Redskins doctor never cleared RG3
I wonder what the consequences of this will be, if anything?
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This would only be a story if Shanahan was caught telling the truth.
He seems like one weird dude.
Looks like a raging psychopath.
Looks like a raging psychopath.
If I remember certain events correctly, Mike Shanahan has had a bit of a problem with the facts at least as far back as 1997...
If the Doctor claims can be backed up the Redskins will sanction by the commissioner. The NFL just has too much possible exposer to lawsuit by former players to afford looking lax on player health and safety issues.
There should be a few questions asked of Shanahan after the game. This could turn into him losing his job. If the doc said not to play him and Shanahan played him anyway and lied about it, if I'm the owner I fire him, and if I'm the commissioner I suspend him for three years or life. This is bigger than bounty gate
Griffin is a big boy. If the doctor says he can't go, he can sit out if he feels like it, even if the coach tells him to get in there. Saying it's bigger than Bountygate or that Shanahan needs to be banned is just ridiculous.
when a medical professional tells you that you're franchise quarterback shouldn't be playing or he could risk further injury to his already gimpy knee, you should listen. And if you don't, you're not a "big boy" or "tough", you're a moron.
If RGIII's knee turns out to be seriously injured and there's some truth behind this story, Shanahan should be fired.
If RGIII's knee turns out to be seriously injured and there's some truth behind this story, Shanahan should be fired.
And his boss is who??? Granted, the man has a lot of money invested in RG3, but Snyder seems like a win at all costs kinda guy too.
Shanahan said in his presser that Andrews cleared RGIII to play. If that's the case then I don't see how you can fault Shanahan.
That field was crap though.
That field was crap though.
quote:Snyder seems like a win at all costs kinda guy too
Snyder has always been more about making money off the 'Skins than fielding a winner.
Shanny just put his franchise's meal ticket for the next decade at risk simply to keep feeding his ego and set the stage for Kyle to succeed him as Redskins' coach.
He should be fired.
quote:Originally posted by bubbleboy789:
Shanahan said in his presser that Andrews cleared RGIII to play. If that's the case then I don't see how you can fault Shanahan.
That field was crap though.
I think we're talking about 2 different times he was cleared to play. Dr. Andrews is saying RGIII was not cleared to play in the game when he suffered the initial injury. Shanahan is quoted as saying Dr. Andrews cleared during that game which Andrews says is not true. Andrews may very well have cleared him to play today at the start, who knows what happened after that.
Shanahan should be fired, and if Danny Boy doesn't fire him, then both should feel the tip of Roger Goodell's boot in their asses.
I think RGIII is mostly to blame. It sounded after the game more like he wanted to stay out there when he basically said, "I'm the QB, the leader of the team, and the guy who gives us the best chance to win." He told Shanahan he was good to go, even though he admitted that the knee buckled on him on the earlier run. RGIII has a point since when he went down for the final time they were down only by 7 and still had a chance. Although, I think they could have had a really good chance to pull it out if they had put in Cousins earlier to let him get in a groove. Call it bravado, call it "guts," call it stupidity, call it career-endangering idiocy, but RGIII has to take a huge chunk of blame.
Should Shanahan have kept him out? Well, he's d****** if he does and the same if he doesn't. If he pulls him and they lose, everyone would be all over him for that; you know, "there's no tomorrow" and all that, especially if it turned out to not be very serious. If he doesn't pull him, he's where he's at now. Cutler was criticized for coming out, yet he might have spared himself a far bigger injury. As one commentator said referencing Cutler/RGIII, "You can't have it both ways."
The guy who should be sweating is Dr. Andrews. He should have done a complete exam of RGIII when he saw him limping that badly and made an informed decision then, not just allowed them to add more tape and send him back out. All Andrews had to do was go to Shanahan and say, "Hey, I need to look him over good. He may miss a series or two." You know, CYA. Docs are usually good at that. In addition, I really wonder if his injury wasn't more serious the first time around even after the MRI and the team just hid it. If so, the NFLFU needs to come down hard.
The lousy center should also be criticized since he probably has trouble snapping his own fingers much less a football. He could be looking for work Monday.
RGIII said afterward that he doesn't think the new injury is serious. He's young and even if it is an ACL, he'll probably heal just fine. In the end, he's given every coach and GM good reason to pause before going to any type of QB option offense.
Should Shanahan have kept him out? Well, he's d****** if he does and the same if he doesn't. If he pulls him and they lose, everyone would be all over him for that; you know, "there's no tomorrow" and all that, especially if it turned out to not be very serious. If he doesn't pull him, he's where he's at now. Cutler was criticized for coming out, yet he might have spared himself a far bigger injury. As one commentator said referencing Cutler/RGIII, "You can't have it both ways."
The guy who should be sweating is Dr. Andrews. He should have done a complete exam of RGIII when he saw him limping that badly and made an informed decision then, not just allowed them to add more tape and send him back out. All Andrews had to do was go to Shanahan and say, "Hey, I need to look him over good. He may miss a series or two." You know, CYA. Docs are usually good at that. In addition, I really wonder if his injury wasn't more serious the first time around even after the MRI and the team just hid it. If so, the NFLFU needs to come down hard.
The lousy center should also be criticized since he probably has trouble snapping his own fingers much less a football. He could be looking for work Monday.
RGIII said afterward that he doesn't think the new injury is serious. He's young and even if it is an ACL, he'll probably heal just fine. In the end, he's given every coach and GM good reason to pause before going to any type of QB option offense.
