Ravens picks don't look quite as good as they did several weeks ago.
Pikes Peak posted:ammo posted:Based on Sunday it sure won't go to Bill O'Brien. IMHO when he did the fake punt he essentially told his defense, "You can't stop them." Took all their confidence away.
That and not going for it and taking the FG. Is he still employed?
I have less of a problem with the taking the FG than I do with the fake punt. Probably the worst part about taking the FG was the fact that right after they made it, their special teams gave up a huge Kick Return that allowed Kansas City to begin to turn the tide. That said, I really don't have a problem in getting points there. Maybe it wasn't a "gutsy" decision, but I don't think that was a terrible decision.
The fake FG though, that looked bad. Just a really bad time to try it and fail. I like Bill O'Brien and think he gets a bad rap, but that particular decision was definitely a bad one and did no favors to his reputation.
The real truth about the game though, the Texans never really did stop the Chiefs even when they were up by 24. The Chiefs stopped themselves those 1st few drives with dropped passes and a fumble. It was just a matter of time before they stopped giving the Texans gifts and once they stopped giving the Texans gifts, the Texans defense was helpless. That was the real story of the game.
Here's a new storyline for the NFCC. We all knew Matt's brother is a coach with SF. Did you also know about the LeFleur-Saleh connection?
Yes I did.
Peter Schrager on NFL Network had a whole cross section of how well both these staffs know each other. Including....
Pettine being HC in Cleveland & his OC was Kyle Shanahan. MLF worked under Shanahan at Redskins, Falcons & Browns.
The incestuous-ness of both staff's is staggering.
So is both those franchise's history of sucksess.
Bumping an old thread. Read an article recently that was hyping Ron Rivera up for another coach of the year award.
LaFluffer has to be shaking his head.
What he has accomplished is nothing short of historic. His record is up there, even better than, the all time greats. Knox, Shula, Seifert and MLF.
Yes, he has Rodgers. But Siefert inherited a Super Bowl winner with, I believe, Steve Young and Jerry Rice.
Belichick and LaFleur should be the top 2 in the conversation.
The only thing MLF is missing are the trophies and rings and he can buy those anywhere.
Belichick is doing it with a rookie QB. Conversation pretty much begins and ends with him.
@BrainDed posted:What he has accomplished is nothing short of historic. His record is up there, even better than, the all time greats. Knox, Shula, Seifert and MLF.
Yes, he has Rodgers. But Siefert inherited a Super Bowl winner with, I believe, Steve Young and Jerry Rice.
MLF was a great hire, but to be considered an all-timer you have to at least get to a Super Bowl. I'd compare him to Marty Schottenheimer right now.
Marty Schottenheimer was one of the winningest regular-season coaches of all time. 4 head coaches that were his assistants went on to win Super Bowls as head coaches (MM, Dungy, Arians, and Cowher). He was a head coach for 21 years and went at least .500 in 19 of 21 seasons. He made 3 AFC title games. In those 3 title games he lost twice by less than one score (to Elway when he was he Browns head coach). One of those games was the one where Ernest Byner fumbled at the 1 going in for a winning TD.
He went 14-2 in his final season as a head coach and was leading the Brady/Belichick Patriots 21-13 well into the 4th quarter when his DB intercepted a pass that would have likely clinched the game, but fumbled during the return. He got fired after that season and never coached again.
Schottenheimer was probably a top 10 coach all-time, but he's not even sniffed the HOF because he didn't get a to Super Bowl. Bud Grant and Marv Levy are in the HOF without winning a Super Bowl, but they got there multiple times. Schottenheimer is not considered an all-time great by the HOF committees because he never got there. MLF is a great coach, but to be considered a historically good coach, you have to get to a Super Bowl. He's young and he has time, but you never know.
And none of that should prevent a candidate being considered for COTY when the voting is done before the SB. "Should".
@MichiganPacker2 posted:MLF was a great hire, but to be considered an all-timer you have to at least get to a Super Bowl. I'd compare him to Marty Schottenheimer right now.
