Mighty Green Bay Packers 2024 OLine

@Ghost of Lambeau posted:

But I also think GB wants to max out their versatility.  I look at all the player OL movement in OTAs as getting players a look at different positions to see who might play where.  It is seeing them play up close and in a pro context as opposed to college.  The coaches will look at the film after minicamp and make some decisions - I suspect.

In one of the articles, Stenovich says: you want to introduce all of these different positions in OTAs so that by the time you get to TC, they've seen it before. Its not new. The Packers like versatile players and they have a process to teach them in deliberate steps

In TC they work on multiple positions so their coaches have film + teaching points - as you noted. And once again, the players will have seen it before.
By the time the season starts, the Packers have a full dossier of film and coaching points on all of them, and that gives them max flexibility to get through a season

Ex: "This guy does this really well, but he struggles with that"

So if this guy has to come into a game or switch positions, they know which type of plays he will excel at vs no adjustments at all. ( we do what we do)

One more note: On Sunday - you can dress 48 IF  you have 8 active OL. Otherwise, you only get 47 dudes on game day. The NFL did this to help keep the starting OL safe ( FG / Punt units) while giving back-ups a chance to play real NFL snaps and develop into starters.

"Let's say the Packers were planning on having Zach Tom and Rasheed Wallace as the starting OTs."

As Rasheed Wallace would say,  Ball don't lie.    Tauscher said yesterday the Pack should stop trying Morgan at G and leave him at tackle.

We tried to sign a UFL guard but he went with the Patriots

https://www.acmepackingcompany...e-signing-2024-visit

From ESPN: 

25. Green Bay Packers -- Jordan Morgan, T, Arizona

How he has fared so far: Morgan hasn't hidden his desire to play left tackle. But at this point, the Packers haven't settled on a spot for him. This offseason, he took turns at every spot on the offensive line except center. The Packers prefer to cross-train all their offensive linemen. "We've done that with most of our players, and once we get closer to settling in on who those five guys will be, I think you'll see him at that position more and more often," Packers coach Matt LaFleur said. -- Rob Demovsky

I think Rasheed is the starting LT against the Eagles in Week 1.

What's also interesting is that if Morgan has made it known that he wants to be the LT yet he's had to play all along the line, how open is he to learning new things? Most guys say they'll play wherever the coaches put them as long as they see the field. If Rasheed fends Morgan off as the season starts and goes on, Morgan may have to understand that if he wants to play, he needs to learn more than just LT.

@Fandame posted:

What's also interesting is that if Morgan has made it known that he wants to be the LT yet he's had to play all along the line, how open is he to learning new things?

This is the time of year to learn new things and most of the pupils are swimming face-first in front of the firehose. MLF commented on how they were going to keep pushing Morgan on the mental side and that he's a willing pupil.
The Packers want versatile OL, this is all part of that process for the players and the OL coaches.

Film playing 4 spots = coaching points at 4 spots, including footwork, hands, assignments. Then these guys can head off for the summer with lots of individual shit to work on.

@Satori posted:

Let's say for example that the Packers were as down on Josh Myers as the expert fans are. They are picking at 25 and sitting right there is Graham Barton, the top OC in the draft. The Packers took a pass. They also took a pass on JPJ in round 2

Let's say the Packers are as down on Sean Rhyan as the expert fans are. They are picking at 25 and the highly rated Graham Barton is available. The Packers took a pass. They took a pass on other guards in the 3rd, 4th, 5th

I don't necessarily disagree, but there are a couple of things we should also keep in mind:

1. Positional Value - If Barton is seen as an interior player with limited tackle upside, that hurts his perceived value.

2. Barton apparently also has a degenerative condition in his knee. He'll likely be fine for a while, but that knee likely turns to pudding before he has one of those long NFL lineman careers.

