Did any one see this NFL Network show? 9 future head coaches and GM's on that staff, including 2 Super Bowl winner Ossie Newsome and, of course, Belichick has 3 videogate tainted superbowls. Nick Saban was also on that staff.Bill was building a monster. Fortunately, Art Modell ****ed it up.
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and, of course, the magnificent Kirk Ferentz coaching the OL.
Oh yeah, the beginning of the next Hawkeye dynasty.
That was one of the best of these awesome NFL Network "A Football Life" shows. The one on Summerall is my personal fav.
Regarding the Browns staff, one guy they glossed over was our old pal Jim Bates:
Almost the Packers head coach after Sherman.
I don't think it was as close as some think.
About as close as Coach Kick Ass.
I don't think it was as close as some think.
Was close enough for him to throw a tantrum and refuse to be the DC (Mike offered him the job), saddling the team with 3 years of Bob Sanders.
I did see the NFL Network show. I thought it was funny how Modell announced the move to Baltimore before the half way point of the season and the fans went crazy - in a bad way. They mentioned Modell looked to see if there was another franchise in all of professional sports who did that to see what they did to manage the situation. He couldn't find any. Ya think??? Seems as if other owners were either smart enough to not try it, it seemed obvious to them that the off season was the time for these things. The only other closest match I could think of is when the Cardinals moved to Arizona. It may not have been announced officially before the end of the season, but the fans weren't showing up at the end of the season. It may have been too that the city officials and the fans had tired of Bidwell's antics. Everyone knew something was up.
Originally Posted by Hungry5:
I don't think it was as close as some think.
Was close enough for him to throw a tantrum and refuse to be the DC (Mike offered him the job), saddling the team with 3 years of Bob Sanders.
Throw a tantrum?
WFRV.COM | 01-16-2006 | AP
Posted on 1/17/2006 10 : 22 AM by
(AP) GREEN BAY Jim Bates stepped down as Packers defensive coordinator Monday after getting passed over for the head coaching job.
Bates decided to leave after numerous discussions with new head coach Mike McCarthy.
"I was disappointed when I didn't get job but that happens in this business," Bates said. "He applied for the job just like I did and I came in second, I hope I came in second. I'm going to be fine with whatever I choose."
Bates said it would be hard to leave the Packers but accepted it was time to move on. "When you get that opportunity to be a head coach, you have a list of people you've worked with," Bates said. "I wanted to give him the chance to pick those people with whom he had relationships. I didn't want to get in his way."
McCarthy was hired on Thursday after general manager Ted Thompson fired Mike Sherman on Jan. 2 following six seasons with the franchise. McCarthy hired Jeff Jagodzinski on Sunday as offensive coordinator. Those two worked together when they were on the Packers staff in 1999.
"It's my job as head coach to find the best person who fits in the coaching staff," McCarthy said. "I was hopeful it would work (with Bates) but it's not there. It's not a negative -- it's two people being mature about the situation."
Bates said he hadn't started a job search yet but "I'll always put my resume up against anyone out there because it speaks for itself."
Bates' efforts last season were overshadowed as the Packers spiraled to 4-12, their worst season in 15 years.
In his first year as the Packers' defensive coordinator, Bates engineered a modest turnaround after Green Bay was ranked 25th in defense in 2004 and coping with the loss of veteran safety Darren Sharper to free agency. Despite injuries to key players, the Packers under Bates allowed an average of 293.1 yards per game, seventh-best in the league.
Bates spent the previous five seasons in Miami, where he oversaw one of the league's top defensive units. The Dolphins struggled to a 1-8 start in 2004, and Bates took over as interim coach after Dave Wannstedt stepped down. The Dolphins finished 3-4 and players lobbied for Bates to stay as coach there before the club hired Nick Saban.
Proof that coaches need development and learning just as much as players. The hopeful thing is MM seems to very willing to admit mistakes and focus on problematic issues with good results.
His next challenge is learning to cut dead weight in the coaching staff and effectively promoting coaches that deserve it. Jagodumschits makes Campen look like Bill Belichek.
Throw a tantrum?
WFRV.COM | 01-16-2006 | AP
Posted on 1/17/2006 10 : 22 AM by
(AP) GREEN BAY Jim Bates stepped down as Packers defensive coordinator Monday after getting passed over for the head coaching job.
Bates decided to leave after numerous discussions with new head coach Mike McCarthy.
"I was disappointed when I didn't get job but that happens in this business," Bates said. "He applied for the job just like I did and I came in second, I hope I came in second. I'm going to be fine with whatever I choose."
You play to win the game. Hello!
Bates said it would be hard to leave the Packers but accepted it was time to move on. "When you get that opportunity to be a head coach, you have a list of people you've worked with," Bates said. "I wanted to give him the chance to pick those people with whom he had relationships. I didn't want to get in his way."
