Packer DB's vs #1 WR's..

Whether it was the shoulder injury or getting the big $$ when he signed his contract, Tramon just hasn't been the same DB.

 

Shield won't come cheap in a contract extension but I don't think there's any doubt who the number 1 corner is (at least for now). Hayward however could be one hell of a co-number 1 once healthy.

Give Shields Tramonya's cash

 

Shields belongs in GB...just look at his neck

Not exactly murderer's row of receivers or quarterbacks though. Green's stat line is the only impressive one on the list, though Garcon's has a lot of garbage-time puffery in it.

 The Packers depth at DB is nothing short of impressive, and in another recent article they talked about the different body types and coverage styles available on the roster;

Hayward has quicks & smarts, Shields is fast, Williams is experienced, House has length, Hyde is a great tackler etc.

 

That depth means that GB can afford to shade safety help toward the #1 WR without being too worried that they'll get gashed elsewhere.  Belicheck always talked about "taking away what you do best" and Capers is able to do that with the DBs he has available.

 

Few teams have the offensive firepower to stress all of the GB corners and the drop off from #1 to # 5 CB is much less than most other teams

 

And the same thing is true with the GB offense- few teams have the depth at corner to handle all of the GB pass catchers. Instead of focusing your offense on 1 main guy, GB comes at you with wave upon wave of demented avengers.

 

In a season-long War of Attrition, its clearly the way to go. Having many quality players beats having one Revis or one Nnamdi sucking up too much cap

 

And the even better part of the GB corners is how little it took to acquire them

 

Not a 1st rounder among them...

 

Tramon- undrafted

Shields- undrafted

Hayward- 2nd rounder

House - 4th rounder

Hyde-  5th rounder

Bush - undrafted

Nixon- undrafted

 

Show me a team that can build a Championship Corner Crew using only a 2nd, a 4th and a 5th  

 

 

 

 

I think Tramon has been good this year.

 

Shields is the one who's been off.

 

With Hayward coming back healthy I'd look for him to start to solidify himself as the top corner in that back field. TT wanted him in the draft, traded up to take him and he was nothing short of amazing his rookie year. He can cover anyone, and he's especially effective in the slot, which is rare.

why you say that bubble? 

I don't think Tramon's done anything much of note whereas I've seen Shields show up often.

Agree.

Here too.  Most have recognized Shields play and his part in shutting down some of the top WR's we've faced.  All I've seen from T is flags.  Granted he has been better than that but if that's what you get noticed for, you're not the best DB on this roster.

 

Heyward has not yet shown he can stay with the other guys' #1's on the outside.  Shields has.  T has faded there.

Shields has been tremendous this year. He's working hard for that contract. Tramon is showing his age and teams are testing him deep. He's had a couple nice break-ups and he's not playing poorly by any stretch, but he's showing some drop off. 

QB's have only thrown at Tramon 29 times, probably because he's blanketing his man, so that might explain why you don't hear much from him. He has also has 2 sacks. 

 

Shields has been thrown at much more (48 times) and allowed 400+ yards and 3 TD's. Shields was dominant last year and hasn't looked the same this year.

 

I see where you're all coming from. But I disagree.

Consistently covering the other team's #1 WR will have something to do with Shields getting thrown at a lot more.  The QB is throwing to his best WR.  How many yards and catches would TW have given up if you count the flags against him?  There is a reason SS is being put on their #1 this year instead of TW. 

I love their depth, no doubt about it, but breaking down the "vs. #1 receivers" doesn't paint them as a great unit. Most half-way decent teams can limit a #1 receiver as much or more than Green Bay has, it's what they do overall that paints a better picture, which is where their depth really shines. House, for example, generally shouldn't sniff a real #1 receiver in man coverage but as a dime back he's pretty darned solid.

They're not playing match ups this year. Witt said they're keeping TW and SS on the same sides of the field. Tramon is playing left, Shields is playing right. No match ups.

He said that in what, training camp?.  SS has been Torrey Smith, AJ Green, whatshisname from CLE, and Jennings - shutting them all down for the most part.

 

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I'm not necessarily saying that Shields is awful or anything. But I think it's unfair to say he's playing far and above Tramon at this point. Tramon has been good.

Witt may have said that, but it's not true. Shields is following the #1 this year. PFF has him at Left CB in 3 of 8 games and at right CB in the rest. He's allowing yards, but he's only allowing a 52% completion % which is pretty good considering he's being thrown at more than anyone on the team...Davon House and Tramon have a lower completion %, but they're being thrown at a little bit more than half as often. 

 

His stats are also a little skewed because of the scheme they had going against San Fran. They were playing a lot of zone coverage against San Fran, which was badly exploited by the savvy veteran Anquan Boldin. Shields is best in man and press coverage so it's no surprise that he gave up a lot of yards (even then he only gave up 50% of the throws at him and no TDs). Washington was his worst game by far, but it was the same as San Fran, a lot of Zone to try and keep the QB from running and the savvy Pierre Garcon racked up the yards. When he was allowed to play man vs. WRs, he gave up 4 rec. for 46 yards, 3 rec. for 31 yds., 2 rec. for 23 yds., 0 rec. for 0 yds., and 3 rec. for 46 yds. The crazy stat is that he only gave up 2 rec. for 23 yds. and 1 TD vs. Baltimore, but the QB rating was 129...that skews his season QB rating! 

 

Look at the surface and yeah he's given up 405 yds., 3 TDs, and an average rating of 92, but those surface stats don't tell even close to the whole story. 

No but the earlier post portrayed Shields as being lesser.  If Tramon has been good, which I agree with, then Shields has beeen very good/excellent.

I'm guessing the amount of zone GB used the first three games had something to do with Jennings and McMillian starting at S. Shields has given up 2 shaky TDs this year. One to Green in Cincy (low effort and he lobbied for offensive PI that didn't happen) and a TD to Jacoby Jones in Baltimore when he got caught peeking at Flacco. Other than that he's been solid while drawing opponents #1.

 

He's likely going to draw a lot of coverage on Marshall on Monday. Another tough test. 

I'm not saying shields has been awful or anything. But the assertion that he's been far and above tramon is bogus.

I don't think shields has been as good as some of you think. We will find out Monday. And I will gladly shut the hell up if shields owns Marshall

 

Ok, so it's not murderers row but it ain't chopped liver either.

 

QB's = Kaepernick / RG3 / Dalton / Stafford / Flacco. (3) 1st rounders & (2) high 2nd rounders including a Super Bowl MVP.

 

Then we have Weeden & Ponder ok, chopped liver on those 2 & we'll face McCown on Monday Night. Underestimating the Bears or their starting QB is a huge mistake.

I agree that Tramon's been decent...not playing like he did in 2010 but definitely still serviceable.

 

I have no idea what you're talking about with Shields. He's shutting down opposing receivers, not completely unlike what Revis was doing in his heyday with the Jets.

 

He's going to be the top priority for TT in the offseason I would think. I'm afraid he won't come cheap, either.

I think Raji, Daniels, and Jolly have made both Tramon and Sam look very good.