OK To Dump On Ted Now?

Glass half empty. Stand around the campfire and piss on it because Ted drafted Randall and Rollins and whiffed on Watt with King and the defense sucks. 

Glass half full. Stand around the campfire and toast Ted because he drafted Aaron Jones, Williams and Geronimo and the offensive stable has players that can hang 40 on anyone. 

I have no idea if the NFL will continue to mute defenses into the playoffs. I don’t know. The refs don’t know. The NFL front office doesn’t know. I’m sure they will figure it out next March. 

I know this. Mike can get busy living or get busy dying. He’s got a crazy deep assortment of weapons on offense. Insanely deep level of weapons.  He needs to use all of them. If he can’t he’s gone. If he does he’s got as good a chance as anyone. 

The raw data says what Ted didn’t do isn’t as important as what he did do based on what the NFL has done with defenses and what Mike should do with the players he has. 

chickenboy posted:

Henry posted:

McVince.  

Still don't get this McVince thing...

“Mc” because it’s become high fashion to start any MM nickname with “Mc”....McStupidFace, for example. 

“Vince” for Vince Vaughn, who was in ‘Mr. and Mrs. Smith’ with Brad Pitt, who was in ‘Sleepers’ with Kevin Bacon.  So we just connected MM to Kevin Bacon in three steps. 

Henry is a huge ‘Footloose’ fan.....the original, not the remake. It’s all about Kevin Bacon. Always has been. 

Duh!

I never understood how making fun of somebody’s appearance was very funny. (Even after I have sort of done it in the past.) Of course I have never understood why the French think that Jerry Lewis is funny either.

excalibur posted:

My very first post here was about TT and the mediocre job he was doing. The usual suspects, bowing to TT, jumped all over that post. I was right, they were wrong. 

So do you thank Sherman's stellar work as GM for the SB and 8 straight playoff seasons?

I like how many talk about waiting until the 3rd year before grading a draft, except when that timeline doesn't fit their story.

Thompson was not perfect, but was regarded by those who know as one of the best.

Henry posted:

Pistol GB posted:

Henry posted:

Who the **** said I didn't think it was time to move on?  I'm saying the same thing about McVince.  Past his expiration date.  Doesn't take away from what he did.

TT ran the team his way, it ceased to be effective, he's gone.  McVince coached his way, it ceased to be effective, he's still here. 

Just in case you needed a refresher in hysterics.

So he doesn’t, just to prove he’s smarter than everyone else.  It wasn’t about the franchise, it was about him.  

Jesus ****.  Yeah, I'm sure TT was out to spite the Packers organization because he took King after flopping on other CBs.  

Who said anything about spite?

Talk about hysterics.  

So he doesn’t, just to prove he’s smarter than everyone else.  It wasn’t about the franchise, it was about him.  

You do realize you posted that right?

Not sure why you’re nutting up over this. Yes, I think Ted had years of success, and towards the end, it went to his head. Success does that to people. What resulted was, by Round one of 2017, he didn’t want to make the obvious pick, the one that everyone, everywhere either wanted him to make or thought he would make.  It had to be his.

Do I know this for sure?  Hell no, it’s just a theory, a fan’s thoughts on an Internet forum, which I kinda thought was why we’re here.  But I’ll say this: it’s a heck of a lot better theory than his health was deteriorating, which would be all the more reason to take the consensus pick, or that he simply stopped being good at his job, or stopped caring, or that his luck ran out, or he lost his best scouts, or whatever. Ted was good at his job and he knew it. That’s not always a good thing.

And those last 3 drafts were all his.  He made sure of it.

As for the 2017 draft, I don’t think it was “spite” or anything else against the Packers, it was just Thompson making it his and his alone to the football world, right in tune with his reputation as old unpredictable Ted Thompson.

bdplant posted:

chickenboy posted:

Henry posted:

McVince.  

Still don't get this McVince thing...

“Mc” because it’s become high fashion to start any MM nickname with “Mc”....McStupidFace, for example. 

“Vince” for Vince Vaughn, who was in ‘Mr. and Mrs. Smith’ with Brad Pitt, who was in ‘Sleepers’ with Kevin Bacon.  So we just connected MM to Kevin Bacon in three steps. 

Henry is a huge ‘Footloose’ fan.....the original, not the remake. It’s all about Kevin Bacon. Always has been. 

Duh!

I think we all can agree everyone can rest easy now that TT's evil machinations have been thwarted.  

ChilliJon posted:

If GB wins the SB this year this thread will be an epic revisit. 

If I win a billion dollars in the lottery I'll buy everyone here a beer.

I would like a root beer.  Preferably a float.  

DH13 posted:

ChilliJon posted:

If GB wins the SB this year this thread will be an epic revisit. 

If I win a billion dollars in the lottery I'll buy everyone here a beer.

You're no Oprah

I'd prefer a nice mead. 

Ted never came across as an egotist, unless you talk to Patty (R.I.P.), he’s just a college scout and built his team through that lense. His only failing was that he didn’t seem to accept that you have to use the pro personnel side when you guess wrong in the draft.

PackerHawk posted:

I'd prefer a nice mead. 

