Offensive yardage rank - worst since the days of Infante

Puzzling. 

The whole side of that ball has played like shi* including games where they won and were on the way to 6-0. AR's completion percentage even in a solid win at Minny was uncharacteristically low (their most solid win post-bye week) as it's been all season.

And no, it's not all because of Jordy. This team needs fresh ideas, speed at WR, a real TE, and a shifty speedy RB to open this offense up. Couple that with still gaping needs at ILB and OL and OLB (assuming Peppers doesn't return), I just can't see how TT fixes all that in a single draft.

I think on offense they hit a perfect storm of why things haven't worked.  The OL has been banged up for a while now,  I personally think Lacy is playing very hurt, NO speed to be found at any receiver position, and they just have an odd combination of wanting to pound the ball out of a finesse offense. 

Defensively, I think they are ok on the secondary but it is the front 7 especially at LB that they will need help.  Barrington returning (if healthy) will help a lot but they need help there. 

How ironic is it that they finally field an average defense and the offense completely craps the bed?  

Against the division the defense gave up:

11 points to Lions (not counting 1 yard TD drive after 2h kickoff was returned to 1 yard line)

17 points to Bears

13 points to Vikings

All at home.  They lost all 3.  All 3 games they had a chance to tie or win at the end, they blew all 3 opportunities.  

5.1 yards per play.  29th in the NFL.  Only teams worse were SF, Houston, and Indy.

34% 3rd down conversions.  28th in the NFL.  Only teams worse were Ten, Mia, STL, SF

It just pisses me off when you have a team like Seattle who started with a crappy OL, lose their All-pro TE, beast mode is out multiple weeks, have avg talent at WR and yet a guy like Doug Baldwin (who??!!!) is a 1000 yard WR and that team has vaulted to 4th in the NFL in offense.

The bottom line is teams like Carolina and Seattle are making avg-poor skill position players like Baldwin and Ginn into pro bowlers and made key adjustments to fit their current talent.

But MM said last night, he's not worried.

Wilson is playing far better than Rodgers this season tbf....but yes, the offensive staff looks absolutely awful with their complete inability to figure out any sort of solution other than wishing and hoping that doing the same goddamn thing will eventually yield different results

Oh hey! Look! Another dumpoff to RichRod in the flat!

CAPackFan95 posted:

5.1 yards per play.  29th in the NFL.  Only teams worse were SF, Houston, and Indy.

34% 3rd down conversions.  28th in the NFL.  Only teams worse were Ten, Mia, STL, SF

Even worse than the Cowboys.  Think about that.  A team who has started I think 4 different QBs this year.  Romo started all of 4 games this season I think, only finishing 2 of them.  Unbelievable.

Packerjoe's OP really puts this into perspective. I have never seen a team go from so good to so bad overnight (without major changes). We've had really great offenses for the past 25 years, but then we just dropped off a cliff. The only big changes that I have seen are the coaching promotions. Maybe Edgar Bennett just isn't a good offensive coordinator or maybe we need two different coaches to handle the quarterbacks and receivers. 

MM should never have taken back the play-calling duties.  As we see now, play-calling was just the tip of the iceberg with the offense ineptness.

Yes, the offensive yardage rank was rank.

Some more data.

In the AR ERA, here's our yards/play and NFL rank
08: 5.6, 11th
09: 5.8, 9th
10: 5.7, 6th
11: 6.6, 2nd
12: 5.5, 14th
13: 6.0, 4th (think about this.  AR was out half the season!)
14: 6.2, 1st

2015 overall is 5.1.  HOWEVER, here's that metric pre/post BYE week.  
2015 Games 1-6: 6.1
2015 Games 7-16: 4.5

4.5!  OMG.  Trust me, that 4.5 number isn't skewed by only a couple of games against Den and Ari.  The HIGHEST we had in games 7-16 was 5.6 yards vs Carolina.  Even taking Den/AZ games out, that number is 4.8. 

It's convenient to say, but something happened during that bye week and the offense completely fell off a cliff.  and didn't recover at all.  

Someone else posted this note, which I read online earlier.  "Sitton did not know he was playin LT until 3 hours before the game".   That is bad prep on part of the coaching staff.  Just another example of the poor decision-making that has plagued this team the last 10 weeks.

