tj has been told that it's said that the Packers don't have a good offensive line
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The line looked a lot worse than it really is, IMHO. MM's game plan fed into our difficulties. He can't get a "Mike Martz" ego & just insist that what once worked is going to always work. Teams have played us differently since the KC game last season, when they offered the blueprint for slowing us down. MM & AR have not consistently adjusted to combat the type of defenses we are now seeing. Zero sacks in the second half of the Seahawks game....no better evidence of the impact of gameplanning. Very disappointed that it took pissing away a whole half to get us to that point.
MM seems to be in a game planning/play calling slump. All athletes go through that, so hopefully he'll snap out of it. Could be AR at the line making the wrong call, too, but that tight end heavy package in the second half just ripped up the Seahawks and brought play action back big time.
quote:Originally posted by YATittle:
MM seems to be in a game planning/play calling slump. All athletes go through that, so hopefully he'll snap out of it. Could be AR at the line making the wrong call, too, but that tight end heavy package in the second half just ripped up the Seahawks and brought play action back big time.
And scored 12 freakin points during that ripping
I was expecting heavy doses of Ced Benson during the first half of the Seahawks game.
It seemed that's what everybody expected, so maybe MM thought he'd "outsmart" everybody and stick to the heavy passing game. It didn't work.
Glad to hear at least he admitted it took him too long to adjust.
It seemed that's what everybody expected, so maybe MM thought he'd "outsmart" everybody and stick to the heavy passing game. It didn't work.
Glad to hear at least he admitted it took him too long to adjust.
Sort of like TT and his "too cute" drafting?
Campen certainly isn't deflecting accountability.
PFF said Bulaga gave up 3 sacks and 7 pressures. Completely unlike him.
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quote:Offensive line coach James Campen was asked if the fact that coach Mike McCarthy ran the ball just four times in the first half opposed to 23 called passes adversely affected his starting five.
Campen did not mince words.
"I'll be honest with you, I don't give a flying crap," he said. "I don't care what play is called, I could give a crap if it's 100 passes or 100 runs, do your job. To me, that's a negative, defeatist attitude.
"Whatever is called, our job is to block. Period."
PFF said Bulaga gave up 3 sacks and 7 pressures. Completely unlike him.
quote:"I didn't have the best first half, but on certain plays my technique was out the window. I don't know what I was doing. I just kind of fell apart. I think it was just a matter of I didn't play my best. That's the best way I can answer it. I don't think there's a bigger critique of me is myself. It's the way it is."
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In the second half they scored on 3 of their 4 possessions including Rodgers engineering a drive to take the lead. On their last possession at 1:54 Kuhn missed his block on Browner who missed the tackle, but Ced fumbled on the calamity of the play that ensued and Saturday recovered for a 5 yard loss. That play ensured SEA would get the ball back because there is no way Rodgers is passing from the endzone under these conditions. Two more run plays and a punt gave SEA the ball with 46 seconds left and no time outs.
I would have liked to have the game salted away in the final two minutes with the run game, but the blown block/fumble negated that option. That was a major opportunity lost.
They held the ball for about 18 minutes in the half and scored on 3 of 4 possessions. That is a ripping performance.
I would be happy to have this offense run the second half offense to get the lead until defenses start putting 8 in the box. Then maybe the down the field routes would open up.
**I edited the last paragraph by adding "the second half offense"
I would have liked to have the game salted away in the final two minutes with the run game, but the blown block/fumble negated that option. That was a major opportunity lost.
They held the ball for about 18 minutes in the half and scored on 3 of 4 possessions. That is a ripping performance.
I would be happy to have this offense run the second half offense to get the lead until defenses start putting 8 in the box. Then maybe the down the field routes would open up.
**I edited the last paragraph by adding "the second half offense"
Golly, I have a really hard time with the idea that our o-line looked worse than it was because - well - we could have that heavy TE package. Isn't that like saying the o-line isn't up to the task and we need to change our scheme by adding at least one more blocker?
Hey, maybe it's mainly that Seattle is that good.
They took our line to the wood shed where it was nothing short of a perpetual "pull pants down, bend over, and be spanked."
There is no other way to spin 8 sacks in a half especially when factoring in that Rodger's is one of the best at escaping sacks.
Hey, maybe it's mainly that Seattle is that good.
They took our line to the wood shed where it was nothing short of a perpetual "pull pants down, bend over, and be spanked."
There is no other way to spin 8 sacks in a half especially when factoring in that Rodger's is one of the best at escaping sacks.
Rodgers held onto the ball WAAAAYYYYY too long on at least 4 of those sacks. Yes the O-Line played poorly too but in the 2nd half Rodgers was getting rid of the ball in a hurry when we weren't running it down their throats
quote:Originally posted by Boris:
Rodgers held onto the ball WAAAAYYYYY too long on at least 4 of those sacks. Yes the O-Line played poorly too but in the 2nd half Rodgers was getting rid of the ball in a hurry when we weren't running it down their throats
Totally agree. Rodgers greatest strength, being careful with the ball can lead him to take an unneccesary sack now and then. They can kill drives too and hurt the offense, but overall taking unnecessary sacks is better than throwing a pick 6.
