Report: Packers' Allen Lazard out for the season after Surgery on Core Injury.
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In shotgun empty backfield, I hope they try Tyler Ervin in Cobb's spot. Then Jones.
Darrius Shepherd scares the heck out of me. Seems he's good for at least 1 brain fart a game.
Crap...put Dillon in..run the ball. Falcons cant stop the run.
I think it happened on the play Rodgers threw to Lazard towards the right sideline. Lazard look quick going into and coming out of his route. Once he caught the ball and turned up field he looked like he was running in mud.
Organization and AR appear to be fine with Shepherd and that's good enough for me. Get to the bye and they'll likely have back both Davante and ESB.
https://profootballtalk.nbcspo...ry-out-indefinitely/
I expect that the pundits are now going to ramp up the “Why didn’t GB draft a WR?” story again.
Oh, and I also wonder when fans are going to call for GB to bring Kumerow back from the Bill’s PS?
+90% of NFL teams that lose their #1 & #2 WRs will struggle. GB is in the 10%. Rodgers is dialed in to the MiLF offense, and with Jones, Ervin, Williams being able to line up outside - not seeing a big issue.
We might see Jones, Williams, Ervin outside and Dillon in the backfield come Monday night.
@PackerPatrick posted:Oh, and I also wonder when fans are going to call for GB to bring Kumerow back from the Bill’s PS?
I’m sure yelling for him to come back, BRING D III BACK.
Obviously will have a negative impact in the passing game.
Less obvious will be the negative impact it could have in the running game because of his size and blocking ability.
@PackerPatrick posted:https://profootballtalk.nbcspo...ry-out-indefinitely/
I expect that the pundits are now going to ramp up the “Why didn’t GB draft a WR?” story again.
Or why did the chose to spend their first 4 draft picks on this year's 3rd string QB (gave up a 4th rounder to move up 4 spots), a 3rd string RB, and a 3rd string TE. If they felt that Lazard was going to be a solid contributor and MVS would improve, then they had 3 decent WRs. Having almost nothing behind Kenny Clark on the DL and going with an older ILB that missed a combined 23 games the last 2 years is more of a problem.
Some people will bring up the Rodgers' 2005 draft pick. Yes, they picked a guy that wasn't going to play that year in the 1st, but they added key contributors that could at least help that year in the rest of the first 4 rounds. Nick Collins was Round 2 and Brady Poppinga was Round 4. Marviel Underwood was also Round 4 and he at least got on the field before hurting his knee the next year. Terrence Murphy (WR- Round 2) was also being worked into the rotation before his freak neck injury.
My problem with this draft wasn't the WR part. It was using all the premium picks they have for guys that are essentially redshirting.
Turn up your volume.
Oww.
That sounds painful. https://t.co/LMERtaemhe
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) October 2, 2020
I think any of the three picks in the given round by itself is fine. Maybe even two of the picks. But all three top picks that were not be planned as starters is the issue for me. If the Packers had the luxury of drafting any position because they didn't really have many holes, that's one thing. But they did/do have holes that could've been addressed.
They're 3-0 right now, so that's great. Hopefully KC, Kirksey and others get/stay healthy.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:Or why did the chose to spend their first 4 draft picks on this year's 3rd string QB (gave up a 4th rounder to move up 4 spots), a 3rd string RB, and a 3rd string TE. If they felt that Lazard was going to be a solid contributor and MVS would improve, then they had 3 decent WRs. Having almost nothing behind Kenny Clark on the DL and going with an older ILB that missed a combined 23 games the last 2 years is more of a problem.
Some people will bring up the Rodgers' 2005 draft pick. Yes, they picked a guy that wasn't going to play that year in the 1st, but they added key contributors that could at least help that year in the rest of the first 4 rounds. Nick Collins was Round 2 and Brady Poppinga was Round 4. Marviel Underwood was also Round 4 and he at least got on the field before hurting his knee the next year. Terrence Murphy (WR- Round 2) was also being worked into the rotation before his freak neck injury.