Here's an interesting update from Ourlads, they're one of the better sites out there when it comes to being current on depth charts. Below is a recent change for the Packers OL on their end  - and I think you can make a compelling argument that this would be the best 5 for GB.
You can make other arguments too

At back up OT, I think I'd lean Jones/Tenuta over Dillard/Jones but I understand wanting NFL experience at that spot.

https://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/archive/285/GB

@Satori posted:

Here's an interesting update from Ourlads, they're one of the better sites out there when it comes to being current on depth charts. Below is a recent change for the Packers OL on their end  - and I think you can make a compelling argument that this would be the best 5 for GB.
You can make other arguments too

At back up OT, I think I'd lean Jones/Tenuta over Dillard/Jones but I understand wanting NFL experience at that spot.

https://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/archive/285/GB

Have the Packers even worked out Josh Myers at OG? I had not heard that, but it doesn't mean they haven't...

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Here's one from Rob Reischel at Forbes, talking about RG Sean Rhyan- and of you read the article there are comments from Gute, MLF and OL coach Butkus on his improving play and conditioning

https://www.forbes.com/sites/r...-no-20---sean-rhyan/

Rhyan started the 2023 season where he spent the 2022 campaign — on the bench. By midseason, though, he had impressed enough during practice and began platooning with former Packer Jon Runyan.

From Week 9 on, Rhyan played 183 snaps at right guard, didn't allow a sack and didn't have a penalty. According to league data, the Packers averaged 0.78 more yards per rushing attempt with Rhyan on the field versus when he wasn’t in the lineup.

In March, Runyan signed a three-year, $30 million free agent contract with the New York Giants, leaving the door open for Rhyan to win the right guard job in 2024.

“I think it was good getting out on the field and kind of, I guess, confirming what the coaches drafted me for is playing football,” Rhyan said. “So I think it's going to end up working (in 2024), just kind of give me a little bit of a taste, give me something to kind of strive for … and just kind of give me a little bit of excitement into (this) year.”

From S I most underrated player on each team:

Green Bay Packers

Zach Tom, tackle

There’s a great cutup of Tom versus T.J. Watt from the team’s Week 10 loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers available on YouTube, which I think illustrates why I like Tom so much. He played against a lot of really talented pass rushers last season and blanked most of them. But Watt, in my mind, is still the gold standard. In that game, Green Bay didn’t go through any kind of extraordinary effort to help Tom or provide him with training wheels. In fact, most of the time I noticed the use of a running back or receiver to chip took place when Tom had another assignment and wasn’t going to be matching up on Watt. Also, as an aside, when he pulls from one side of the line to the other and makes contact, you can feel it through the television screen. Absolutely brutal.

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Here are weekly snap counts for Sean Rhyan - it looks like he started out getting 1-2 drives per game...then bumped up to about 50% of offensive snaps by the end of the season. And once the season ended, Runyan left.

If Rhyan can master the mental part of all the stunts/twists the various pass rushers throw at him - he's a solid option at RG. He also has favorable drive skills in the run game. He's a bully in there sometimes.

Hoping someone provides some cut ups of Rhyan from last season. We were all really excited about the pick.

He's no cut-up. Appears to be very serious about the job.

Something needs to be cut up.

I believe that pic was rookie year, last year his hair was much shorter, if I recall correctly

My take on Rhyan is that he suffered from the old "you only have one chance to make a good first impression". He came to his first camp terribly out of shape and unprepared, which put him in the coaching staff's doghouse. It took him a year and a half to get out.

@ammo posted:

From S I most underrated player on each team:

Green Bay Packers

Zach Tom, tackle

There’s a great cutup of Tom versus T.J. Watt from the team’s Week 10 loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers available on YouTube, which I think illustrates why I like Tom so much. He played against a lot of really talented pass rushers last season and blanked most of them. But Watt, in my mind, is still the gold standard. In that game, Green Bay didn’t go through any kind of extraordinary effort to help Tom or provide him with training wheels. In fact, most of the time I noticed the use of a running back or receiver to chip took place when Tom had another assignment and wasn’t going to be matching up on Watt. Also, as an aside, when he pulls from one side of the line to the other and makes contact, you can feel it through the television screen. Absolutely brutal.

