Officiating

Be prepared for the red challenge flag on penalties next. Because that's coming.

Rumor is it will start with PI..and some personal fouls like roughing the passer.

But soon enough we'll be watching 4 games.

I think 15 yard penalties for "hits" should be reviewed automatically....just like TDs and turnovers.  Often, it will be clear immediately that it was/wasn't a personal foul and the game should not be delayed too much.

I think the game is moving slow enough with coaches' challenges, automatic reviews on turnovers, TDs getting reviewed, etc. Reviews on penalties would send many viewers over the edge. Accept there's human mistakes; geez, even Jordy and AR make them!  A review didn't save us from Lance in Seattle, and there's too many times a penalty is too close to call -- the reviewer would side with the ref too often to make it worthwhile. 

Of more concern is that yesterday the refs let the DBs get away with a lot when earlier they called it. Stay consistent one way or the other, please!

Though they get the calls wrong once in a while, for the most part the refs get it right. As much as I don't like bad calls going against any team I am pulling for, I am OK with the refs making the best call they can.

The thing that bothers me in the OPs post is that the NFL said Hocholi sp? got the call wrong yet Hocholi says he got it right. So who is right ? I get the ref calling penalties as he sees fit but the NFL and Hocholi are obviously on two different pages on this one.

I'm not suggesting that all or even most penalties get reviewed.  For the most part, they're judgment calls.  But with the speed of the game, it's really unfair, IMO, to call an illegal hit 15 yard personal conduct penalty when it isn't.  And I don't think it would take that long to review.  If it's even questionable, side on the decision of the in-game official.

We nede mor lawz, rulz, an lawerz.

Apparently more dipschyts too.

I think the most frustrating thing with NFL officiating is the lack of consistency from crew to crew. Some refs won't allow defensive players to come close to WRs or the QB while some crews let defenders get away with murder (like always for Seattle). Based on his postgame comments I don't think Ed Hochuli would have reversed his decision even if Harbaugh had been able to challenge the penalty and that's the frustrating thing. Two refs can see the same play and interpret different things from it. Coaches should be able to challenge penalties, it only makes sense when there are rules in place that margin between call/no-call is razor thin. 

Challenge all penalties?  Some? 

If it passed it would be limited to one or two times a game, no doubt.

I find it hard to believe any fan would oppose their team's coach having that option, on the grounds that the game would be too long or discontinuous.  The game is faster than the refs can see, but there's technology that can help get it right, and you don't want that because...?  Why again?  You have more important things to do on a Sunday afternoon?

Come on now, this is the NFL.  I already don't like the hour between the Sunday late games and SNF.  Let's get it right.

(Also Hochuli cost me 50 bucks yesterday and his whole crew is blind and ignorant.)

1) Give each team 3.

2) You can challenge any call.

3)  As long as you're right you retain your challenges. Why penalize a correct challenge by removing a challenge? Don't think it will lengthen game that much more and probably would make refs a little more accountable.

Incredible that in a year where DB's are being called for barely touching a receiver, yesterday our receivers were mugged and not a single PI. Jordy had his jersey grabbed, even the Boykin interception, the db had his arms around Boykin so he couldn't raise his hands high enough and the ball bounced off. Cobb was grabbed constantly past the 5 yards permissible... 

Question is can you challenge no-calls? Probably going too far.

dipschyt Nannys love to be grubered = Logical fallacy "Appeal to Authority".

Pas mor rulz.

The holding of the PACKERS receivers was constant & never called. Holding call on Sitton was bogus. Can't remember who the PACKER player was but he was out of bounds on the side line & a Bill defender grabbed him & slammed him to the ground. Some fair officials!!!

Yup, Pack screwed yet again.

oh-oh.  Be careful, Hud.  I brought up the same thing yesterday....and it rattled the feathers of some pussies here at TimesFour.  They think because you bring up the officiating that you are saying the "refs cost us the game, man!"  

I know what you mean, Hud.    The non-calls didn't mean that officials cost us the game.  But they were not called like they have been called this season.  There was a lot of holding, etc.
...and in a tight game, those non-calls were magnified.

As long as the NFL continues to change the rules as to what is and isn't a penalty/personal foul, then I see no reason to not alter the means of getting the calls correct....within reason.

