It looks like he is going to opt out (the Bucks offer for a 2 year extension was based on him not opting out).
Maybe the Bucks can get a serviceable player in a sign and trade?
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_...opt-contract-sources
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Count me in that this is good news
He wasn't going to stay in Milwaukee long term anyway so this frees up some cash for someone else. Get Jeff Teague on the horn
He wasn't going to stay in Milwaukee long term anyway so this frees up some cash for someone else. Get Jeff Teague on the horn
File this one in the "I am so surprised I crapped" category...
Probably saved us glass half fullers a lot of grief...
Probably saved us glass half fullers a lot of grief...
Glad. Doesn't want to be here,better option than Jennings but still not a player I would want as a starter or as a focal point of team. Same is with Jennings. Tear it down and start it up again
Ellis had no plans to stay with the Bucks so peace out
Selfish players can hit the road and yes that includes Monta Ellis
Selfish players can hit the road and yes that includes Monta Ellis
Name an unselfish NBAer. Milwaukee is now the vast NBA wasteland. Build with very young talent and hope you get lucky...that is if you don't move outta state soon. WE'RE OPEN FOR BUSINESS!
Pretty much. But it wasn't like he was going to offer anything for his $12M...
I'm not willing to go that far.quote:Originally posted by Music City:
Pretty much. But it wasn't like he was going to offer anything for his $12M...
quote:Originally posted by phaedrus:I'm not willing to go that far.quote:Originally posted by Music City:
Pretty much. But it wasn't like he was going to offer anything for his $12M...
From an on the court perspective, the Bucks got a ton more out of ellis and udoh than they would have gotten out of Bogut. It is not even close and to suggest that Bogut was the better part of the deal over the two year stretch is incorrect.
However, if we did have Bogut this season we probably would have lost 50 games or more which would have put us in the NBA lottery instead of the playoffs. Right now, that probably would look and feel better from a draft pick perspective.
Also, the Warriors are on the hook for Bogut's 14.2M next season.
Ellis opted out of his final year with the Bucks so we have cleared his entire cap number of 11M for next season. Cap relief is another Bonus in this situation.
Ellis opted out of his final year with the Bucks so we have cleared his entire cap number of 11M for next season. Cap relief is another Bonus in this situation.
All the money in the world isn't going to get top notch players to come here given the Buck rep. Not real sure how they'll dig themselves out of this.
Agree with Rasta. What the Bucks need is for a superstar level player to want to play in Milwaukee, but it's a hard sell to get a guy to live in Milwaukee in the winter who is not from here. You'd have to get a guy with ties to Wisconsin at some level. Dwyane Wade would be an example. Problem is, Dwyane Wade wouldn't even look at the Bucks. If a guy who seemed to enjoy his time in Marquette doesn't even look at the Bucks, who else will?
A lot of it is timing and the luck of the draw
San Antonio having one down year and drafting Tim Duncan. Seattle/OKC lucking out that Portland didn't draft Durant. Cleveland winning the lottery and getting LeBron.
Milwaukee won the lottery twice and got Big Dog and Bogut. Good players but not superstars by any stretch. Had they won the lottery in 1992 or 1997 or 2003 or 2008 this franchise probably would have turned out much differently.
San Antonio having one down year and drafting Tim Duncan. Seattle/OKC lucking out that Portland didn't draft Durant. Cleveland winning the lottery and getting LeBron.
Milwaukee won the lottery twice and got Big Dog and Bogut. Good players but not superstars by any stretch. Had they won the lottery in 1992 or 1997 or 2003 or 2008 this franchise probably would have turned out much differently.
I guess the Bucks had their luck in the lottery when they got Kareem. That lead to 6 years of elite basketball. Even after they were forced to trade him, the guys they got in return (namely Bridgeman and Winters) were core players for some decent teams for another 5-7 years.
They also hit on high draft picks in Marques Johnson and Sidney Moncrief in the late 1970s. In fact, from 1969 until 1990 they made the playoffs 19 of 22 years.