Tom plays a lot smerter than his age. Against Watt, he used Watt's speed and aggression against him and carried Watt past the play early in the game. Tom also keeps his feet moving, which is a much harder skill than many players/fans realize. You can see that as the game went on, Watt had to adjust to Tom's play and try to figure out how to attack him. Only then was Tom a little slow making his own adjustments. It was quite a chess battle.

Where Watt did have some success was when Tom got tired and too upright and slightly off-balance. If Tom comes back stronger and in a little better shape this year, he'll be an all-pro.

The only wrench may be if Tom gets shifted to center. He's said he's not in favor of the move, so we'll see where he ends up.

Here's more on Rasheed Walker and his 2023 performance:

https://zonecoverage.com/2024/...-for-rasheed-walker/

And some more suggestions on Best 5 from Andy Herman:

"Man I love me some Rasheed Walker. Hope he still finds his way into the “best 5” even with them drafting Morgan.

I’m telling you – give me:
Walker – Morgan – Myers – Jenkins – Tom OR
Walker – Morgan – Jenkins – Rhyan – Tom"

I don't remember any other time in recent memory that we could make so many different OL alignments... and have a compelling argument for each.
There's going to be a lot of breathless tweets come August when they start lining em up.

@Fandame posted:

What's also interesting is that if Morgan has made it known that he wants to be the LT yet he's had to play all along the line, how open is he to learning new things? Most guys say they'll play wherever the coaches put them as long as they see the field. If Rasheed fends Morgan off as the season starts and goes on, Morgan may have to understand that if he wants to play, he needs to learn more than just LT.

No surprise that he wants to play LT, that's where the $$$$ is.

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In yesteryear ? Perhaps
1st round rookies now get a fully guaranteed 4 yr deal regardless of where they play along the line. By the time his 5th year option comes up in 2028, guards will be making as much as LTs are today. Its a non-factor

Jordan Morgan wants to play LT because he spent years in college refining his LT skills - - and was rated very highly by scouts for those efforts. Plus, nobody likes to go back to square one - especially when making the leap to the NFL. He says he will gladly move if that's how it shakes out, but his preference is LT.

The Packers do draft college LTs and move them inside, but most of those guys couldn't hang at LT even if they wanted to. That's not the case with Morgan

Gary, Smith and Clark will find out what he's got... once the pads go on

Go Packers  

I think he meant second contract money.

@lovepack posted:

I think he meant second contract money.

That you needed to post that for his edification is kind of sad. Also, if he plays LT and is elite, he will force an extension or will force a trade to get paid. And guards will be making as much as elite LT's? Not in Green Bay, at least.

I don't see Morgan beating anyone out in training camp.  He's just a rookie after all.  The only way I can see it is if Myers gets demoted and Tom takes his spot, but I don't see that either.

I see Morgan being eased in to the lineup slowly and given an opportunity to prove himself.  I don't see them throwing him to the wolves.  The Pack has enough good line options to not need to do that.

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Elgton Jenkins plays in Green Bay
Elgton Jenkins plays left guard in Green Bay
Elgton Jenkins is the 4th highest paid guard and tied for the 11th highest paid OT by APY out of 64 starters in the entire league.
Elgton seems to be doing just fine getting paid at OG in Green Bay, WI

Its true, you can look it up. 

quod erat demonstrandum

@vitaflo posted:

I don't see Morgan beating anyone out in training camp.

That's fair

Walker has the incumbent advantage going into the LT competition so its going to take a heck of a camp to displace him. A dozen padded practices is all Morgan gets to show his mettle. Packers rolled with rookie Bulaga at RT in 2010, but I don't remember who he displaced

@Satori posted:

Packers rolled with rookie Bulaga at RT in 2010, but I don't remember who he displaced

Per Wikipedia:

Mark Tauscher started at Right Tackle in the Packers' first four games of the 2010 season until he suffered a shoulder injury in a Week 4 matchup against the Detroit Lions. He was placed on injured reserve on November 12, 2010.