GBP1 posted:

Someone else posted this note, which I read online earlier.  "Sitton did not know he was playin LT until 3 hours before the game".   That is bad prep on part of the coaching staff.  Just another example of the poor decision-making that has plagued this team the last 10 weeks.

its been explained why that occurred and what the timing was. 

From the broadcast, he knew it was a possibility. They mentioned he didn't like the fact that he had to mentally prepare to play 2 different positions.

Yards per play from 1 to 29 and third down conversions from 3 to 28. An absolutely stunning deterioration in performance.

Thanks for those stats CAPFan95.

In week 6 they lost Montgomery for the year and it may be as easy as that. While he is only a rookie, he's strong in the upper-body, he got off the jam at the LOS, and he didn't drop passes. They went from 4 confident WRs to 3, and that limits the playbook.

Or maybe Yoko isn't givin' it up enough and AR has overused his arm?

CAPackFan95 posted:

It's convenient to say, but something happened during that bye week and the offense completely fell off a cliff.  and didn't recover at all.  

The stats are eye-popping. You can't tell me the Monty injury is the cause of it either. 

I wonder if MM will sit Rodgers down in the playoff game & play Tolzein when the offense struggles? 

Kind of like he should've done in Jan 2008 with Favre vs. the Giants.

If there truly is some sort of schism between AR & MM, I can see that happening

Hungry5 posted:

Thanks for those stats CAPFan95.

In week 6 they lost Montgomery for the year and it may be as easy as that. While he is only a rookie, he's strong in the upper-body, he got off the jam at the LOS, and he didn't drop passes. They went from 4 confident WRs to 3, and that limits the playbook.

 

I think this is a solid point.  It was trending where Montgomery was becoming the #2 guy, and his route running ability and ability to beat jams off LOS are missed.

Also, I've been saying to anyone that will listen, while I'm not expecting it, it wouldn't shock me at all to hear 1-2 days after season ends that AR has a tear in his rotator cuff or some injury.  

More like a tear in his psyche.

Rodgers has made some throws the second half of the season that a qb with a significant injury couldn't make.

And he has made some throws that a QB with a significant psyche tear would make.

Some Mason Crosby style yipps? Even the best players in the league can have down years. What's hilarious is that a "down year" for Rodgers is better than great years for lesser QBs. 

CAPackFan95 posted:

Hungry5 posted:

Thanks for those stats CAPFan95.

In week 6 they lost Montgomery for the year and it may be as easy as that. While he is only a rookie, he's strong in the upper-body, he got off the jam at the LOS, and he didn't drop passes. They went from 4 confident WRs to 3, and that limits the playbook.

 

I think this is a solid point.  It was trending where Montgomery was becoming the #2 guy, and his route running ability and ability to beat jams off LOS are missed.

Also, I've been saying to anyone that will listen, while I'm not expecting it, it wouldn't shock me at all to hear 1-2 days after season ends that AR has a tear in his rotator cuff or some injury.  

The bold part may be why we don't see much from Janis (routes and drops) or Abby (beating NFL jams)? Also, I wrote confident and not competent WRs for a reason. The WR confidence in themselves, and Rodgers confidence in them. They didn't lose talent in a year, and I believe Cobb and Adams are talented.

Also, the off-season surgery to AR is a possibility, though I don't think it is his throwing arm. He throws a strike one pass but not another, so it may be his off arm or maybe something in his legs?

31 TDs versus 8 interceptions is pretty good for what was clearly a down year. 

The drop in overall productivity is stunning given that except for Jordy everyone was back and, other than some OL injuries the last quarter of the season, injuries to the returning players were minimal. What's even more bizarre is that there aren't any players other than Jones and Rodgers who are more than 28 years old. It's not like they got too old and hit a wall. 

Hungry5 posted:

CAPackFan95 posted:

Hungry5 posted:

Thanks for those stats CAPFan95.

In week 6 they lost Montgomery for the year and it may be as easy as that. While he is only a rookie, he's strong in the upper-body, he got off the jam at the LOS, and he didn't drop passes. They went from 4 confident WRs to 3, and that limits the playbook.

 

I think this is a solid point.  It was trending where Montgomery was becoming the #2 guy, and his route running ability and ability to beat jams off LOS are missed.

Also, I've been saying to anyone that will listen, while I'm not expecting it, it wouldn't shock me at all to hear 1-2 days after season ends that AR has a tear in his rotator cuff or some injury.  

