I can't see why any side would want this, It's governing freedom, limiting opportunities, and most Americans don't want it.
Unless, of course, you were just a corporate shill, then it makes sense.
Henry posted:Really draining the swamp with all those corporate schills literally ignoring millions of people.
https://act.openmedia.org/ajit...te/donate?src=162148
They are plundering as fast as they can before the inevitable collapse.
Yep, this is "running government like a business", especially when the "businessmen" are neither builders nor thinkers but professional parasites bred to leach assets while legally protected from personal responsibility leaving everyone else with virtually nothing and desperate.
If Net Neutrality goes down, who knows if anyone will be able to access sites like X4 without lengthy delays and slow upload speeds?
Or paying your ISP an additional fee to access "super-duper" content.
Henry posted:Really draining the swamp with all those corporate schills literally ignoring millions of people.
https://act.openmedia.org/ajit...te/donate?src=162148
They are plundering as fast as they can before the inevitable collapse.
Same with killing all the environmental regulations/safe guards. Big oil, big chemical, stepping on the accelerator to cash in as much as possible before it all turns to guano.
Of course, the free flow of information makes sense, and that's why it's got to stop! 
It's scary to think that providers could squash whatever they want, and the government could also make deals/put pressure on companies to put forward only what they want the public to see. With only six major media companies in the world today, the internet with net neutrality is the only thing with a truly free flow of information available to anyone, where you can pick and choose. Democracy, shmockracy. It's big bucks and control first. (Devil's advocate: Yes, of course there's lots of fake news, biases, etc., but at least it's a free flow. Get educated!)
Get educated?......that ship has sailed.
I'm a teacher. Still fighting the good fight! 
As does my daughter and daughter in law. It's not the teachers I'm worried about.
No you don't have to worry about the teachers, but I bet your daughter and daughter-in-law have both addressed net neutrality in their classrooms (provided they teach upper grades). I teach high school and we have absolutely discussed it more than once, as well as addressing how to spot fake news, bias, etc. It's tough to keep up on all of it, plus teach the standard curriculum. But, us teachers tend to be optimistic... BTW, do your daughter and daughter-in-law teach in Wisconsin? I've talked to teachers there and heard some stories of what's happening at the state level and how it's now affecting schools.
Elementary grades, one in Colorado, one in Cali.
Herding cats! 
Fandame posted:No you don't have to worry about the teachers, but I bet your daughter and daughter-in-law have both addressed net neutrality in their classrooms (provided they teach upper grades). I teach high school and we have absolutely discussed it more than once, as well as addressing how to spot fake news, bias, etc. It's tough to keep up on all of it, plus teach the standard curriculum. But, us teachers tend to be optimistic... BTW, do your daughter and daughter-in-law teach in Wisconsin? I've talked to teachers there and heard some stories of what's happening at the state level and how it's now affecting schools.
Do not get me started on what Wanker has done to Wisconsin with his **** storm Act 10. Teachers and other more the qualified people are leaving the State in droves. So much so that they are trying to loosen the qualifications for teachers so that under qualified people CAN TEACH, itâs disgusting. JMHP
I've been teaching 22 plus years in CA and it's always an adventure, but you can make a positive impact no matter what the conditions. I go to national conferences in the summer and have eavesdropped on Wisconsin teacher conversations. Pretty sad all around.
Unfortunately it looks like the ship has sailed and NN is going away.
I can't wait until Spectrum rolls out packages for what sites you get access to.
FFS, FML.
That tax cut I was going to get for a couple of years before it goes away will now go to Comcast for site access so I can do my job. And no, I am not anywhere near the top tax brackets!
I can't wait to hear what big corporations will say when they have to start paying for their employees to research using the net... of course, they will probably find some way around paying.
Of course they will....
Looks like I'm moving out of the U.S. a little sooner than I thought. Mexico & Italy are looking damn good!
Herschel posted:Yep, this is "running government like a business", especially when the "businessmen" are neither builders nor thinkers but professional parasites bred to leach assets while legally protected from personal responsibility leaving everyone else with virtually nothing and desperate.
Corporate America learned lessons very well from Mafioso.
They pay for legislation make it all "legal".
Best racket ever!
As an aside to the teaching comments, I have a 16 year old Granddaughter that has graduation and college on the horizon. I advised her to forget the traditional job market, and go into public service, beginning at the local level.
There's dozens of jobs available; a city or county commissioner and their respective school board positions, full-time pay for part-time work with an obscene benefit package, and she can grow to a State level and beyond if she wants to.
I don't know how current this info is, but this man is the School Superintendent in our county, and has been for many, many years:
Must Be Nice
Info on our County Commissioner salaries. Please note benefits almost double their base salary. Part-time hours.:
Nice Work If You Can Get Itl
Yup. And teachers whine. F that S. Every year my needs and gets another 20 plus million so every kid 'can have an ipad'.