Marty Schottenheimer was one of the winningest regular-season coaches of all time. 4 head coaches that were his assistants went on to win Super Bowls as head coaches (MM, Dungy, Arians, and Cowher). He was a head coach for 21 years and went at least .500 in 19 of 21 seasons. He made 3 AFC title games. In those 3 title games he lost twice by less than one score (to Elway when he was he Browns head coach). One of those games was the one where Ernest Byner fumbled at the 1 going in for a winning TD.
He went 14-2 in his final season as a head coach and was leading the Brady/Belichick Patriots 21-13 well into the 4th quarter when his DB intercepted a pass that would have likely clinched the game, but fumbled during the return. He got fired after that season and never coached again.
Schottenheimer was probably a top 10 coach all-time, but he's not even sniffed the HOF because he didn't get a to Super Bowl. Bud Grant and Marv Levy are in the HOF without winning a Super Bowl, but they got there multiple times. Schottenheimer is not considered an all-time great by the HOF committees because he never got there. MLF is a great coach, but to be considered a historically good coach, you have to get to a Super Bowl. He's young and he has time, but you never know.
I'm talking about the start of a career. Not the whole picture. His winning ways to start a head coaching career are historic.
@BrainDed posted:I'm talking about the start of a career. Not the whole picture. His winning ways to start a head coaching career are historic.
Fair point.
BTW, I read the title of this thread as “MILF will get the shaft”. I was wondering if Fedya was starting to review the good stuff for a change. 
@Dr._Bob posted:The only thing MLF is missing are the trophies and rings and he can buy those anywhere.
Buy? Don’t they grow on trees?
Matt Nagy has one more coach of the year award than MLF.
Just one opinion of individual awards. They are highly flawed and highly colored by opinion. It’s been years since I gave a shit about them. There isn’t a single coach I would take over MLF today. Not even Belichick because of his age and the likelihood he will retire in the next couple of years.
Anyone who coached Mitch to a playoff berth deserves COY consideration.
@PackerHawk posted:38.
Nate Burleson is 40. He was born in August of 1981. My arithmetic shows that he turned 40 about 4 months ago. That makes him 23 when he married his wife - the same age I was when I married.
@Tavis Smiley posted:Just win games and hopefully championships. That’s all that matters.
If MLF wins the SB, he will be PSCOY hands down. Maybe no physical award for that, but us fans could get one made and send it to him to show our appreciation - maybe make it from "The Fans at X4". That might mean more to him anyway. And I imagine that the players might have some fun with it. I know a place that could make one.
GOL - Don't let the Vikings in on the fact you know where go get trophies made.
@Ghost of Lambeau posted:Nate Burleson is 40. He was born in August of 1981. My arithmetic shows that he turned 40 about 4 months ago. That makes him 23 when he married his wife - the same age I was when I married.
Weird. So he's aged 2 years since January of 2020? Strange world we live in.
Maybe if he had been traveling at relativistic speeds he wouldn't have aged two years like the rest of us.
@PackerHawk posted:Weird. So he's aged 2 years since January of 2020? Strange world we live in.
Sorry, I didn't read the date. Maybe I should pay more attention to the details.
This one is from EDJ sports, ranking coaching decisions
Can you provide some context? I'm not familiar with the site or the two categories listed.
Edit - never mind, went to the site and it gave an explanation.
I Saw a blurb before last weeks games where Belichick said Stiff Kingsley was COTY after AZ Coach said Belichick should win every year
Earlier a question was posed about who knew of the connection between Robert Salah and MLF and of course after the Championship game 2 years ago everybody was aware, but there was a interesting story a few weeks ago when the Notre Dame Coach (Brian Kelley) resigned to take a job at LSU. The story was written about Kelleys selfish me first and only me attitude and it talked about when he was a coach at a smaller school and he called two of his grad asst's (Saleh and MLF) to a party. They thought they were invited to the party but instead were given snow shovels to clean the walkways and driveways for the guests- and how this incident reinforced their opinions on how to treat subordinates!
Lack of Pro Bowlers Reinforce LaFleur’s Brilliance
It’s easy to downplay what LaFleur has accomplished. The fact he’s got the reigning MVP at quarterback no doubt will be held against him when voters fill out their ballots for Coach of the Year. But let’s not forget the Rodgers who is destroying defenses now isn’t the Rodgers he inherited.