My problem with this draft wasn't the WR part. It was using all the premium picks they have for guys that are essentially redshirting.
To be fair, Funchess bugged out for the season so that didn't help the situation. Still, I agree completely. Love is not Rodgers. Also, considering they made no moves to bolster the middle of the D with the exception of Kirksey in FA is the part that kills me. I would've been more than happy to see a DT with that 4th rounder.
I don't know who is madly in love with Love but that's a hell swing they took. My perceived ceiling for Love is Alex Smith, can't complain too much I guess. Otherwise I'm hoping for some good draft capital.
They drafted this year like a team that was in 1 of 2 situations.
One reason to draft completely for the future like this is that you know you realistically need to upgrade a lot of personnel to compete for a title and you are looking 2-3 years down the road. This approach might have made sense last year when MLF was coming in to take over a 6-9-1 team with a declining QB.
The other reason to draft this way is that you feel you have veteran personnel like the 1996 Packer Super Bowl team and there isn't going to be a lot of playing time for new contributors anyway.
Obviously, this team was 13-3 last year and played in the NFC Title game. They were one game away from the Super Bowl, but I would have thought that anybody watching them play the Niners could tell that they clearly needed to upgrade personnel on the defensive side. They had the type of team where you usually take some chances and try to get over the hump. What's puzzling is that they had the tough positions to fill covered: great edge rushers, a really promising secondary that was only going to improve, the best LT in football, a top 5 WR, a top 10 RB, and a QB that was at least good enough to win with. You can usually find top contributors at the positions they most needed to upgrade (interior DL and ILB) near the end of Round 1 and even later because teams will draft guys at LT, QB, CB, and Edge Rusher higher than they often should because they are at such a premium. The Packers had all that covered.
The only thing I can think of is they thought Rodgers was in severe decline and they thought the 13-3 record was a bit of a mirage. Instead, he opens this season looking like the 2010-15 era Rodgers. If you knew he was going to be this good, you'd think you'd at least try to add a difference maker to get over the hump.
https://bleacherreport.com/art...rgery-on-core-injury
The original article said that Lazard was out for the rest of the season.
Jones and Ervin work at WR when it’s unexpected. If we are counting on them to beat CB’s then we are going to have a bad time.
Can they have Antonio Brown ready after the bye?
That was one play and he was blanketed. He can beat LBs and maybe a S. He’s not going to be getting open with any consistency against a NFL CB.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:They drafted this year like a team that was in 1 of 2 situations.
One reason to draft completely for the future like this is that you know you realistically need to upgrade a lot of personnel to compete for a title and you are looking 2-3 years down the road. This approach might have made sense last year when MLF was coming in to take over a 6-9-1 team with a declining QB.
The other reason to draft this way is that you feel you have veteran personnel like the 1996 Packer Super Bowl team and there isn't going to be a lot of playing time for new contributors anyway.
Obviously, this team was 13-3 last year and played in the NFC Title game. They were one game away from the Super Bowl, but I would have thought that anybody watching them play the Niners could tell that they clearly needed to upgrade personnel on the defensive side. They had the type of team where you usually take some chances and try to get over the hump. What's puzzling is that they had the tough positions to fill covered: great edge rushers, a really promising secondary that was only going to improve, the best LT in football, a top 5 WR, a top 10 RB, and a QB that was at least good enough to win with. You can usually find top contributors at the positions they most needed to upgrade (interior DL and ILB) near the end of Round 1 and even later because teams will draft guys at LT, QB, CB, and Edge Rusher higher than they often should because they are at such a premium. The Packers had all that covered.
The only thing I can think of is they thought Rodgers was in severe decline and they thought the 13-3 record was a bit of a mirage. Instead, he opens this season looking like the 2010-15 era Rodgers. If you knew he was going to be this good, you'd think you'd at least try to add a difference maker to get over the hump.
