Of the the teams in the NFL since 1960, Packers have the most titles

You know d*mn well no titles are significant until the Super Bowl era.

Yeah, I had this annoying conversation with a couple of Steeler fans I know this week. Their BS was that PITT had won the most titles. I corrected them and told them they had half the titles GB had. They countered with 'titles from a billion years ago don't count' which was silly.

I hate it when people decide when history should start to count for the record. Funny how that revision always seems to benefit the person's interests who is attempting to do that.

GB has 13 titles. Not seven and not four.

My point was that the Steelers, Cowboys, 49ers and Packers were all in the NFL together starting in 1960.

They each had the same number of chances if you start from there.

Yeah, and the Yankees should subtract their titles when Lou Gehrig and Babe Ruth played.

Stealer fans realize they were formed in 1933 right?

The heads of Cowboy fans everywhere blew up last night about the same time the 4th down pass from Roethlisberger fell to the ground incomplete.

I can't tell you how many of these clueless idots try to spin it that championship wins before the Super Bowl don't count. Well guess what Dallas, we've been to the Super Bowl three times, winning two, since you last won it all.

Suck it!

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Originally posted by FreeSafety:
My point was that the Steelers, Cowboys, 49ers and Packers were all in the NFL together starting in 1960.

They each had the same number of chances if you start from there.

I understood your point. I was merely relaying the spin on that stat that I had been hearing all week. The running meme is that only SB wins count.

I think the Cowboys and Steelers have made the Superbowl 8 times. That's impressive.

GB winning 4 out of 5 Superbowls in 3 different decades is pretty cool as well.

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Originally posted by JJSD:
Yeah, I had this annoying conversation with a couple of Steeler fans I know this week. Their BS was that PITT had won the most titles.

I've gotten some of that too. Yes, the Steelers have the most championships in the Super Bowl era. So what? The Packers have the most in league history, the most since 1960, and the most in the last 24 hours. However you spin it, 13 is way more than six.

BTW, the Packers are also the only team to win Super Bowls with three different head coaches and three different quarterbacks.

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Originally posted by FreeSafety:
Green Bay's won more titles than any team in the last 50 years.

Since 1960, Green Bay's won seven, Pittsburgh six, Dallas five, San Francisco five.

Vikings came in in 1961 and they have zero.

Actually, the Heidi-hairs do have one championship. NFL champs in the 1969 season, unfortunately.

Whew.

Another bitter loss for those jerks.

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Originally posted by Geaux-Packers:
The 1969 Championship is the NFC championship - They lost the superbowl to Kansas City

No, it was an NFL championship. The two leagues didn't merge until the following season.

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Originally posted by Salmon Dave:
NFL champs in the 1969 season, unfortunately.

Equivalent to today's NFC championship and just as meaningful, not one bit more.

Yup. The "NFL Championship" was the "World Championship" until January of 1967 when they played the first "AFL-NFL World Championship." Mr. Hunt called it the "Super Bowl" because the toy company "Wham-O" came out with what they called the Super Ball in 1965 and he liked the sound of it... I actually got one for Christmas in 1966.



It was pretty cool.

Sounds like rationalizing to me. The Super Bowl was nothing more than a glorified exhibition game those first 3 years, a PR gimmick meant to ramp up the the excitement for the merger of the two leagues. The NFL and AFL were two completely separate leagues, the Vikings won the NFL championship that year, they were league champions. I don't like it either, but it is what it is.

The chokers were also awarded the Thorpe Trophy for that 1969 victory and it hasn't been seen since, despite many efforts to find it

They stole it and that is why that pathetic purple franchise is cursed for all time - the football gods don't reward thieves

They tend to ignore the fact that the Steelers were around since 1933 and were completely irrelevant their first 40 years. Only in Pittsburgh is 13 < 6.

Salmon Dave, you make no sense.

You are the one rationalizing.

I'd like to see you tell Vince Lombardi or Bart Starr or Forrest Greg that Super Bowl 1 and Super Bowl 2 didn't mean anything. Or Hank Stram or Len Dawson or Pete Rozell...or any other rational football fan.

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Originally posted by Salmon Dave:
No, it was an NFL championship. The two leagues didn't merge until the following season.

That's why it's always important to refer to these past championships as WORLD Championships or Pro Football World Championships. For a 5 year period in the 1965-1970 range), the NFL Championship was NOT recognized as the World Championship of Pro Football. Before 1965 it was and after 1970 it was.