He was released by the team on July 29, 2011.

@ilcuqui posted:

Per Wikipedia:

Mark Tauscher started at Right Tackle in the Packers' first four games of the 2010 season until he suffered a shoulder injury in a Week 4 matchup against the Detroit Lions. He was placed on injured reserve on November 12, 2010.

He was released by the team on July 29, 2011.

This is often how these things go.  If you have a decent lineup, rookies get major playing time when someone gets injured.  It's also how John Michels (1st round pick) got playing time as a rookie after Ken Ruettgers got injured.

@Satori posted:

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Elgton Jenkins plays in Green Bay
Elgton Jenkins plays left guard in Green Bay
Elgton Jenkins is the 4th highest paid guard and tied for the 11th highest paid OT by APY out of 64 starters in the entire league.
Elgton seems to be doing just fine getting paid at OG in Green Bay, WI

Its true, you can look it up. 

quod erat demonstrandum

Jenkins has played (very well) several places on the line, so has an additional value that is rare.

Top LT's get the biggest deals, ask Bakh.

@Satori posted:

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Elgton Jenkins plays in Green Bay
Elgton Jenkins plays left guard in Green Bay
Elgton Jenkins is the 4th highest paid guard and tied for the 11th highest paid OT by APY out of 64 starters in the entire league.
Elgton seems to be doing just fine getting paid at OG in Green Bay, WI

Its true, you can look it up. 

quod erat demonstrandum

That you needed to post that for his edification is kind of sad.

here's Bill Huber with his depth chart and breakdown of the 2024 OLine

https://www.si.com/nfl/packers...ve-line-01j2pqxrge58

...When former All-Pro David Bakhtiari was unable to play past Week 1, Rasheed Walker was thrust into the starting lineup.

He finished 47th out of 80 offensive tackles in PFF’s pass-blocking efficiency and allowed six sacks but pitched a shutout against Micah Parsons and Nick Bosa in the playoffs."

Still ascending.

Like Love, he improved as tge season went on.

ranking the NFL's best offensive lines:

1. Lions
2. Falcons
3. Browns
4. Eagles
5. Chiefs
6. Jets
7. Packers
8. Colts
9. Bengals
10. Vikings
11. Broncos
12. Bears
13. Rams
14. Texans
15. Chargers
16. Ravens
17. 49ers
18. Raiders
19. Bucs
20. Steelers
21. Panthers
22. Bills
23.…

— Warren Sharp (@SharpFootball) July 13, 2024

Jets at 6, eh? Maybe Rodgers will get a first down before his season ends.

@Boris posted:

ranking the NFL's best offensive lines:

1. Lions
2. Falcons
3. Browns
4. Eagles
5. Chiefs
6. Jets
7. Packers

— Warren Sharp (@SharpFootball) July 13, 2024

I wonder which OL lineup they ranked ?

Morgan-Jenkins-Myers-Tom-Walker
Morgan-Jenkins-Tom-Rhyan-Walker
Walker-Jenkins-Myers-Morgan-Tom
Walker-Myers-Jenkins-Rhyan-Tom
Morgan-Myers-Jenkins-Walker-Tom
Walker-Jenkins-Tom-Rhyan-Morgan
Morgan-Jenkins-Tom-Myers-Walker
Tom-Jenkins-Myers-Morgan-Walker
?-?-?-?-?

Could be the whole body of work

Where is Walker-Jenkins-Meyers-Rhyan-Tom?  Those guys basically finished the year that way. That is what I'm going with until proven otherwise.

Exactly .... as we've seen in the past, once a guy earns a starting spot it takes a lot for someone to supplant them.... usually injury.