I just hope he learns quick enough before to take advantage of the core group of players he currently has to work with. Not sure how long term some of the key players are signed for, but seasons pass by quickly on contracts.
Since the Packers' playoffs start this Sunday, this might be a good chance to evaluate him.
Just curious as to what coach you want instead of MM and what GM do you want?
Can you specifically start posting solutions instead of PMS whining?
Can you specifically start posting solutions instead of PMS whining?
quote:Raji made some plays last night, hell of a job. He sacked the quarterback once on a good move and the other time he went in completely unblocked (respect). However, we got thrashed on the ground - again - and he is a big part of that run D. Last season, when Raji wasn't the dedicated Nose- we did a hell of a lot better against the run. Yes, we are missing some people.. but no, it shouldn't be as dramatic of a drop off as it has. You will not win the battle with me on this one, Raji needs to step his game up.
diggr, you sure have a penchant for riding dead horses.
do you think maybe, just maybe, having a two handed healthy Cullen Jenkins next to Raji all season would have made a bit of a difference?
The Pats didn't beat us because of their running game even tho they broke one. We beat ourselves.
Raji plays probably his best game of the year and you're still pissy as a cat in a bathtub.
http://www.pro-football-refere.../coaches/GrudJo0.htm
John Gruden took Tampa in his first season to the Super Bowl on a team he inherited doing nothing with the offense.
3 of his 5 career playoff wins came that year and has a 95-81 career record.
John Gruden took Tampa in his first season to the Super Bowl on a team he inherited doing nothing with the offense.
3 of his 5 career playoff wins came that year and has a 95-81 career record.
I don't want a different coach -- I want this one to do two things: 1)give up playcalling to a competent OC who is not a friend to MM, and 2)fire Slocum and Campen. If he does those things, I think he can survive a very long time, because he has learned on the job except for those blind spots.
MM has addressed the penalties, he has put the mindset of "injuries and bad refs will happen and it's not an excuse to not play well" into the team, and except for one or two instances this year he has had the team ready to go, etc. But his playcalling at times is totally baffling; his loyalty to some clearly underachieving coaches is admirable on a friendship level but a killer on a professional level; and his inability to have this team put the hammer down on an opponent is, IMHO, due to his worrying more about calling plays than the overall team mentality.
As for TT, I want him to stay for a long time. He rid us of TOG just in time before he imploded; he has drafted fairly well to excellent; and he has managed to keep us competitive by finding guys to fill in during this Year of the Injury and who have kept us in the playoff hunt (with help from the very capable Capers especially). Those kinds of GMs are rare. Can you imagine if this kind of year had happened, say, to the Queens or Bolts or most other teams? I kind of like Taciturn Ted right where he is.
I hope TT steps in and lays it on the line with MM, and makes Capers sign an airtight, lock-and-key contract.
MM has addressed the penalties, he has put the mindset of "injuries and bad refs will happen and it's not an excuse to not play well" into the team, and except for one or two instances this year he has had the team ready to go, etc. But his playcalling at times is totally baffling; his loyalty to some clearly underachieving coaches is admirable on a friendship level but a killer on a professional level; and his inability to have this team put the hammer down on an opponent is, IMHO, due to his worrying more about calling plays than the overall team mentality.
As for TT, I want him to stay for a long time. He rid us of TOG just in time before he imploded; he has drafted fairly well to excellent; and he has managed to keep us competitive by finding guys to fill in during this Year of the Injury and who have kept us in the playoff hunt (with help from the very capable Capers especially). Those kinds of GMs are rare. Can you imagine if this kind of year had happened, say, to the Queens or Bolts or most other teams? I kind of like Taciturn Ted right where he is.
I hope TT steps in and lays it on the line with MM, and makes Capers sign an airtight, lock-and-key contract.
quote:Originally posted by TD:
Just curious as to what coach you want instead of MM and what GM do you want?
Can you specifically start posting solutions instead of PMS whining?
Searched a number of posts previous to this one and didn't find the whiner. To which post did you refer?
They really miss the range and big play ability of the rook safety Burnett tooquote:Originally posted by Scott44:
Im saying the loss of Ryan Grant and Jeramichael Finley is killer on offense. Brad jones and Cullen Jenkins being out of defense hurts. Its hard to finish with guys you have to bring in from the street.