Autumnal.

Grave Digger posted:

Ted never came across as an egotist, unless you talk to Patty (R.I.P.), he’s just a college scout and built his team through that lense. His only failing was that he didn’t seem to accept that you have to use the pro personnel side when you guess wrong in the draft.

I think both TT and McVince suffer from the egregious trait of affability, which seems to run its course pretty quick in the modern NFL.

I also wonder how TT's proximity to the implementation of the salary cap played into his draft only approach.

Two big reasons to be a D&D team.

1. Keeps the team young.  It's a young man's sport.

2. Keeps salary cap healthy which allows you to compete every year*  If you have the staff in place to draft well and develop well.

It's a catch-22 in today's parity driven league.  If you D&D well, you eventually get your knees taken out by having to draft toward the bottom of the round.  Some teams can overcome this with excellent scouting.  Some can't.

D&D. 

Nerd.  Nevermind that's the first thing that came to mind when I read D&D.

Queue JAPF.

Henry posted:

Obviously, this entire board hates umlauts.  

Anyway, like I was sayin', umlauts are the fruit of the egg.  You can make a cheese umlaut, ham-n-cheese umlaut, or a jalepeno umlaut.  You can fry it, microwave it, sous-vide it.   There's the Denver umlaut, Spanish umlaut, French potato umlaut, Alaskan umlaut, Western umlaut.....

i don't understand what is happening here, but i don't pile on someone who is no longer in charge.  i would rather pile on the man in charge.  for all we know, tt could have been sick and that affected his decisions, but in any case, geute is the man who will face all the crap in my books.  which - btw, he better not trade one of those firsts, the draft is looking pretty good for defense in the first round...could be very quick pass rush injection...this is a different thread, sorry...

Get your early tickets for the "I was right, Gurton Gecko sucks" train!  Stupid round head with all his hair jerkwad always talkin' about his holes.  (Although, seriously don't **** this up In-A-Guta-Da-Vida)

Whoever the next coach is a ****ing idiot!

#domcaperssucks

If we can be serious for a moment, wombat poop is shaped in little cubes.  

They literally shit bricks.  

Dump on that  

At least Dom had the decency to cover his bald head with a rug, Pettine just flaunts his baldness...no thank you. I want a DC who has the confidence to stand in front of the media and pretend there’s nothing on his head. That’s how you alpha. 

I can dump on him....YOU cannot.

End of story

No one can dump on him, he brought us a Lombardi trophy , don’tcha know.

Unlike McDumbass****stubbornface.

And trade Rodgers while we’re at it hey.

Isn't that s#*t legal in Canada, and Colorado now?

So now Peter Dougherty follows up Demovksy by taking shots at Ted. 

"former general manager Ted Thompson's poor drafting over his last few years, regardless of where he picked, accelerated the depletion of the Packers’ talent base, just as superb drafting early in his tenure built it up.

Also, while a few teams figured out ways to use free agency and trades to incrementally improve their rosters without busting their budgets, Thompson was a no-show in those markets."

https://www.packersnews.com/st...ame-goal/1777407002/

The timing of these types of stories mid-season after Ted's departure is  interesting.

I don't remember these guys harping on the Packers lack of talent before the season started, but maybe I missed it.

Is McCarthy behind these stories in order to protect himself if the team keeps stumbling? Or Gutey?

Or was there a lot more frustration behind the scenes at 1265 with Ted that is only now starting to come out?

again, i don't agree with hammering on a guy who is gone.  let's remember, he drafted a bunch of good players who this coaching staff didn't know what to do with...and ended up in the pro bowl AFTER the packers.  its easy to pile on with things in the rear view mirror, reporter should report on the current and future state of the packers.  maybe they are running out of crap to write about.

Ted is still studying film. His input was received warmly when he suggested trading down getting a 1$t next year, then back up to get Jaire.

He also had input on Josh Jackson. Ted loves Iowa guys.

Don't see the media pieces or their timing to be in any way significant. Pete's always been willing to criticize TT and you're seeing the stories now because the roster holes are becoming evident and the record reflects that.

 Dougherty: Packers' drafts missing the mark

That's from November 23, 2016.

Brainwashed Boris posted:

Ted loves Iowa guys.

Good thing Ted is gone then. Otherwise underperforming Ferentz would probably be the Packers next head coach. 

Penn State would disagree. 

Noah Fant please.

I think it was time to move on from Ted but his last few drafts were not as bad as the media has made it seem.  Yes 2015 was as bad as it gets and 2017 isn't shaping up well but 2014 and 2016 are looking pretty dang good: Adams, Clinton-Dix, Linsley, Clark and Martinez are all pro bowl caliber guys.  Clark, Martinez and Adams are looking like possible all-pros.  But it was time for Ted to step aside.  You could tell the game had passed him by.  Free agency just isn't as risky as it used to be.  Used to be all free agents were overpaid but that's just not the case anymore so Ted's complete aversion to it was a huge mistake.  The cap crippling Joe Johnson deals are the exceptions, not the rule.  

Thunderbird posted:

Noah Fant please.

Why? We got Jumpin Jimmy Graham!