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Originally posted by Salmon Dave:
Sounds like rationalizing to me.

We're talking about the "championship" that followed 1969 season, right?

Any word on the results of the last game the Vikes played that season?

Here you go.

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Originally posted by Salmon Dave:
Sounds like rationalizing to me. The Super Bowl was nothing more than a glorified exhibition game those first 3 years, a PR gimmick meant to ramp up the the excitement for the merger of the two leagues. The NFL and AFL were two completely separate leagues, the Vikings won the NFL championship that year, they were league champions. I don't like it either, but it is what it is.

I think I know where you've heard some of this.

She's been trying to sell this BS for years, on every board that'll let her post.

She also still tells people that women in Wisconsin get beat more often after the Packers lose.

Her credibility is sketchy and that's on a good day...don't attach yours to hers too tightly.

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Originally posted by fightphoe93:
Before 1965 it was and after 1970 it was.

Not sure where you got the information about the NFL Championship not being recognized as the world championship in 1965. Look up newspapers and magazines from the period, and all of them I've seen that talked about it recognized that Green Bay won the "World Championship" when they beat Cleveland for the NFL Title. The first Super Bowl (the "AFL-NFL World Championship") was played on January 15, 1967, and even THEN I saw some writers claim that even though this was called a world championship game, the Packers actually had won that title when they beat Dallas two weeks before...

Of course, that statement would have been pretty ridiculous if Green Bay had lost to Kansas City. Even a homer like ME can see that!

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Originally posted by MN SnowBong:


I think I know where you've heard some of this.

She's been trying to sell this BS for years, on every board that'll let her post.

She also still tells people that women in Wisconsin get beat more often after the Packers lose.

Her credibility is sketchy and that's on a good day...don't attach yours to hers too tightly.

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Originally posted by FreeSafety:
Salmon Dave, you make no sense.

You are the one rationalizing.

I'd like to see you tell Vince Lombardi or Bart Starr or Forrest Greg that Super Bowl 1 and Super Bowl 2 didn't mean anything. Or Hank Stram or Len Dawson or Pete Rozell...or any other rational football fan.

Jesus christ. Am I typing in Chinese, or are some of you characters still drunk from Sunday night? Would it kill you guys to actually... you know... read what I said before disagreeing with it? Tell ya what, find me a rational football fan and see if you can talk him into posting in this thread. Then I'll be glad to talk to him instead of you.

Let's start from the beginning, and keep it really simple so some of you have a chance to keep up. The original assertion was that the Vikings have never won a title. That's not true - they won a National Football League Championship in 1969. Your thread didn't say "Super Bowls," it said "titles." If you're only referring to Super Bowl titles, then 3 of ours shouldn't count. If NFL titles do count, then the Queens won one. They won a league title, whether any of us like it or not. The same league title that Green Bay won in 61, 62, and 65.

And all this other crap - "well, tell that to Lombardi!" or "the NFL Championship that year was the same as the NFC Championship today" or whatever is just what I said it is, rationalizing. They won an NFL title. They were league champions in 1969. If the reality is so terrible you have to make up your own reality in order to cope with it, there's not much I can do for you.

Monkey Countdown... 3... 2... 1...

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Originally posted by MN SnowBong:


I think I know where you've heard some of this.

She's been trying to sell this BS for years, on every board that'll let her post.

She also still tells people that women in Wisconsin get beat more often after the Packers lose.

Her credibility is sketchy and that's on a good day...don't attach yours to hers too tightly.

I have no idea who you're talking about, and even if i did I wouldn't care. As for credibility, all i can tell you is bongs and posting aren't always a good mix.

I just found this thread, I don't think you are typing in Chinese and I am not drunk. I appreciate you keeping things simple for me, but are you saying that the Vikings have a title (reserved for the best team in football) for the season they ended by losing to the Chiefs?

I'm not sure my viking friends can even hang their hats on that one (if I am understanding you correctly). You don't have much of a title (other than say, a conf title) when you don't win your last game of season.

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Originally posted by XLV-Ka-Bong:
I just found this thread, I don't think you are typing in Chinese and I am not drunk. I appreciate you keeping things simple for me, but are you saying that the Vikings have a title (reserved for the best team in football) for the season they ended by losing to the Chiefs?

I'm not sure my viking friends can even hang their hats on that one (if I am understanding you correctly). You don't have much of a title (other than say, a conf title) when you don't win your last game of season.