I was caught in a snowstorm in Boston yesterday afternoon and listened to two hours of local sports radio. The afternoon guy is a former Milwaukee-ite and he said that the Packers are a classic case of an excellently coordinated team and poorly coached team. (And he said that yes he does watch them every weekend.)
In other words, McCarthy can coordinate with the best of them (the game plan) but can't think on his feet (how in the hell do you run out of time with 3:48 to go on the 50 yard line with two time outs. Or run out of time with one time out on the Pats 35 with 1:24 to go.)
I think that's a valid point given McCarthy's body of work.
Do we like the Pack to be competitive - then keep McCarthy. Do you want them to win a Super Bowl - then fire McCarthy. He will never get the Pack there. (And I don't care who is hurt or how many of them are hurt, blah, blah, blah. This is about the team always just being a little mentally off in every game.)
In other words, McCarthy can coordinate with the best of them (the game plan) but can't think on his feet (how in the hell do you run out of time with 3:48 to go on the 50 yard line with two time outs. Or run out of time with one time out on the Pats 35 with 1:24 to go.)
I think that's a valid point given McCarthy's body of work.
Do we like the Pack to be competitive - then keep McCarthy. Do you want them to win a Super Bowl - then fire McCarthy. He will never get the Pack there. (And I don't care who is hurt or how many of them are hurt, blah, blah, blah. This is about the team always just being a little mentally off in every game.)
I'm with Fandame et. al. regarding the play-calling duties... MM has too much on his plate to handle this during games. Just look at some of the critical red-zone possessions the Pack has pissed away TD opportunities because of a lack of imagination at the goal line and it's no wonder we're losing close games.
Was anyone else screaming at the TV when Kuhn was handed the ball twice in a row on a first and goal at the two against the Pats? OK- Kuhn had been effective to that point, but a play fake on 2nd down with a run/pass option for Flynn had to be better than contesting Wilfork on consecutive plays. Same crap happened against Atlanta. And I still can't believe we go for an all-or-nothing touch pass by a back-up QB on 4th & 1 against the Lions when a quick slant pass would have done the job.
MM can call plays, it's just more difficult with everything else a HC does. BTW- the opening KO onside kick against NE was the ST highlight of the year for me. No way can I disparage our coach or teams effort.
Was anyone else screaming at the TV when Kuhn was handed the ball twice in a row on a first and goal at the two against the Pats? OK- Kuhn had been effective to that point, but a play fake on 2nd down with a run/pass option for Flynn had to be better than contesting Wilfork on consecutive plays. Same crap happened against Atlanta. And I still can't believe we go for an all-or-nothing touch pass by a back-up QB on 4th & 1 against the Lions when a quick slant pass would have done the job.
MM can call plays, it's just more difficult with everything else a HC does. BTW- the opening KO onside kick against NE was the ST highlight of the year for me. No way can I disparage our coach or teams effort.
I've never been a fan of GMs micromanaging coaches and if TT feels MM shouldn't be calling plays he needs to find a new coach. It's part of who he is as a coach and he obviously feels it gives the team the best shot at winning and I don't see him ever relinquishing the play-calling duties.
quote:Originally posted by mikestaple:
I was caught in a snowstorm in Boston yesterday afternoon and listened to two hours of local sports radio. The afternoon guy is a former Milwaukee-ite and he said that the Packers are a classic case of an excellently coordinated team and poorly coached team. (And he said that yes he does watch them every weekend.)
In other words, McCarthy can coordinate with the best of them (the game plan) but can't think on his feet (how in the hell do you run out of time with 3:48 to go on the 50 yard line with two time outs. Or run out of time with one time out on the Pats 35 with 1:24 to go.)
I think that's a valid point given McCarthy's body of work.
Do we like the Pack to be competitive - then keep McCarthy. Do you want them to win a Super Bowl - then fire McCarthy. He will never get the Pack there. (And I don't care who is hurt or how many of them are hurt, blah, blah, blah. This is about the team always just being a little mentally off in every game.)
Interesting opinion - I think it sums MM up pretty well. But how hard would it be to hire someone to sit in a booth to tell MM when to take his timeouts?
quote:Do you want them to win a Super Bowl - then fire McCarthy. He will never get the Pack there.
What IS your timeline?
So the Packers obviously should look at hiring Brian Bellick, John Gruden, and Dick Vermeil?
