McCarthy

Oh sure hey, like Rodgers is not gonna have a center.

MMM can play center in July.

MM and TT or if you prefer TT and MM make a very good team and are probably perfect for GB. As a whole they have done an above average job, drafting, developing and coaching. I like em both and hope they remain in their positions for a long while.  However those that deny that having Rodgers fall to them is not a huge factor in their success are IMO naive.  And again those that credit MM winning the div last year without acknowledging Detroits total suck at the end of the yr are being less than true to the facts. He did hold the lads together and kept them playing hard but you have to admit that without Mr Shwartz and Mr Stafford etal the loss to SF would not have been possible.

 

Wrong.

 

It would be because Aaron Rodgers guided the Packers to 19-0 winning the Super Bowl.

 

JMO IMHO

Aaron is really good at drafting players, signing free agents, calling plays, running the ball, catching the ball, blocking, and playing defense then. I haven't been giving him enough credit!

I think there's a lot of validity to what FS is saying. Rodgers clearly makes everything else a lot easier for this team, including the head coaching. There's nothing wrong with it, and that's not a criticism of MM's ability as a coach. It's just reality. Belichick wasn't looked at as one of the GOAT coaches until Tom Brady became a Patriot. Dungy was a great defensive mind who just didn't have what it took to win it all...until he went to a team with Peyton Manning, etc.

 

MM is a very good coach, and I'm glad he's here. As has been pointed out, his no nonsense approach to running his team is a great asset. Deciding to move on from the Old Gunslinger was a crucially important call he made, and he was ripped by just about everyone that covered the NFL at the time. What if he didn't do that? Where would this team be right now? Probably not SB XLV champions, I'd bet. 

 

This is truly and emphatically 100% bull**** and hearing the "luck" of it all is laughable.  Remember how Rodgers was the next Joey Harrington?  Remember how shakey he looked in his first couple of years?  Remember how many other teams passed on a sure fire franchise QB?  Who the phuck would be so god damn stupid to pass on Aaron mother****in' Rodgers!?   Oh yeah, because TT made a bold move to take Rodgers even with Bert QBing the team and MM truly coached this guy up into the player he is today.

 

So take that whole "lucky" turnkey QB bull**** and throw it on the burn pile of fallacy.  

 

Detroit?  Yeah, they suck.  But the Packers sucked slightly less having their franchise "turnkey" QB out for half the season.  Why did they suck slightly less?  Because TT drafted another "risk" that obviously fell into his lap (Pittsburgh says hi), plugged the kid in and he ran like John Brockington.  

 

WTF? The Vikings & Cowboys passed on Rodgers....TWICE. Gruden & Tampa told Rodgers they would draft him at 5 & instead took the RB. The Raiders traded up & drafted Fabian Washington. Thanks Mr. Davis

 

Every team that had a draft choice (or 2) in front of Green Bay had the opportunity to draft Rodgers AND they all knew he was ON THE BOARD. 

 

WTF is TT supposed to do? "Welllll, every other team passed on him I guess I should too."

 

Go back & read about how it all transpired. TT started calling around & asking "What's wrong with this guy?!?!?!" The responses he received stated "nothing". 

 

TT stated that Rodgers was the only player left on his board "with a first round grade"

 

....and just like this year....he's going to draft the Best Football Player Available AGAIN! round after round nothing but a bunch of "lap-droppers"

 

It's not TT's fault the rest of the teams drafting above Green Bay were too stupid to see the potential in Rodgers.

 

Of course having Rodgers is a huge factor in their success but it isn't the only factor. It's a QB driven league but you need good players around him. If Rodgers was on the Cleveland Browns, they would probably make the playoffs last season.

 

And was coached up and guided by who?  I'm going to destroy this turnkey QB notion.

 

Remember Aaron Brooks?  Remember his couple of seasons in New Orleans?  What's the common denominator?  McCarthy.  

The Super Bowl title - just a fluke - they got lucky and got hot at the right time.  

Drafting Rodgers - just a fluke - fell into their laps and TT had absolutely no choice but to take him.

Winning the division - just a fluke - everybody else lost.  GB didn't actually win it.

 

I'm a realist.  I look at facts only.  Admire me for my intellect.

 

 

And yet Detroit would still have won if it weren't for the teams that beat them.  And I still blame TT for not drafting the players who weren't available.  And Einstein would never have come up with the theory of relativity if his mother didn't get laid.

Rich Gannon was a turnkey QB.

Henry and Boris have it right. TT scouted him not because he was expected to be there at 24, but because that is how he does his job. MM and staff developed Rodgers' tallant and TT and MM hitched their horse to him when they didn't have to.

You might as well stare that those guys who built beachfront resorts were lucky that the ocean was there.

 

It's hard to find a gigolo in Zurich in the early 1900's.  