They then missed the playoffs the next 7 years which allowed them to get Big Dog and Ray Allen (via the Marbury trade) which allowed them to win over 50 games for the only time in the last 26 years. They've been better than .500 only once since Allen was traded. The year that Bogut shattered his arm.
The 2014 draft is supposed to be one of the best in recent times. I hope we don't overspend for some slightly above average guys that will max us out at 35-40 wins and allow us to get swept by the Heat again in the first round.
They also hit on high draft picks in Marques Johnson and Sidney Moncrief in the late 1970s. In fact, from 1969 until 1990 they made the playoffs 19 of 22 years.
They then missed the playoffs the next 7 years which allowed them to get Big Dog and Ray Allen (via the Marbury trade) which allowed them to win over 50 games for the only time in the last 26 years. They've been better than .500 only once since Allen was traded. The year that Bogut shattered his arm.
The 2014 draft is supposed to be one of the best in recent times. I hope we don't overspend for some slightly above average guys that will max us out at 35-40 wins and allow us to get swept by the Heat again in the first round.
But that doesn't matter because if you track the NBA lottery history I think only 4 times has the worst team (record) won the lottery. So even if you took the approach that "let's tank next year" it doesn't always come out in your favor.
When it does matter is when you hit paydirt and the Bucks have done so twice in the last 20 years. Unfortunately, Big Dog and Bogut were not LeBron or Duncan and that makes a difference.
When it does matter is when you hit paydirt and the Bucks have done so twice in the last 20 years. Unfortunately, Big Dog and Bogut were not LeBron or Duncan and that makes a difference.
quote:It is not even close and to suggest that Bogut was the better part of the deal over the two year stretch is incorrect.
Has it been two years? I thought it was only one.
Money aside (read: and not meaning to discount it), if Bogut could have been able to be well in between his ears (the whole, "He must have a change of scenery" idea), I would prefer having him playing on average ~28m a game. I'll bet at that rate he'd be ~13 rebounds a game and maybe 10-15 points.
Call me crazy, that would be my preference.
It still comes down to making good decisions and Milwaukee has been wildly inconsistent in those areas. The Larry Sanders pick looks great but the Joe Alexander pick looks awful. Brandon Jennings looks like an All Star one night and a D League player another night.
The good news right now is Milwaukee has basically rid itself of bad contracts (minus Gooden but that's workable) and they do have a few pieces of the puzzle but they cannot afford to make any more dumb decisions.
Ellis leaving is great for this team because he was a hired gun and he was set to make a lot of money this year. He was not in their long term plans anyway I think.
I would also send Jennings down the road and get a real point guard like Jeff Teague.
They have Henson and Sanders- two really good looking big men - and Ersan and Udoh and Moute- three solid role players. Get Teague and find a shooting guard that can knock down 3s and this team is respectable.
The good news right now is Milwaukee has basically rid itself of bad contracts (minus Gooden but that's workable) and they do have a few pieces of the puzzle but they cannot afford to make any more dumb decisions.
Ellis leaving is great for this team because he was a hired gun and he was set to make a lot of money this year. He was not in their long term plans anyway I think.
I would also send Jennings down the road and get a real point guard like Jeff Teague.
They have Henson and Sanders- two really good looking big men - and Ersan and Udoh and Moute- three solid role players. Get Teague and find a shooting guard that can knock down 3s and this team is respectable.
Nick van Exel on the staff may be tipping the organization's hand. Since Jennings' game has been compared to NVE, perhaps they intend to develop #3 and stay their current course.
I hope these are all strokes of genius and we're all going to be thanking Hammond down the road. But I have been back and forth in my mind on the Tobias Harris trade, and I think I am back to thinking Hammond made a gigantic mistake. There is reason to have doubt in these moves now...
I hope these are all strokes of genius and we're all going to be thanking Hammond down the road. But I have been back and forth in my mind on the Tobias Harris trade, and I think I am back to thinking Hammond made a gigantic mistake. There is reason to have doubt in these moves now...