Many people also thought Tony Dungy wouldn't win a Super Bowl because he couldn't win close games too.
quote:Originally posted by Tdog:
Raji plays probably his best game of the year and you're still pissy as a cat in a bathtub.
I like how you evaulate Raji as having the best game of his year when 1 of his two sacks he made unblocked. The other one was legit. They both count on paper, however, we got crushed on the ground (again). That has been the same old story all season. It was nice to see him play hard for the first 2 series of the game though. After that is was back to collecting the paycheck.
quote:Originally posted by TD:quote:Do you want them to win a Super Bowl - then fire McCarthy. He will never get the Pack there.
What IS your timeline?
So the Packers obviously should look at hiring Brian Bellick, John Gruden, and Dick Vermeil?
Many people also thought Tony Dungy wouldn't win a Super Bowl because he couldn't win close games too.
McCarthy should be given the job for life. No questions asked. If you question the direction of the franchise.. Timberlake will piss on Chicken's Cheerios.
Do you act as dumb in real life as on here? I ask a question about who you would hire as coach and GM, yet you put on the Dum Dum chirade. Again, can you be the forum genyus and give me some names?
The Packers allowed 113 yards rushing. Nice analysis.
Did you watch the play? He ran right through the OL showing speed.
Again, you talked about his lack of sacks last year WITH THE #1 Ranked run D. Now he had 5 1/2 sacks this year as a NT and he sucks?
The Packers allowed 113 yards rushing. Nice analysis.
quote:I like how you evaulate Raji as having the best game of his year when 1 of his two sacks he made unblocked.
Did you watch the play? He ran right through the OL showing speed.
Again, you talked about his lack of sacks last year WITH THE #1 Ranked run D. Now he had 5 1/2 sacks this year as a NT and he sucks?
Some people are not happy unless the Packers have 24 Pro-Bowlers. Diggy is one of them.
McCarthy seems to do a really good job of developing QBs.
He generally has seemingly in-depth game plans and the offense/team is fairly well prepared.
He seems to blow it at times in-game with decision making.
So, he's a good QB coach.
He's a good coordinator.
Is he a good Head Coach?
Yeah, I think so. In-game decisions probably keep him from being great but is he good enough? Maybe. I think he'll have at least another year to show us either way.
He generally has seemingly in-depth game plans and the offense/team is fairly well prepared.
He seems to blow it at times in-game with decision making.
So, he's a good QB coach.
He's a good coordinator.
Is he a good Head Coach?
Yeah, I think so. In-game decisions probably keep him from being great but is he good enough? Maybe. I think he'll have at least another year to show us either way.
quote:Originally posted by ammo:
Some people are not happy unless the Packers have 24 Pro-Bowlers. Diggy is one of them.
Digwad is a twit, it has nothing to do with logic. Look at the clown fabricating his own arguments outside of reality. You're right diggy, nobody will ever "beat you" in a discussion when you manufacture the argument.
Are you not manufacturing an argument right here? Raji has not lived up to his draft status, nor to what this team needs out of him. Do I think he's the worst player in the world? Hell no, but I do expect a lot more out of the guy. And yes, I do expect a pro bowler out of the #9 pick in the draft. At the same time I expected a pro bowler out of the #5 pick in the draft in AJ Hawk. I loved Hawk coming out of college, but he has also been a dissapointment based on expectations. He is having an ok year this season, but if you asked me 4 years ago if I expected a pro bowl out of AJ Hawk by now I would have said no... I would have expected multiple. Guys do bust out and that is fine, but this is a place where we can come and voice our displeasure with them. It's not like us as fans can cut players... this is where we voice our opinion and right now I feel like he is dogging it out there in the same respects as guys we have had in the past at inside tackle positions (notably Clet Hunt).
quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
Raji has not lived up to his draft status, nor to what this team needs out of him.
I've asked before, who is better suited to do his job in the 3/4?
quote:Originally posted by pablopackerfan:
Post pad.
If MM is willing to cut Slocum loose, he deserves more time. If MM is loyal to Slocum and decides to keep him on his staff, that's a big problem. Some head coaches value loyalty over competence and it often tends to be their downfall. I remember all the debates here a few years ago on when Sherman stood by Tom Rossley. Jim Mora's days at Indy were numbered when he stood by his DC Vic Fangio (despite the fact that the Colts D ranked at or near the bottom of the league at the time).
I hope for the sake of the Packers that MM is not that stubborn.