The BS is ruining the product. One game to the next, there's no consistency in the PI calls. It depends on the crew. If I was a player, Offense or Defense, I'd be frustrated.

It should be the same game from week to week. It's not.

Bullsh*t officiating robbed everyone of the greatest throw in NFL history. Yesterday more phantom calls, no calls... It's concerning because against defenses like Seattle or Detrout or Buffalo, down and distance feeds the whole gameplan. A penalty kills a drive. Almost invariably. When a penalty occurs against lesser defenses, you don't recall them because Rodgers negates it with a 25 yard completion. You don't get those against these other defenses.

And that's where officiating matters. If they blow a call, it tilts the game. That happened yesterday. The Packers couldn't overcome it because they were both struggling and against a D that was winning the one on ones. Then they get their rhythm and another phantom holding call sucks the wind right out of the drive. 

Another thing I didn't like was watching the Bills take shots, questionable shots, at Packer players. Matthews and Bulaga get blind sided, a Bills OL goes after the Packer sideline, their DBs all over the Packer WRs and it just continues and continues. It's BS, and I'm tired of it.

The Bulaga hit reminded me of the Clifton hit years ago. Bulaga was a ways from the play and totally unaware of the Bills player.

Sometimes the refs will call it close and sometimes they'll just let them play. As long as there is consistency within the game I don't have any problem with it. Officials didn't cause Jordy to drop a likely TD pass or AR's poor performance.

Jim Schwartz... The Bills were taking it to them every chance they got, and that sh*t eating smirk on his face proved to me it was likely by design. I hope this team gets to a more physically punishing style of play. Mike Daniels style...

If your going to review penalties, then they should put a GPS marker in the ball, and have it send a signal to the ref, when the ball crosses the goal line.  This technology is available (Soccer used it), and that would eliminate the TD reviews.  Potentially it could help spotting the ball.  

That was my thought too, Music. It was a typical Schwartz-coached play. You can tell the guy doesn't have respect for the other team or the players. GB just doesn't do physical. I don't want the late hits or the dirty play, but I'd like to see our O impose its will on the other team. There's flashes of it against poor/mediocre teams, but it's not sustained against really physical teams (Seattle, SF, Det, Buff). Linsley's addition has been a bonus and added some toughness, and I think -- hope -- his attitude spreads.

If anything comes out of that game, I think that's it. They all had to look in the mirror and remember December it is go time. Bring your pail, get tough, start playing December football. No one is going to hand this to you- to take it, you have to beat them. Physical hard nosed play. And then you strike them down with the best qb in the game. 

Sunday was was the wake up call. Hopefully they got that. 

It works in soccer because IF the entire ball crosses the line, its a goal

In football, the players' knees may or may not be down when the ball crosses the plane...

Have it run on a circuit.  Knee pads only activate when the hands are in contact with the ball.  When knee's hit the ground the GPS marks the spot of the ball at it's exact location.  

Or they can just play football.

either one

Matt Bowen gets it and provides some great evidence.

Ultimately, these plays will have to be reviewable to protect the standards of the NFL and to get it correct on the field.

 

I know the pro game has changed, and it will always be on the players and coaches to adapt to the rulebook. Whether that is technique or tackling, you have to play within the guidelines of the league. But I’m not sure the NFL even knows right from wrong anymore when it comes to defenders playing physical football.

And part of the discussion should involve the illegal hits on Matthews and Bulaga...

Years ago. Nick Perry was flagged and fined $15k for a hit to Andrew Luck that was absolutely the same hit Moody put on Wilson. Head up to the pads. They were both aggressive clean football plays. 

I'll bet a great sum of money Moody isn't fined anything this week. Because the whole weekly fining thing has quietly gone away. I'm guessing it's because the NFL has figured out ****ing team defenses out of cheap first downs for bad snap judgement calls by confused officials is cash up front and no need to impose shipping and handling after the fact. They'd be right by the way. And dead wrong at the same time. 

And if Im Perry. I'm asking the NFL to cut me a damn check for $15k right now. Because that's $15 ****ing thousand dollars they yanked out of his pocket that was taken during Goodells concussion player safety anti-suit crusade that has slowly become an ignored postmortem in his ever expanding bag of self induced issues he can't possibly manage to keep up with. 

Moody also won't get fined because the league said it was a good hit and he shouldn't have been flagged. Good post CJ.