We got our asses kicked in that second half. It sucked.
McCarthy was hired on Thursday after general manager Ted Thompson fired Mike Sherman on Jan. 2 following six seasons with the franchise. McCarthy hired Jeff Jagodzinski on Sunday as offensive coordinator. Those two worked together when they were on the Packers staff in 1999.
"It's my job as head coach to find the best person who fits in the coaching staff," McCarthy said. "I was hopeful it would work (with Bates) but it's not there. It's not a negative -- it's two people being mature about the situation."
They are who we thought they were, and we let them off the hook!
Bates said he hadn't started a job search yet but "I'll always put my resume up against anyone out there because it speaks for itself."
If you were 2-7 you'd be in a bad mood too! Next.
Bates' efforts last season were overshadowed as the Packers spiraled to 4-12, their worst season in 15 years.
Playoffs? Don't talk to me about playoffs, 'you kidding me?
In his first year as the Packers' defensive coordinator, Bates engineered a modest turnaround after Green Bay was ranked 25th in defense in 2004 and coping with the loss of veteran safety Darren Sharper to free agency. Despite injuries to key players, the Packers under Bates allowed an average of 293.1 yards per game, seventh-best in the league.
Playoffs? I just hope we can win a game!
Bates spent the previous five seasons in Miami, where he oversaw one of the league's top defensive units. The Dolphins struggled to a 1-8 start in 2004, and Bates took over as interim coach after Dave Wannstedt stepped down. The Dolphins finished 3-4 and players lobbied for Bates to stay as coach there before the club hired Nick Saban.
It's there, you just have to read between the lines.
Still not throwing a tantrum over losing out to McCarthy.
Proof that coaches need development and learning just as much as players. The hopeful thing is MM seems to very willing to admit mistakes and focus on problematic issues with good results.
His next challenge is learning to cut dead weight in the coaching staff and effectively promoting coaches that deserve it. Jagodumschits makes Campen look like Bill Belichek.
Concur on the coaching development
And now MM brought in Ron Zook on STs and Steve Marshall on OL - maybe that's a step in the right direction. They might be heir apparent(s) or... just guys
MM didn't have much cache around the league when he first got started at HC, so his choices for assistants were somewhat limited. Now that he's had some success, the buffet may be stocked with better options. The talent is really rounding into shape on the OL, but they need an infusion on the coaching side
Here's the guy they brought in as assistant OL coach, very experienced, but limited playoff experience.
http://www.packers.com/team/co...97-915c-0016f749b7ea
"Marshall possesses more than 30 years of coaching experience, including six seasons in the National Football League"
Still not throwing a tantrum over losing out to McCarthy.
He may have said the right things to the press, but his actions said it all. He preferred to sit out of football for a year rather than build upon what had been a moderately successful season for his defense in 2005. Even though the offense led the league in turnovers (Thanks, Brett!), they were one of the league's top ranked defenses in points and yards (this was just one year after the Bob Slowik, disaster, mind you) until that week 15 meltdown in Baltimore. He decided to take his ball and go home because he didn't get the top job. Mike was obviously eager to keep him, since he kept all of the other defensive coaches and allowed Bob Sanders to run Bates's system.
Did any one see this NFL Network show? 9 future head coaches and GM's on that staff, including 2 Super Bowl winner Ossie Newsome and, of course, Belichick has 3 videogate tainted superbowls. Nick Saban was also on that staff.Bill was building a monster. Fortunately, Art Modell ****ed it up.
I saw it a while back.
As interesting it is for us, it must be a kick in the guts for Browns fans to watch that show and think about what could have been.
IMO, the Ravens fans should also feel hard done by. They were this close to getting Belicheck as well as Ossie Newsome.
Regarding the Browns, I guess you can't just randomly show up and try out.
C'mon man!
The guy brought his own equipment!
At least let him do a couple wind sprints inside the fence before you send him packing.
The Packers need to start letting walk-ons try out, that way once they're sent packing the 'queens will sign 'em.
A kid from New Mexico and his back-pack of gear travel 1,600 miles because he's identified Cleveland as the best shot of cracking an NFL roster spot. That's just funny.
I mean, he drove right past 5-6 other OTA's. And yes, I am making the assumption he drove.
A kid from New Mexico and his back-pack of gear travel 1,600 miles
Well his other source of revenue dried up, a kids gotta eat... bitch
Is that Colt? I find it odd he's in Mew Mexico. For a guy who is trying to make the team and has recently stated that it's 100% football for him now.
Chilli could kick in the NFL...true story.
I mean, he drove right past 5-6 other OTA's. And yes, I am making the assumption he drove.
He should have stopped at each OTA on the way back and see if he could get a shot. I would at least line him up with a stop watch and see waht he does in the 40. You could probably stop right there. But to even do that I would imagine that you'd have to sign the guy, and give him a physical just so the team is covered if anything should happen.