The thread is about NFL titles. They won one of those.

Edit: Oh, and some of them do hang their hats on it. The losers whine about it all the time on KFAN.

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Originally posted by The Champ:
Monkey Countdown... 3... 2... 1...

...blastoff.

The Minnesota Vikings have never won the last game of the season.

They've won divisional championships.

They've won NFC championships.

They've won an NFL title.

They've never won the last game of the season.

I did it! I did it!

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Originally posted by Brak:

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Originally posted by The Champ:
Monkey Countdown... 3... 2... 1...

...blastoff.

The Minnesota Vikings have never won the last game of the season.

They've won divisional championships.

They've won NFC championships.

They've won an NFL title.

They've never won the last game of the season.

I did it! I did it!

Hey, I agree! It's a loser's argument. I agree with you (and everyone else in this thread) that it doesn't mean jack. But technically, they're right. The bastards did win an NFL title.

Oh, and that's not monkeying. You don't have it in you. You couldn't fake dumb if you tried.

13-1.

Carry on.

George McGovern.

Man, have they had the players over the years. An outstanding coach. And the opportunities.

Oh, well.

Hey, I'm gonna start a Vikings' thread. If the boss or any mods want to move or delete it, please do...

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Originally posted by Brak:
Man, have they had the players over the years. An outstanding coach. And the opportunities.

Oh, well.

That's what makes it even sweeter. There is no reason at all that that team shouldn't have won 4 or 5 Super Bowls over the last 40-some years. No reason t all. They've had the players, they had a coach, they had countless opportunities. And they just plain, flat-out choke every damned time. It's even funnier than if they'd never had a very good team to begin with.

There used to be a guy here in the Cities who had one of those customized baseball hats made for himself - all it said was "41-0." He wore it out to the bars, and I saw him several times. Laughed my ass off every time I saw it, because I knew it could only mean one thing.

Dave, you argue like my 9 year old.


Nobody in their right mind claims that a "NFL" title after 1966 is the same as an NFL title before that.

Patronizing people while arguing an obviously flawed point is not very becoming.


You look like a real dork in this thread.

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Originally posted by Salmon Dave:

The thread is about NFL titles.

WRONG.

Never said NFL titles.

Pre Super Bowl AFL titles are included.

No team won more than 2 AFL titles.

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Originally posted by FreeSafety:
Dave, you argue like my 9 year old.

I take that as a compliment, because I assume it means you get your ass handed to you every time you argue with him, too.

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Originally posted by FreeSafety:
Nobody in their right mind claims that a "NFL" title after 1966 is the same as an NFL title before that.

First of all, how would you know what someone in their right mind would or would not think? Second, man up and stop your weaseling, for christ's sake. If you want to change the terms of the debate and argue that pre-merger league titles are not as significant as Super Bowl titles, then go ahead and say so. If that's what you want to change the subject to, I'll agree with you. I have no problem with that argument at all.

But that's not what you said, no matter how much you try to crawfish away from it. If that's not what you meant, maybe you should pay more attention to what you say next time.

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Originally posted by FreeSafety:
Patronizing people while arguing an obviously flawed point is not very becoming.

Then shut up and stop making such an ass of yourself. If you're too sloppy to do some basic research before you post, too dumb to realize what kind of a corner you painted yourself into, and too gutless to admit it, I don't know what to tell ya. Maybe you're not cut out for this here Internetz thingie.

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Originally posted by FreeSafety:
You look like a real dork in this thread.

And the more you personalize this, the more I'm going to enjoy bitchslapping you up one side of the forum and down the other on the complete lack of logic in your arguments. Not that you'll grasp that, of course, but I'll enjoy it anyway.

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Originally posted by FreeSafety:

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Originally posted by Salmon Dave:

The thread is about NFL titles.

WRONG.

Never said NFL titles.

Pre Super Bowl AFL titles are included.

Oh, I see. Another redefinition after the fact.

Keep 'em coming. They're hard to keep track of, but it's funny watching you twist yourself into a pretzel like that.

oqned.

Slammin' Dave?

God, I wish the Pack had won the Super Bowl so there wouldn't be all this anger.

I do believe "CHAMP" (irony) did heavily defend the NFL Championship argument, but he also had some theory about the Vikings having sellouts and better attendance than the Packers that had something to do with the venerial equinox, the price of tea in China and a phanatical devotion to the Pope

Annnnnnnnd scene.



Dave, take a bow.

If only you knew man, if only you knew.