The bold part may be why we don't see much from Janis (routes and drops) or Abby (beating NFL jams)? Also, I wrote confident and not competent WRs for a reason. The WR confidence in themselves, and Rodgers confidence in them. They didn't lose talent in a year, and I believe Cobb and Adams are talented.

Also, the off-season surgery to AR is a possibility, though I don't think it is his throwing arm. He throws a strike one pass but not another, so it may be his off arm or maybe something in his legs?

 

 

Guys with arm injuries don't throw 70 yard Hail Mary passes. 

MichiganPacker2 posted:

The drop in overall productivity is stunning given that except for Jordy everyone was back and, other than some OL injuries the last quarter of the season, injuries to the returning players were minimal. 

Not necessarily. Consider that this team only saw 350 snaps by backup OL last year compared to 947 this year. Granted, Tretter was a good chunk of that and passed the eyeball test, but it still represents a significant breakup in the continuity. It also sounds like each of the starting five played through some significant injuries as well, further hurting the quality of OL play.

Rodgers' numbers are a tale of 2 seasons...

Before the bye

6-0 record
68% completion
1491 yards
15 TDs
2 INT
8.2 y/a
116 rating

After the bye

4-6 record
57% completion
2330 yards
16 TD
6 INT
6 y/a
82 rating

They made the playoffs- It's a successful season in my book.

The only glaring mistake I see in the roster is paying Randall Cobb as a #1. Otherwise I just see guys injured or getting old or playing at about the level they were drafted. There are only a half dozen or so real difference makers that come out of college every year. The football equivalent of baseball's 5 tool guys. You don't get those guys when you draft 24th or 27th or 30th. You're stuck with draft and develop. Put 'em in the classroom and weight room and they'll be able to match up with the other "guys" in the league.  But they'll never dominate those top tier players. Or you can roll the dice in free agency and hope you get a couple of years of success before rebuilding from zero.

Other franchises only approach these Packers for winning consistency, saving NE.  Even they went 10 years between titles. Steelers? haven't won a playoff game since before SB XLV. Giants? Haven't been to the playoffs since XLVI. Philly? SF? Houston? Indy? Detroit? All teams that showed for a couple of years, then faded or burst into flame.

IL_Pack_Fan posted:

MichiganPacker2 posted:

The drop in overall productivity is stunning given that except for Jordy everyone was back and, other than some OL injuries the last quarter of the season, injuries to the returning players were minimal. 

Not necessarily. Consider that this team only saw 350 snaps by backup OL last year compared to 947 this year. Granted, Tretter was a good chunk of that and passed the eyeball test, but it still represents a significant breakup in the continuity. It also sounds like each of the starting five played through some significant injuries as well, further hurting the quality of OL play.

So how many of those were Tretter? I'd consider him Linsleys equal. 

Also Siton was banged up for a large part of 2014. 

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/s...ly-toe-injury-070615

OL guys are always playing hurt. They don't make enough money for what they do relative to other positions. 

CAPackFan95 posted:

It's convenient to say, but something happened during that bye week and the offense completely fell off a cliff.  and didn't recover at all.  

Maybe the something was a statement/decision by the coaches to the players that they won't be changing the offense even though Adams was hobbled, Monty was down, Quarless was on IR-DFR, Lacy was fat/injured - and the players just needed to play/execute better?

I agree execution is key, but coaches/leaders need to put their players in the best position to succeed.

MichiganPacker2 posted:

So how many of those were Tretter? I'd consider him Linsleys equal. 

373 http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/snapcounts

GB's scheme needs athletes since they rely so heavily on those iso routes. They either need to get a new OC in here with new ideas or they need to heavily invest on finding some damn athletes for this offense

Here is what GB currently has

Here is what they want to have

Remember when we all used to bitch about Finley?

Ignorance is bliss.

I just can't get over that Rich Rodgers is a starting TE. The guys has half decent hands, NO speed, Can't block and NO Run after the catch. And he even seems to be a focal point of the offense at times. Just shaking my head

Didn't he (DickRod) appear to have some speed last year? He seemed to come on and make some really nice plays at the end of last year and in the playoffs. Does my memory deceive me? His lack of grace on the touchdown last night was staggering.

DickRod has never been fast. It was why a lot of scouts thought he be a 5th or 6th rounder. TT probably reached a little bit for need when took him in the 3rd. He's almost exactly what the scouts thought he'd be. 

Its because they LACK the YAC!