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Sounds like you're thrilled about football season! Each time MM has had 8 wins or fewer ('06, '08, '13) he's followed it up with a very strong season (13 wins in '07, 11 wins in '09, 12 wins in '14).
I am excited if not for the sole reason MM's management of the coaching staff has been checked. Rodgers is back, Pettine and the defense should infuse some excitement and MM has his binky back in the form of Philbin. Siamese OCs.
Oh yeah, Rodgers is back.
Grave Digger posted:Each time MM has had 8 wins or fewer ('06, '08, '13) he's followed it up with a very strong season (13 wins in '07, 11 wins in '09, 12 wins in '14).
Except for Dom Capers, keeping him around was a mistake
What happens when I have learned all I can from my mistakes? I asked my dad that once, that was just before I had to duck from a hard right.
Fedya posted:So he's going to go for two this time?
Jeff Janis' career vs game against Arizona is the epitome of the song "One Shining Moment."
El-Ka-Bong posted:Except for Dom Capers, keeping him around was a mistake
Who is Dom Capers?
The 2010 Packers defense is such an outlier from anything Dom produced that it’s fully acceptable to argue an internal mutiny took place.
Something happened.
I saw things on that team I haven't seen since the 1980's, and it was every bit as ugly now as then.
It seems out of the ordinary for MM's leadership, but I think the blame for that breakdown begins and ends with himself. Regardless of any influences beyond his control, it doesn't get any worse than players quitting and playing half-assed.
Timmy! posted:Something happened.
I saw things on that team I haven't seen since the 1980's, and it was every bit as ugly now as then.
It seems out of the ordinary for MM's leadership, but I think the blame for that breakdown begins and ends with himself. Regardless of any influences beyond his control, it doesn't get any worse than players quitting and playing half-assed.
I think the one huge simularity from last year's team to the 80's was the defense especially. There are playmakes there on that defense but they were so poorly coached/utilized that I think perhaps in some ways they were just going through the motions. I do agree that the buck stops with the head coach especially keeping Ernest Capers around too long. I am most definately not in the can the MM camp yet but I do think this year could be a make or break year for him.
Anyhow, I for one am really excited to see what Pettine gives the team on the defensive side of the ball. I honestly haven't been this optimistic about the D in a LONG time.
The Heckler posted:I honestly haven't been this optimistic about the D in a LONG time.
So very true.
I was instantly more optimistic about the D the day Dom was finally fired.
Everything I've read about or heard from Pettine since he was hired makes me legitimately think that the D will at least be competent this season.
Hopefully someone will someday provide the full story as to why Capers was allowed to commit defensive coordinator malpractice for so long in Green Bay.
Should have been canned after the Kaepwrnick playoff debacle with our LBs claiming they didn’t even prepare for the read option
The Heckler posted:Anyhow, I for one am really excited to see what Pettine gives the team on the defensive side of the ball. I honestly haven't been this optimistic about the D in a LONG time.
But are you prepared to draft the Packer D for your fantasy team?
Jimmy Graham and Aaron Rodgers playing catch. It’s going to look as simple as that.
It's about time I punched you in the face?
We did that chant on the Bartlett Ave. playground circa 1973...you people™ are old.
I bet Fedya didn't know about that one.
Grave Digger posted:El-Ka-Bong posted:Except for Dom Capers, keeping him around was a mistake
Who is Dom Capers?
Dom Capers is an outstanding football coach, that doesn't change.
If it is considered a novel coaching technique that the DC quiz guys on what their assignments are on the field or call out different offensive formations to see how his guys react and make sure they react properly, then it's no wonder our D under Rug Man was putrid. This just seems like such a basic coaching/teaching technique that it makes me think that guy before Pettine was just collecting a check with and doing as little work as possible.
Dom was a big classroom guy. Never seemed to get into on the field instruction. Was in the tower too much during practices or always in the skybox during games. He needed great hands-on assistants plus on-the-field wizened vets who could take Dom's complicated chalkboard architectures and then make them relevant and applicable to the players on the field. Problem was that after Bishop, Nick, Woodie, Shields and Tramon left we had way too many smart guys who were physically limited (Hawk, Burnett) or good, or fair-to-middling athletes who had problems grasping the playbook and needed smart teammates to get them lined up correctly and on the same page.
Pettine is all about keeping it simple, assignment surety, and execution. His defenses play to individuals' and units' strengths and plays as a unified whole. Plus he wants bangers, hustle and effort on every snap (why rotating players is a staple of his system) and PLAYING WITH EMOTION. He's definitely what GB needs right now.
So basically to run The Wizard's scheme successfully you need an entire defense of ubermensch.
To run Pettine's scheme you need Pettine and motivated players.
I think TT just gave up at some point.
The last few years of TT in the draft room, sippin' on a Bud Light on the rocks, trying to pick a whole defense of wunderkind.
ammo posted:The Heckler posted:Anyhow, I for one am really excited to see what Pettine gives the team on the defensive side of the ball. I honestly haven't been this optimistic about the D in a LONG time.
But are you prepared to draft the Packer D for your fantasy team?
Ummm no not just yet. I have money riding on my FFL team
ilcuqui posted:Dom was a big classroom guy. Never seemed to get into on the field instruction. Was in the tower too much during practices or always in the skybox during games. He needed great hands-on assistants plus on-the-field wizened vets who could take Dom's complicated chalkboard architectures and then make them relevant and applicable to the players on the field. Problem was that after Bishop, Nick, Woodie, Shields and Tramon left we had way too many smart guys who were physically limited (Hawk, Burnett) or good, or fair-to-middling athletes who had problems grasping the playbook and needed smart teammates to get them lined up correctly and on the same page.
Pettine is all about keeping it simple, assignment surety, and execution. His defenses play to individuals' and units' strengths and plays as a unified whole. Plus he wants bangers, hustle and effort on every snap (why rotating players is a staple of his system) and PLAYING WITH EMOTION. He's definitely what GB needs right now.
The playing with emotion part is the thing on defense the Packes have been missing for YEARS. I know I say it all the time but this defense needs that "edge" not dirty but that physical edge that good NFL defenses have. It still is to be proven by Pettine but I think that may finally return.
I wonder how much being in Seattle for a year even made Pettine go more to "simpler is better"? He has stated that the reduced CBA practice time has influenced is paring down of his playbook, but have not heard him mention any Seattle influence. One thing that I have learned in 30+ years in coaching is that many players get what I call "paralyzed by choice"....give them 5 different options and they spend too much time trying to decide which one is appropriate.
So if GB fixes even ONE mistake - will we notice?
That should be the reporters question.
FLPACKER posted:I wonder how much being in Seattle for a year even made Pettine go more to "simpler is better"? He has stated that the reduced CBA practice time has influenced is paring down of his playbook, but have not heard him mention any Seattle influence. One thing that I have learned in 30+ years in coaching is that many players get what I call "paralyzed by choice"....give them 5 different options and they spend too much time trying to decide which one is appropriate.
Agree on "paralyzed by choice." Watch my kid's team and listen to even good rookie coaches and they offer so many choices that kids are running everywhere and unsure which way they should be going. Listen to an experienced coach and he offers one choice, perfects it, then offer the next choice, perfects it, etc. Kids also like practices better because they know what's expected and can feel a sense of accomplishment. NFL players are just bigger boys...
I heard where said this will be the best defense the Packers have had in years.
Well, has been picked off, what, seven times in just a couple practices, so it's either a vastly improved defense or
is going to have a rough year...
Bumpersticker opportunity
