Matt is unlikely to get the franchise tag....

We're still going to get a compensatory pick for him.

Wells and Finley are higher up the food chain of priorities.

Bummer. Oh well, guess we can just hope for a third round pick in 2013.

As a fan, I hope he ends up with the Dolphins. Seems to be a good fit for everyone. Dolphins finally have a legit prospect at QB, and Flynn gets Philbin as his coach, some decent talent around him (Jake Long, Brandon Marshall and Reggie Bush), and a solid defense. Better than Washington, Cleveland and Seattle can offer.

Marshall will probably end up in Chicago ...

Not being able to trade Flynn would suck but it's probably the reality of the situation. How the hell did the Pats do it and what's the difference between their situation and ours?

I would guess there were a few different factors.

One is the New England West connection that was set up in KC and was absolutely key in getting that trade done. I realize there are other Ted connections around the league, but that doesn't mean things will play out the same.

Second is cap space. I'm not going to look up the numbers, but its possible NE was in a better place than GB is now and wouldn't have had to cut anyone just to sign him before trading.

The other thing that gets over looked is that it wasn't a given Brady would be ready to play Week 1. There was actually a possibility the Pats needed Cassel to start the year out which gave them a bit of leverage that GB doesn't have.

Throw in the fact that it looks like they'll need the tag for Finley more and more each day, and it looks too unlikely they'll get more than a comp for Flynn.

I'd guess the Patriots didn't have any pending free agents that they'd want to use the Franchise tag on. The Packers have two potential players they'd like to keep, so using the tag to leverage a draft pick out of a team that wants Flynn may be a luxury that TT can't afford.

Pie in the sky scenario, TT extends Finley and Wells now, and then is free to tag Flynn.

I don't think many people really understand the Cassel deal.

That situation is nothing like Flynn's.

Cassel had a full season of experience and therefor a full season of tape for teams to evaluate. And an 11-5 W-L record. The Chiefs had to be impressed enough to be willing to sign Cassel a long term deal that payed him over $10M per year in order for the deal to work and Cassel to agree to not pursue FA. The Chiefs had to make Cassel the 12th highest paid QB in the NFL. He makes more than Aaron Rodgers. The Pats also threw in Mike Vrabel, a starting LB who played 2 more full seasons for the Chiefs.

All that for a 2nd round pick.

With Flynn's limited playing time, who is going to agree to pay him $10M+ per year and give up draft picks to get him? TT would have to really sweeten the deal even more to get just a second round pick.

TT can use the franchise tag on Finley and still hope to get 3rd round comp pick for Flynn next year.

That's probably the reality of it. Good post, FS.

Makes sense. Damn ewe!!

At the time of the trade, many folks out here felt the Patriots gave up too much in the trade and left alot on the table.

I'd imagine there are some teams thinking that they'd like to sign Flynn when he hits free agency. If at least one of them wants to guarantee they have Flynn in 2012-13 & beyond, they'll call up TT to see if they can strike a deal. If all of those teams want to roll the dice that Flynn picks them, he'll become a FA.

Some have been saying for a few months now that Flynn wouldn't get tagged.

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Starting the 6th teams can start doing things. Then March 13 FA starts and teams have to be under the cap.
If the Packers do Franchise tag a player are they on the hook for the tag amount or if they cut him anytime before the season starts are they of the hook?

Pretty sure the franchise tag is guaranteed for the year as soon as its signed.

And its going to take more than one team wanting Flynn enough to work out a deal before FA. Flynn has to agree to ignore all other suitors to bargain exclusively with said interested team. And while I'm sure he's grateful to the organization, I don't think he's willing to cost himself millions in thanks.

Hungry 5 wrote:

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Some have been saying for a few months now that Flynn wouldn't get tagged.

[list of links which amount to Hungry 5 tooting his own deleted]

You do realize you're setting yourself up for people posting links to when you were wrong, don't you?

(The assertion that you have never been wrong is of course an invalid argument.)

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And its going to take more than one team wanting Flynn enough to work out a deal before FA.

Why? Say Miami calls GB & initiates trade talks. Flynn says "Sure I wouldn't mind Miami Beach". GB & Miami agree on compensation. Flynn's agent & Miami agree on a contract extension. Done deal with no other teams involved.

Will it happen. Probably not. But there's no reason it couldn't.

He may like Philbin

If this trade scenario were actually to happen, wouldn't GB have to tag him before they can trade him? If so, wouldn't that burn their franchise tag, thereby preventing it from being used on Finley or even Wells? IIRC, you only get to use the tag once per year. That may be different with the new CBA or I could be Rong altogether.

Point is, unless they have obviated the need or any leverage with that tag other than to use it on Flynn once UFA arrives, he's not getting traded. If somehow Finley and Wells are signed before FA begins, you could see that happen. That seems like a long shot.

Cassell and Flynn's are different? Well, yes Free Safety. One was a winner in college who won a national title, the other was no more than a career backup. Cassell filled in for Brady with an inspired Moss and Wes Welker running down the field winning 11 games after going 16-0.

Sure, Flynn hasn't had the time in but he also showed in two career starts, he could lead his team and control the ball in bad weather in those starts

An inspired Moss? You mean a Moss pining for Brady?

TD just basically said he believes the 2008 Patriots had better weapons than the 2011 Packers. I knew he was a Belicheat fan all along.

A little off topic, but here goes it....

Wherever Flynn ends up, I predict he won't live up to the hefty contract that he's probably going to end up receiving. Not that he doesn't have the talent to be a top NFL QB, but he's spent the last several years learning from arguably the best quarterback bringer-upper in the league (and a top HC) in MM.

AR is the best in the league, but imo MM's coaching ability and TT's drafting ability played a huge role in AR's current success. Flynn will likely not benefit from the same support system wherever he ends up. Maybe Philbin can provide that in Miami, but it's too early to tell.

Belicheat coached Cassel to a 11-5 season, and KC payed big for their new QB....but Cassel hasn't sniffed a trip to the SB while at KC.

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Originally posted by JJSD:
If this trade scenario were actually to happen, wouldn't GB have to tag him before they can trade him? If so, wouldn't that burn their franchise tag, thereby preventing it from being used on Finley or even Wells? IIRC, you only get to use the tag once per year.

One per year is correct... Flynn ain't gettin' tagged.

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Wherever Flynn ends up, I predict he won't live up to the hefty contract that he's probably going to end up receiving.

That's not the Packers' problem.

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Originally posted by Fond Du Arrigo:
TD just basically said

As usual, Rong adding nothing but a poor attempt at humor.

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Originally posted by TD:

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Originally posted by El-Keil-Bong:
FRANCHISE HIM!!1!

Rong again.

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Originally posted by TD:
As usual, Rong adding nothing but a poor attempt at humor.

HAW HA HAWWWW!!!

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Originally posted by TD:
As usual, Rong adding nothing but a poor attempt at humor.

You tell 'em, TD! NOBODY and I mean NOBODY messes with you and gets away with it.

Seriously, you're the baddest MFer on this here innernets site. Don't let anyone ever tell you otherwise - not that you would.