Right.
Don't count teachers as administrators.
That is all I will say at the moment.
I seriously do not know when the teaching profession became the scourge of the employment world. Scary really......and I feel terribly sorry for them.
When the mysterians became the social mantra, society began its downfall.
Academia has brought on safe zones and the concept of 'fill in your own grade' to classes.
Nobody can fail now. Loss is not acceptable. Children don't know how to deal with losing. Losing builds character. It's how one learns to deal with reality.
We're ****ed.
You combined words into sentences
âNobody can fail now. Loss is not acceptable. Children don't know how to deal with losing. Losing builds character. It's how one learns to deal with reality.â
Really???
Cavetoad posted:When the mysterians became the social mantra, society began its downfall.
Academia has brought on safe zones and the concept of 'fill in your own grade' to classes.
Nobody can fail now. Loss is not acceptable. Children don't know how to deal with losing. Losing builds character. It's how one learns to deal with reality.
We're ****ed.
Complete ****ing bull****. Tired tripe that makes you feel better.
Cavetoad posted:When the mysterians became the social mantra, society began its downfall.
Academia has brought on safe zones and the concept of 'fill in your own grade' to classes.
Nobody can fail now. Loss is not acceptable. Children don't know how to deal with losing. Losing builds character. It's how one learns to deal with reality.
We're ****ed.
It's either "find a way to give them passing grades" or you're fired, in many places. It's considered the teacher's fault if the kid fails these days far too often, regardless of all the factors.
"All the factors"....and the worst of all.....****ing Parents.
Cavetoad posted:When the mysterians became the social mantra, society began its downfall.
Academia has brought on safe zones and the concept of 'fill in your own grade' to classes.
Nobody can fail now. Loss is not acceptable. Children don't know how to deal with losing. Losing builds character. It's how one learns to deal with reality.
We're ****ed.
Packdog posted:
"All the factors"....and the worst of all.....****ing Parents.
Safe zones suck, according to almost all my students and every teacher I've talked to about it. I've never seen "fill in your own grade" in any class, ever. Losing being not acceptable is a parent problem for those who don't want to deal with their little ones being disappointed; it's not a kid problem--they know the score. Ask any kid why they're failing a class and they'll straight up tell you: "I didn't do the work."
I'll amend Pdog's statement just a bit: schitty parents. Those who couldn't care less if their kids go to school or do homework; those who use drugs/alcohol to excess; those who are abusive; those who allow their kids to stare at a screen rather than pick up a book or a pencil; etc., etc.
When did teaching start to become a scourge of employment? When someone thought of the saying "Those who cannot do, teach. And those who cannot teach, teach teachers." What if it were "Those who cannot do, operate. And those who cannot operate, teach doctors"?
And everyone today thinks they know what's best for their kid and how their kid learns the best. If they only saw what we see in the classroom...
But, I digress. I'm done with my rant now. I have three days of grading essays, short stories, and other assignments ahead of me.
There was a big scandal in the Atlanta Public Schools just a couple or three years back. The school Superintendent was hired with a contract that included huge bonuses if certain criteria were met, mostly relating to improving test scores in "under-performing" schools.
She created a huge conspiracy to have teachers, principals, and others change test answers to meet these bonus triggers, and collected hundreds of millions of dollars until they were finally busted. And then another one to cover it up as much as possible before the Feds swooped in.
Of course, the poop rolled downhill, and it was teachers that paid for it with prison time for doing what they were told to do or find another profession.
My apologies for taking this thread even further off the rails.
Up with Net Neutrality!
Down with the establishment, man!
Herschel posted:Cavetoad posted:When the mysterians became the social mantra, society began its downfall.
Academia has brought on safe zones and the concept of 'fill in your own grade' to classes.
Nobody can fail now. Loss is not acceptable. Children don't know how to deal with losing. Losing builds character. It's how one learns to deal with reality.
We're ****ed.
It's either "find a way to give them passing grades" or you're fired, in many places. It's considered the teacher's fault if the kid fails these days far too often, regardless of all the factors.
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Fandame posted:Cavetoad posted:When the mysterians became the social mantra, society began its downfall.
Academia has brought on safe zones and the concept of 'fill in your own grade' to classes.
Nobody can fail now. Loss is not acceptable. Children don't know how to deal with losing. Losing builds character. It's how one learns to deal with reality.
We're ****ed.
Packdog posted:
"All the factors"....and the worst of all.....****ing Parents.Safe zones suck, according to almost all my students and every teacher I've talked to about it. I've never seen "fill in your own grade" in any class, ever. Losing being not acceptable is a parent problem for those who don't want to deal with their little ones being disappointed; it's not a kid problem--they know the score. Ask any kid why they're failing a class and they'll straight up tell you: "I didn't do the work."
