnt exactly inspire or motivate groups of people.
There's a reason why guys leave an industry as an individual contributor and don't return for years later (if ever) as a leader. They either are too egotistical, too high maintenance, or simply aren't cut out to perform at the highest level. Simply put, it's probably not the best fit.
Trestman has earned the label over the years as an offensive guru but that's only one piece of the puzzle to be a successful head coach. Something tells me that he's got some flaws otherwise why would a team not have given him a shot until now? It's not like there haven't been probably close to 50 HC openings in the NFL since he left.
I would bet money some of those flaws were exposed when he ended up leaving places like SF and Oakland. If he truly had that HC ability why was he never considered there either? I would guess that while he may have had a lot of book smarts he didnt exactly inspire or motivate groups of people.
quote:Originally posted by Tschmack: As a guy that has screened and interviewed and hired a lot of people over the years I still have to wonder why he left the NFL and hasn't returned until now nearly 10 years later.
As a art director it's an easy one. Trestman interviewed for several head jobs on the college and pro level with no luck. Canada offered him an opportunity to be a head guy and he took it and accomplished every thing he could and proved he could be a head guy (I guess it is up to you whether or not Canada counts).
As an art director that says a lot
Make sure to get included on the interview teams and everyone gets their fair shot
Make sure to get included on the interview teams and everyone gets their fair shot
quote:Originally posted by Pack-Man:
He had incredible talent on the OL in Minnesota. Guys like Matt Birk, Randall McDaniel, Jeff Christy and Korey Stringer were amongst the best at their positions. Steussie and Dixon weren't slouches, either. When he had to get sub par talent in Chicago to not look like a total disaster, he couldn't hack it.
Forte is good, he is not that good. JMO.
quote:Originally posted by Pack-Man:
He had incredible talent on the OL in Minnesota. Guys like Matt Birk, Randall McDaniel, Jeff Christy and Korey Stringer were amongst the best at their positions. Steussie and Dixon weren't slouches, either. When he had to get sub par talent in Chicago to not look like a total disaster, he couldn't hack it.
I think it pretty well know that Tice is highly regarded as an OL coach. Sure he had a lot of talent in Minny but it is also possible that he also coached that talent up.