Mike Neal / Dezman Moses / House

Wow, so Shields makes a couple bad judgement calls on coverage OR a couple misscommunications by the unit as a whole and a one armed man is supposed to take his corner spot?

I'm starting to wonder just how "one armed" he'll be once he finally gets back on the field. With how long he's sat out, I'm thinking he's going to be healed up pretty well once he returns (they may have learned something from Tramon's issues last year). I'm not down on Shields yet, he just needs to realize he screwed up, and get a lot of film study with Capers and the DB coaches while prepping for the next game.

....I really wonder if capers overestimates the mental ability of some of our players to play the zones he puts in. Seems like ALOT of confusion out there?

I'll leave the schemes up to the experts in Lambeau, but I think this defense performs better in man-to-man coverage rather than zone. For whatever reason, when GB plays zone defense guys aren't just open, they're WIDE open.

Anybody been able to focus on Neal the last several games and have any comments on his performance? I haven't seen much of the last couple games but have read or heard here or there that he has been coming on lately.

Bueller?

I have nothing to back it up statwise but I agree Pakrz: they play better MtoM. If you got guys that can play good MtoM I don't understand playing zone very much at all.

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Originally posted by DH13:
Anybody been able to focus on Neal the last several games and have any comments on his performance? I haven't seen much of the last couple games but have read or heard here or there that he has been coming on lately.

Bueller?

definitely playing well. Created the first of CM3's sacks.

Neal ia for me a stunning pleasant surprise. Not only is he chalking up serious playing time, he is doing so effectively.

Given his time out for injuries, I am shocked.

Shields back. Woodson coming back. CMIII has returned. Emergence of Heyward. House. On offense, I am sure Jordy will return...

To me, the only concerns are o-line and Crosby in a tight game.

So much like two years ago. So many injuries, but the team got enough returning and gelled at the right time.

I've been very happy with Moses and House. Hadn't been very
impressed with Neal, but I didn't see the last game, and I'm glad
to hear he did well.

Neal appears to be the player that we got a glimpse of several years ago before he suffered his unfortunate spate of injuries. If he can stay on the field he's a disruptive force.

Moses played better than Walden Sunday. More QB pressures, more attention from the line (as in the Giants game).

as a pass rusher, Moses is better than Walden.
Walden's probably just a little better at the run just from experience.
I love Moses but I've seen him get eaten up in the run game.

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Originally posted by michiganjoe:
Neal appears to be the player that we got a glimpse of several years ago before he suffered his unfortunate spate of injuries. If he can stay on the field he's a disruptive force.

He's a great rotation guy who provides pass rush when there are NFL caliber 3-4 OLBs in the game. He kind of disappeared when Matthews was out, but he played well on Sunday with Matthews back in. He's clearly not at the level of Cullen Jenkins yet, but maybe he will be in a year or two.

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Originally posted by Tdog:
as a pass rusher, Moses is better than Walden.
Walden's probably just a little better at the run just from experience.
I love Moses but I've seen him get eaten up in the run game.

When Perry and Bishop get back to provide instant upgrades of the pass rush and run defense from their respective positions, the Packers still need to draft another quality OLB that can get after the QB next year so either Moses or Walden can be cut (along with Zombo), and the other one can be at the bottom of the depth chart. That, combined with another run stuffer DL will instantly place this defense in the top five. The secondary is loaded with talent, and the front seven is only 2 rotational guys away from being filled out (assuming Perry and Bishop can come back at 100%).

No one is cutting Moses anytime soon. Dude has great potential. Draft(undraft?) and develop, BABY.

Just keep Moses away from the desert. And if the Fox River runs red again get the furst-borm outta town!

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Originally posted by Goalline:
No one is cutting Moses anytime soon. Dude has great potential. Draft(undraft?) and develop, BABY.

Yes, he'll probably be the one to stay if they draft another OLB. I'd be happy seeing him stay while Walden and Zombo go.

Moses stays. He's quicker, a better rusher, and has a better motor than Walden. Walden is stouter against the run, but he's probably hit his ceiling. Moses is still on the upswing.

Neal just needs to stay healthy and see more snaps to be another Jenkins. If he can do that, I like what he brings inside. He seems to kick Raji in the butt and get him playing better, too.

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Originally posted by RatPack:
Just keep Moses away from the desert. And if the Fox River runs red again get the furst-borm outta town!

As long as Moses lays down the law - on the field I mean.

Has anyone besides myself noticed brad jones of late? He's not the stout, shed a tackle plug a hole ILB, but in coverage I think he's been as good as anyone the packers have had in some time. I think him and bishop maybe an exciting tandem to look at in the spring.

BJ had 8 tackles against the Bears, but he had 18 tackles against the Lions. So he can tackle too.

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As long as Moses lays down the law - on the field I mean.

"...these 15...OY...these 10 commandements..."

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He's a great rotation guy who provides pass rush when there are NFL caliber 3-4 OLBs in the game. He kind of disappeared when Matthews was out, but he played well on Sunday with Matthews back in.

Neal was also injured the previous several weeks. The stunts he and CM were tandeming on Sunday sound really interesting.

People keep bagging on Walden but he was doing really well when he was part of the Perry - Matthews - Walden rotation. IOW, he was much more effective when his snaps were limited. He's been wearing down since Perry and then Matthews have been out but earlier in the year, he was doing a damn fine job. You do not cut him when Perry gets healthy.

Yeah I'm not sure why anyone would want Walden cut? He's not Clay Matthews, but he's been pretty reliable. If any of the OLBs deserve to be cut it's Zombo. He's struggled in all areas...it would be different if he was stout against the run or was a solid pass rusher, but he's neither.

Walden is on a one year contract, no

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Originally posted by Grave Digger:
Yeah I'm not sure why anyone would want Walden cut? He's not Clay Matthews, but he's been pretty reliable. If any of the OLBs deserve to be cut it's Zombo. He's struggled in all areas...it would be different if he was stout against the run or was a solid pass rusher, but he's neither.

Money.. He is going to be asking for more than Vet minimum.. He will be a backup next season if he is on the team.. TT will pick up a cheaper option in the mid to late rounds or UFA and develop.

He's not going to get more than vet minimum from anywhere except GB. Surely his agent knows that. GB will reward him for his production, but it's not going to be much. He will be back.