Did Shanahan hold a gun to RGIII's head before/during the game? If the doctor told him before the game or at any point as it was going on that he needed to sit, it was his personal decision to ignore that advice. I don't particularly care for Shanahan myself, but 90% of the invective directed against him on this forum still seems to stem from the fact that he had the audacity to beat the Packers in Super Bowl XXXII (there also is a lot of anger directed toward John Elway whenever he's mentioned on this forum). The game was 15 years ago, and I got over it completely about 11-12 years ago.quote:Originally posted by lambeausouth:
Shanahan should be fired, and if Danny Boy doesn't fire him, then both should feel the tip of Roger Goodell's boot in their asses.
The team (doctor + coaches) are splitting hairs; meanwhile it's obvious he shouldn't be walking, much less playing professional football. What other info could you possibly need to make a decision?
Regardless, I think the condition of the field contributed to any aggravation of his injury, and for that, they get exactly what they deserve.
How much longer before former players file suit against stadium owners and anyone else they can possibly attach for injuries they blame on field conditions? Player safety, and all that, dontchaknow.
Regardless, I think the condition of the field contributed to any aggravation of his injury, and for that, they get exactly what they deserve.
How much longer before former players file suit against stadium owners and anyone else they can possibly attach for injuries they blame on field conditions? Player safety, and all that, dontchaknow.
Pack-Man, I hear you. But my invective towards Shanahan stems from the fact that he's a lying, arrogant dick.
I don't know if Shanahan is lying or not. I think it's as simple as Shanahan knowing he won't be coaching Robert Griffin for the majority of his career. So do what's needed to win now. His knee is going to be someone elses issue to deal with.
If it's a tear, this would be the second one to the same knee within 4 years. He should have been on the sideline in the second half.
quote:Originally posted by Fandame:
RGIII said afterward that he doesn't think the new injury is serious. He's young and even if it is an ACL, he'll probably heal just fine. In the end, he's given every coach and GM good reason to pause before going to any type of QB option offense.
If it's a tear, this would be the second one to the same knee within 4 years. He should have been on the sideline in the second half.
Not sure but I think if McCarthy was in Shanahan's situation, up two touchdowns and your star rookie qb is limping badly, obviously hurting, the team's franchise player... I think McCarthy pulls him, even if it's a playoff game.
You think MM pulls the starting QB in the first/second quarter??? 
If he's hurt?... yeah. Something odd about that?
quote:Originally posted by PackLandVA:
You think MM pulls the starting QB in the first/second quarter???
quote:Originally posted by Fandame:
I think RGIII is mostly to blame.
Two years ago Jay Cutler determined his knee was too injured to play on in the NFC Championship game and he was (and still is) subjected to ridicule by analysts, players, and fans.
The lesson from that episode was loud and clear -- if you are a competitor, you cannot take yourself out of the game.
This is the problem with injuries in the NFL...it's a lose-lose situation for all those involved. A player benching himself ruins his reputation. A team doctor playing it safe will probably not be a team doctor in the future. And we know what matters most to coaches.
I will say that the one silver lining here is we're talking about a balky knee and not a head injury. Last year Pat Shurmer sent Colt McCoy back out on the field two plays after getting absolutely annhilated by James Harrison. He clearly had a concussion and wasn't medically cleared to return.
Huge difference between Griffin and Cutler. RG already had a brace on his knee, Cutler did not. Cutler did not appear to be limping while on the sidelines, Griffin clearly was. Cutler has a reputation as a pussy, Griffin does not.
Not much of a difference in stupidity between the RGIII and Cutler situations, IMO.
Cutler's for people claiming he was/is the p-word. He may be whiny but his toughness on the field has never been questioned. The stupidity in the RGIII situation is obvious.
Cutler's for people claiming he was/is the p-word. He may be whiny but his toughness on the field has never been questioned. The stupidity in the RGIII situation is obvious.
It's interesting the difference between two professional sports franchises in DC.
The Nationals have a legitimate chance to win it all and shut down their best pitcher (and a guy who can dominate 2-3 games of a 7 game series) due to long-term concerns about his health associated with fatigue (not a clear injury, just fatigue). We'll see if Strasburg is a dominant player for another decade or if they blew a chance to win a World Series. If they would lose Strasburg, it's bad, but they could overcome it.
The Redskins, who I would argue were a longshot to win it all even if they were in the playoffs, played their franchise guy even though it was obvious to anyone watching he was a shell of his normal self. The Redskins have invested a boatload of draft choices into RG3. If he goes down for the long-term, they are screwed for several years.
The media has criticized both organizations.
The Nationals have a legitimate chance to win it all and shut down their best pitcher (and a guy who can dominate 2-3 games of a 7 game series) due to long-term concerns about his health associated with fatigue (not a clear injury, just fatigue). We'll see if Strasburg is a dominant player for another decade or if they blew a chance to win a World Series. If they would lose Strasburg, it's bad, but they could overcome it.
The Redskins, who I would argue were a longshot to win it all even if they were in the playoffs, played their franchise guy even though it was obvious to anyone watching he was a shell of his normal self. The Redskins have invested a boatload of draft choices into RG3. If he goes down for the long-term, they are screwed for several years.
The media has criticized both organizations.
This causes me to think of pitchers getting the hook and they want to stay in.quote:I think RGIII is mostly to blame. It sounded after the game more like he wanted to stay out there when he basically said,
Manager to pitcher: You're done. Get off the ^*$('ing mound.
Easy. Real easy.
quote:Originally posted by phaedrus:This causes me to think of pitchers getting the hook and they want to stay in.quote:I think RGIII is mostly to blame. It sounded after the game more like he wanted to stay out there when he basically said,
Manager to pitcher: You're done. Get off the ^*$('ing mound.
Easy. Real easy.
Yep. Of course RG3 wanted to stay in the game. No player wants to come out. Coach has the final say. It was clear he wasn't right, but Shanny left him out there anyway and to the surprise of nobody, he only made things worse on his knee