I'll amend Pdog's statement just a bit: schitty parents. Those who couldn't care less if their kids go to school or do homework; those who use drugs/alcohol to excess; those who are abusive; those who allow their kids to stare at a screen rather than pick up a book or a pencil; etc., etc.
When did teaching start to become a scourge of employment? When someone thought of the saying "Those who cannot do, teach. And those who cannot teach, teach teachers." What if it were "Those who cannot do, operate. And those who cannot operate, teach doctors"?
And everyone today thinks they know what's best for their kid and how their kid learns the best. If they only saw what we see in the classroom...
But, I digress. I'm done with my rant now. I have three days of grading essays, short stories, and other assignments ahead of me.
The anti-education bent is nothing but spite. Grown ****ing adults scared of new ideas at best and in reality more like petty ****s. Let's not try different approaches to education, like expanding it for those who wish to go the technical route, let's just burn it down and make pariahs of the people who get paid **** to give your kid a shot in this world.
You know why parents are ****? They take it for granted on top of they're products of a slowly strangled education system themselves. How many had parents or grand parents who were working Joes that still believed education was of the utmost importance to their kids and grandkids? It was a constant refrain for readin', ritin' and rithmetic'.
My family works extensively in private education. They do everything they can to keep tuition down while delivering top notch education. It's still expensive. Add the roving scam artists setting up charter schools and you either pony up or hope you can find competent education. Betsy DeVos needs to be erased. It doesn't matter the intent of private educators when the education is unattainable to a great chunk of the population.
So let's not work on reform, new ideas or more hands on approach to financing and education. Burn it down. Buy into this horse**** notion that the richest nation in the history of the planet can't afford public works and education but NEEDS to dump half it's budget into empire and call it defense. Been doing it since that POS Reagan. That dunghill rat inspired a nation where Gordon Gecko is a ****ing hero. Where the ideas of industry and education were subverted into "gettin' mine" as a virtue.
Stupid, uninformed people fail. Right now we have a whole segment of the population who wants everyone to be as ****ing stupid and cowardly as they are. The whole lot can **** straight off.
Henry for Secretary of Education!
BTW, I provide tutoring services at my new charter school, which is an immersive environment of degradation and straight up ass whoopin' so your child can learn how to lose properly.
Gimme them vouchers.
A Day That Will Live In Infamy
Good catch. You must be edumactated. Who has odds there's a Fox News story about disrespecting the military?
Wisconsin public school education K-12, school of hard knocks post.
Henry,
While I actually agree with a portion of your vitriolic rant, specifically:
but NEEDS to dump half it's budget into empire and call it defense.
(I could not possibly agree more with the above.)
I wonder how you qualify the US as the richest country. While I think the debt is actually much higher, the official estimate of the national debt exceeds 20.5 trillion or $63,000 per every person in the US.
The corporate federal government has been in bankruptcy I believe 3 times.
Some kind of wealth, dude.
I am gonna guess you do not even know who owes this debt and to whom it is owed. Nor how private central banking works.
The anti-education bent is nothing but spite. Grown ****ing adults scared of new ideas at best and in reality more like petty ****s. Let's not try different approaches to education, like expanding it for those who wish to go the technical route, let's just burn it down and make pariahs of the people who get paid **** to give your kid a shot in this world.
You could be a bit granular. For example, rejection of common core is rampant. As an example (https://verocommunique.com/201...a-in-collier-county/):
OUT OF 52 SCHOOLS IN COLLIER COUNTY, FL MASON CLASSICAL ACADEMY (MCA), A CHARTER SCHOOL, SCORED NUMBER ONE IN ENGLISH LANGUAGE ARTS, WITH 90 PERCENT OF ITS THIRD GRADERS READING PROFICIENTLY, WHILE ONLY 58 PERCENT OF THE OTHER THIRD GRADERS IN THE COUNTY WERE PROFICIENT.
The school rejected common core. A "new idea" better left rejected.
As another example (http://www.bizpacreview.com/20...n-commissioner-96890):
The New York State United Teachers union dealt a major blow to the Common Core curriculum standards at its board meeting Saturday.
The teachersâ union withdrew its support of Common Core and cast a vote of âno confidenceâ in the stateâs Education Commissioner John King, Jr. â calling for his removal.
So when you broad brush "new ideas" as compatible with "Grown ****ing adults scared of new ideas at best and in reality more like petty ****s. Let's not try different approaches to education," you sound like you haven't a clue.
I could go on, but, really, why bother? If your actual intention is to share different ideas in an effective manner, you need to brush up on how to communicate effectively by starting at the bottom (hint: take Class 001 before 101).
But, I don't think that is your intent. My guess is the purpose of your rants is to satisfy some need you have.
Finally, on education, The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America by Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt - http://www.deliberatedumbingdo...msPDFs/DDDoA.sml.pdf