I hope for the sake of the Packers that MM is not that stubborn.
Armored.....
You are an astute and erudite member of X4 despite your team allegiance,
Can you kill Deep Chicago for me (us)?
You are an astute and erudite member of X4 despite your team allegiance,
Can you kill Deep Chicago for me (us)?
Thanks for the kudos, BK. As for the second part of your post, there will be no need: Once the Bears implode in the playoffs, you'll witness despair in Chi-Town on the level of Queens fans this year. The rest will take care of itself. 
MM has proved he'll fire coaches when things don't go right (ie: defensive coordinator). He's even shown a willingness to hire a coordinator that might be perceived as a head coaching threat (ie: Capers).
I'm ok with giving Slocum his 2 year shot, but it's clear he isn't up to the challenge. Cut him and Campen loose after the year and I'll be happy.
I'm ok with giving Slocum his 2 year shot, but it's clear he isn't up to the challenge. Cut him and Campen loose after the year and I'll be happy.
quote:And yes, I do expect a pro bowler out of the #9 pick in the draft
Well, that would mean if all picks in the top 9 meet expectations (which is to be expected!), assuming none of these pro bowlers opted to retire after (say) 5 years, you've got 45 pro bowlers right there - to be expected, right?
Diggr, your expectations are irrational. All you have to do is submit your expectations to rigorous assessment. Go back 20-30 years, track the draft choices, and determine the average quality level by draft position.
You would find that your expectations are sheer fantasy.
Raji is a fine player, imo.
quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
It's not like us as fans can cut players... this is where we voice our opinion and right now I feel like he is dogging it out there in the same respects as guys we have had in the past at inside tackle positions (notably Clet Hunt).
Or maybe he was just an over achiver in college and doesn't have the skills to be a Pro Bowler. It's not his fault he was drafted where he was. High draft choices are as likely to be not a good as 4th rounders are as being Pro Bowlers. Hawk is not dogging it as Hunt did. He played hurt most of last year, when we needed Hunt the worst he took himself out and folded like a paper doll. Piss poor analogy if you ask me. But of course it came from diggy.
quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
... I do expect a lot more out of the guy. And yes, I do expect a pro bowler out of the #9 pick in the draft.
The guy's just getting his career going. Wilfork and Hampton didn't make the Prob Bowl until after their third year. Wilfork has 7.5 sacks in his seven year career and Hampton has 9 in a ten year career. Raji already has 6.5 in two years.
Raji is fine and is only going to get better. I can't understand where your disappointment is coming from.
It comes from pulling a point out of his ass and then, rather than simply stating that he misspoke or was premature in his knee-jerking, choosing to take a relentless pounding of facts and grasping at pure fantasy to avoid reality. Arguing these types of idiotic issues is a waste of time.
quote:Originally posted by JJSD:
It comes from pulling a point out of his ass and then, rather than simply stating that he misspoke or was premature in his knee-jerking, choosing to take a relentless pounding of facts and grasping at pure fantasy to avoid reality. Arguing these types ofidioticidotic issues is a waste of time.
FTFY!!
Just so we're clear - I don't think Diggy is a troll. I think he honestly believes what he posts when he posts it for the most part, but can't bring himself to simply admit he was wrong. So be it. Beyond that, what's the point? Let him say what he wants - he's not breaking any board rules these days - and engage in conversation with folks who can look at things from outside their own preconceived agendas. Simple as that. All the fuss is much ado about nothing.
quote:Originally posted by phaedrus:
Diggr, your expectations are irrational.
Irrationalxnail+head=Digdum
quote:Originally posted by mikestaple:
Do we like the Pack to be competitive - then keep McCarthy. Do you want them to win a Super Bowl - then fire McCarthy. He will never get the Pack there. (And I don't care who is hurt or how many of them are hurt, blah, blah, blah. This is about the team always just being a little mentally off in every game.)
That's the way I've seen it for the last year or two. McCarthy's a good coach - probably better than most - but I'm convinced he doesn't have what it takes to be a great coach, or even a very good coach. I think that what we've seen from him is pretty much all there is. Great coaches find a way to win, McCarthy always seems to find a way to just come up short. I don't believe we'll ever win a Super Bowl with him, unless we're fortunate enough to get there against another middle-of-the-road coach like him.
Who was a better game day coach, MM or Sherman?