GB hasn't won 13 championships.  Everyone else just in the league just lost them those years.  Realism.  

 

I just don't get it.  If you're going to choose a mental approach to being a fan, why choose an unhappy one?  There's plenty of stress and struggle in everyday life.  

I suspect that view can be traced back to a lot of Brent love.

Turnkey Gigolo.  My new business venture.

That's probably true for some.  For others, perhaps they just choose the negative at every fork in the road in life.  For others, they're just so ****ing spoiled after more than two decades of winning that winning a championship every year is an entitlement.  Even when they win one, of course it wasn't real - just luck.

Lucky getting to playoffs when he makes it (which is quite often). Outcoached when he fails to advance. 

 

It gets old. 

Aren't we all ----- turnkey? 

 

 

Except for Boris of course!

Eddie Lacy fell to the Packers just like Jordy and Collins and CM3 and Cobb and Sitton (among others).

Bunch of dum dums that TT and MM

Is DocBenni merely MM or Uncle Ted's pen name?  Cause he sure is smert????

 

I'm more of a pull start.

I'd have guessed you're a self-starter.

It's not gonna pull itself.

Nobody else is going to pull it, either.

That's a funny way of asking if you can touch it.

No means no.

 

I refer you to your sock drawer and your lusty imagination of IC in hot pants.

quote:

imagination of IC in hot pants.

Sounds like an emetic.

Oookay. Back on topic. 

 

Don't you think the Queens, who passed twice on AR I believe, would love to have him now? The knock on AR was that he held the ball too high and was a Tedford QB who was great in college, but might have trouble in a system other than Tedford's. Well, those other teams above GB maybe took for need, maybe decided AR was a second-rounder, or they were just asleep at the podium. Whatever the case, MM should be given a lot of credit for taking AR, Brooks, etc., and making them into starters and TT gets the credit for jumping at the chance to get a franchise QB because at least he recognized it compared to all those other GMs. And look what MM and TT did for Flynn! I bet every time Flynn cashes an NFL paycheck he thanks MM and TT.

 

Do MM and TT walk on water? No, but MM has sailed a steady ship, TT has stocked it with guys willing to row in the same direction, and we are all darn lucky to have them steering the franchise boat.

I am just curious how MM would acknowledge that?  In a press relsease?  Interview?  How would it go down?  maybe like this:

 

MM:  "I want to congratulate our team for winning the NFC North again this year.  But, we couldn't have done it with the total meltdown by the Lions.  So, I want to thank Coach Schwartz and Matt Stafford for sucking at the end of the season."

 

really?

 

Unless you win 13 or more games to win the division outright, isn't winning your division based on a lot of luck every year? Not many teams have 100% control of their own destiny every year...maybe 1 or 2. Every year around week 14 they start listing the playoff scenarios for each team and it relies on Teams X, Y, and Z losing and your team winning out. That's just the nature of the NFL, to point out that GB needed help to make the playoffs or that GB was lucky to make it in like it's a huge knock on McCarthy is pretty lame. He's a good coach, Thompson is a good GM, Rodgers is a good QB, we're lucky to have all 3. They're all equally important and they are all where they are in their careers in large part due to each other...Rodgers could have had a career like Alex Smith without Thompson or McCarthy, McCarthy would be someone's QB coach without Thompson or Rodgers, Thompson wouldn't be where he is without the other two.

Agree....but mostly its Rodgers.

You still have to win on the football field.

 

GM's select the best football players available

 

Coaches coach the players up & put the players in the best position to succeed

 

Players execute the plays, with perfection if possible

 

You need all 3 to win on the field & you don't win without a good QB

 

2000 Baltimore Ravens.

I don't think he's the best coach in the league, but I think he's the best coach for Green Bay and I'm glad he's here. Do you know what I like most about MM?

 

1) He wants to be here…none of this job shopping or power grabbing that you see with other top coaches and we saw back with Holmgren. He knows his role is to coach and that's what he does…he doesn't meddle or publicly feud with the GM.

 

2) He represents the Packers well. You won't see any of the nonsense with Spygate or Bountygate with the Packers. The guy gets screwed with the worst call of all time in the Fail Mary game and he sends his team out there for the extra point, answers questions, and sends a note to the officiating crew. 

Say what you want about Dilfer but he didn't eff it up when he had the chance & the team around him.

 

I can also add Brad Johnson but they are exceptions to the rule. 2 times over 48 Super Bowls. Long odds indeed

Just messing with ya', Boris. 

 

I know what you're saying, and just about every QB that's been in the Super Bowl is at least "good", if not great.  Although Dilfer was pretty average even as a "game manager" that season.  His 75 QB Rating and equal TDs to INTS wasn't very good. 

 

The 2000 Ravens were definitely the exception to the rule.