Or, another reason, they thought the 2020 wasn't going to be completed.
4th reason, they picked the best available players on their board when it was their turn.
@H5 posted:4th reason, they picked the best available players on their board when it was their turn.
That may be true, but they must have had Love very high on their board to trade up from 30 to 26 to get him. As someone said above, someone on their staff became very enamored with him. Hopefully, we don't have to find out if they were right for at least 2-3 years.
Petty, but it still bugs me @a few days later- “I” not “a”.
And now Kirksey is on IR. Both players will be able to return to active roster on Week 8. Get ready for more Summerstime. Kamal Martin can also return after the bye week.
Kirksey on IR? My only surprise is that it took him 3 weeks to get back to his comfort zone.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:That may be true, but they must have had Love very high on their board to trade up from 30 to 26 to get him. As someone said above, someone on their staff became very enamored with him. Hopefully, we don't have to find out if they were right for at least 2-3 years.
I think Gute and Co. are better judges of talent, than we give them credit for. I've heard from a guy who talks to GBP scouts, that they have had AJ Dillon on their radar since he was in High School.
@Pakrz posted:Kirksey on IR? My only surprise is that it took him 3 weeks to get back to his comfort zone.
Yeah.. good news is we won’t miss him. Watch him get trucked here, it’s so bad it’s hilarious
@mrtundra posted:I think Gute and Co. are better judges of talent, than we give them credit for. I've heard from a guy who talks to GBP scouts, that they have had AJ Dillon on their radar since he was in High School.
Like others have said, I have no problem with any of the individual picks (except giving up a 4th rounder to move up 4 spots in round 1 for Love). It's the fact they are getting almost nothing this year from the first 4 draft picks they had.
Dillon may be great in the future (like Love and DeGuara), but he's a third stringer this year. Love, DeGuara, and the 4th rounder they gave up have not contributed anything this year yet.
@BrainDed posted:Yeah.. good news is we won’t miss him. Watch him get trucked here, it’s so bad it’s hilarious
At least Summers and Martin have a chance to get better with more reps. Kirksey is 28 years old. He is what he is at this point.
Martin was one of their better looking players before the season started. Hopefully he can get back and make some plays.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:Like others have said, I have no problem with any of the individual picks (except giving up a 4th rounder to move up 4 spots in round 1 for Love). It's the fact they are getting almost nothing this year from the first 4 draft picks they had.
Dillon may be great in the future (like Love and DeGuara), but he's a third stringer this year. Love, DeGuara, and the 4th rounder they gave up have not contributed anything this year yet.
Disagree on DeGuara. He played well in the Vikings game. He was in line for a lot of playing time before his injury. 24 snaps in his first game, that's not spot duty.
Dillon, it's only been 3 weeks. I think he's going to be a factor this year.
Love, hope to not see him till 2024 or 2025.
@PackerHawk posted:Disagree on DeGuara. He played well in the Vikings game. He was in line for a lot of playing time before his injury. 24 snaps in his first game, that's not spot duty.
Dillon, it's only been 3 weeks. I think he's going to be a factor this year.
Love, hope to not see him till 2024 or 2025.
That's a fair point. He looked very good as a blocker.
And he would've had a TD on the long pass from Rodgers if he ran through it....
And I would have won the 100 meter dash in the 1976 Olympics if I was 8 seconds faster.
@H5 posted:+90% of NFL teams that lose their #1 & #2 WRs will struggle. GB is in the 10%. Rodgers is dialed in to the MiLF offense, and with Jones, Ervin, Williams being able to line up outside - not seeing a big issue.
We might see Jones, Williams, Ervin outside and Dillon in the backfield come Monday night.
And 1. 100% behind all 4 getting lots of playing time. Plus Deguara & Adams= cooking with gas. AR would pass for 500 yards against their triaged secondary!