That said, Rodgers just overall hasn't looked like himself yet the entire pre-season and into the first 3 weeks. I think he'll get a chance to get back on track this week... I hope.
Agreed that Rodgers is holding the ball too long. But come on, that offensive line is really OFFENSIVE. They did okay against SF, adjusted well against Chicago, and were brutal in Seattle. That needs to to be fixed.
Good point on holding the ball.
With that, I am with Fandame. Slightly tempered, but see the offensive line as quite offensive.
With that, I am with Fandame. Slightly tempered, but see the offensive line as quite offensive.
Agree as well.
Lang and Sitton are the strength of the OL, and Saturday is about the same as Wells, as I see it. But Newhouse and Bulaga are sketchy.
Newhouse started out weak vs SF, but has solidified somewhat since. Bulaga has week all year.
Certain play calls and ARod holding onto the ball too long tend to magnify these breakdowns, but the root of the problem remains the play of our OT's.
Another excuse has been the defenses we have faced so far, and I have no problem acknowledging we have indeed faced some tough ones, but we can't use that every week. And again, if we can't play well against them now, what are we going to do if we have to play them in the playoffs?
Lang and Sitton are the strength of the OL, and Saturday is about the same as Wells, as I see it. But Newhouse and Bulaga are sketchy.
Newhouse started out weak vs SF, but has solidified somewhat since. Bulaga has week all year.
Certain play calls and ARod holding onto the ball too long tend to magnify these breakdowns, but the root of the problem remains the play of our OT's.
Another excuse has been the defenses we have faced so far, and I have no problem acknowledging we have indeed faced some tough ones, but we can't use that every week. And again, if we can't play well against them now, what are we going to do if we have to play them in the playoffs?
Bulaga had a bad game, no question. Just a few weeks ago he was generally considered to be on the verge of pro bowl consideration.... Now he's suddenly sketchy?
A large part of the pass protection problem in Seattle was crappy play calling and a quarterback that held onto the football too long at times.
A large part of the pass protection problem in Seattle was crappy play calling and a quarterback that held onto the football too long at times.
GB won a division game on the road.
Um that was in Lambeau if you are referring to September 13th 2012
12-4 and a bye
14th.
17-2 would not surprise me. They might not lose again.
14th.
17-2 would not surprise me. They might not lose again.
quote:Rodgers held onto the ball WAAAAYYYYY too long on at least 4 of those sacks.
some of that can be credited to a good secondary, and one that was probably getting away with more than they would this weekend. but even given that, there are ways to throw the ball away in the field of play that work - a wormburner anyone?
quote:Originally posted by Fedya:
They do still have to go down to Houston.
So.
Read where McCarthy said perhaps AR held the ball too long a few times, however his ability to extend plays out of the pocket makes that somewhat acceptable in his eyes. There has been such great production from AR on plays he extends that MM didn't want discourage that. MM trusts AR to make the right decision if a play breaks down.
He's good at scooting out of the pocket, Seattle was just too fast that day. Or the O-line was just that slow.
Plus, I still believe that AR will take a sack any day before he forces a reckless pass like some qbs might have done. He Really wants to be known as a smart player, precise, an assassin, NOT a gunslinger, if you know what I mean.
He's good at scooting out of the pocket, Seattle was just too fast that day. Or the O-line was just that slow.
Plus, I still believe that AR will take a sack any day before he forces a reckless pass like some qbs might have done. He Really wants to be known as a smart player, precise, an assassin, NOT a gunslinger, if you know what I mean.
Some points:
Seattle a very tough place to pass block, very loud - that said, the white whale had his worst game ever.
The game plan has to utilize the team we have. We built a team to be quick strike. Spent a lot of draft picks on WRs and OL. Then we spent a lot of time and effort developing and practicing plays to maximize their skills. When someone takes that away, they take away our best players and their best plays. Can't just change players and their skills.
Down and distance were bad on a lot of our first half drives. Hell, if you pass all the time 1-10 is a bad down and distance.
We saw some of this mismatch in the past, when they built around Finley and then he went down. Changing offensive focus isn't as simple in the NFL as it is in Madden. It takes time to install. And the NFL season is quite brief and unforgiving. Couple bad plays and you are 1-3 instead of 3-1.
Excellent points. I also believe this was one of the reasons Uncle Ted signed Benson, to give a true option for a run game that could grind out some yards. The Packers offense was too one dimensional. Even though it is highly effective it is susceptible to these kinds of scenarios. Good to have Benson but the oline needs to work on run blocking schemes.