ChilliJon posted:This is such a bull**** stupid ****ing thread.
Win next week. Go from there.
You’re such a f*cking spaz... you don’t like the thread, skip it.
If we had a steel curtain defense, I'd be more optimistic than 5-5. But Dom has not proven that he can scheme to stop a decent O even with all his starters, so without them it's a matter of trying to score. If we had an Oline that had our tackles, I'd be more optimistic. Oline is a shambles with some guys starting who weren't expected to play at all. In short, injuries, and especially to Rodgers, will make it tough to keep the playoff streak alive.
Music City posted:ChilliJon posted:This is such a bull**** stupid ****ing thread.
Win next week. Go from there.
You’re such a f*cking spaz... you don’t like the thread, skip it.
PM Music. PM.
Music City posted:ChilliJon posted:This is such a bull**** stupid ****ing thread.
Win next week. Go from there.
You’re such a f*cking spaz... you don’t like the thread, skip it.
Some are incapable of dealing with the reality of the situation (that is the Pack playing without Aaron), so they take comfort in trying to denigrate and prevent others from addressing that reality.
I truly did not think anyone would find it offensive to contemplate what the team's record might be over the last 10 games of the season without ARod at QB. In fact, I think it is the biggest question in Packerland at the moment.
I tried to find your post of the Packers record with AR over the last 10 games of the season. I can’t find it. Any chance you can send that to me?
Line on the Saint game has moved ten points. Between no AR, an OL in shambles and a beat-up secondary that isn't all that good when healthy I see finishing .500 as the best they can do.
4-6
Of our remaining opponents, I could see 5 games we should win (Brown, Ravens, Bucs, Bores, 1 out of the 2 vs the Loins); make it 6 if I add the rematch vs the Vikes.
As it stands today, winning 3 out of those 6 games would be surprising; winning 4 would be a shock.
I'll say 2-8 over the next 10.
FWIW, I think it's likely either the East or South divisions will have 3 teams eligible for the playoffs. A division champ, most likely from the North, IMHO, will squeeze out a team with a better record, and it will take 10 wins for a wildcard berth because of that.
Trying to predict a final record is fun but foolish. Take yesterday. How many picked Atlanta, Denver, Kansas City and Oakland, all playing at home to lose? Exactly no one in the I2H pool. It's why you play the games. Will the Packers go 0-10 ? No. Will they go 10-0? No. But until you play the games either could happen.
The more I read this thread, the more optimistic I am about the season going forward. The big key maybe more than anything is for the injury situation to stabilize a bit after the bye and that's something nobody can really predict, need lady luck to be in the Pack's favor.
Get most of the starters back on the Oline and they'll compete, even with a backup QB in there. If they're starting the 6th string LT going forward they are going to have a tough time. Literally, that was the 6th string left tackle after losing Bahktiari, Bulaga, Spriggs, Murphy, Taylor. Absurd.
fightphoe93 posted:ChilliJon posted:Get King, House, Brooks, and the entire OL back. Get Biegel back.
Get a win by any means possible next week and get to the bye week tied for first.
Im so damned thankful the bye is coming up instead of behind them. Gives MM and the staff to reshuffle the offense around Hundley. Hundley was drafted based on what happened in 2013.
Anyone wants to waive the white flag, go full turtle and subscribe to Mel Kipers draft guide. Have at it. Just keep your quit internalized. No one actually cares you’ve given up.
I agree this team can compete if they are reasonably healthy even without Rodgers. Reasonably healthy to me means 4 out of 5 starters on Oline stay healthy and 5 out of top 6 DBs are healthy plus other position groups stay healthy. But if they can't stabilize the injury situation a bit, it would be a tall order to go 5 and 5 the rest of the year.
This.
It's simply a matter of attrition. I actually think Hundley is likely a better starting QB option than many QBs in this league. It simply doesn't matter if he's playing with a pre-season squad and the defense is so banged up they can't even attempt to show progress. Everybody takes the setback and it's such a significant amount of injuries they would be hard pressed to get one or two starters back and still make an impact if not to put said players into a injury situation again. Just let it play out and hope for the best. Maybe some of the scrubs really kick in with baptism by fire.
Let's be clear. The schit nozzle that started this thread had the intention he always does, piss on MM and TT. If said schit nozzle says otherwise he just confirms who he is as a liar who blindly follows a liar.
fightphoe93 posted:The more I read this thread, the more optimistic I am about the season going forward. The big key maybe more than anything is for the injury situation to stabilize a bit after the bye and that's something nobody can really predict, need lady luck to be in the Pack's favor.
Get most of the starters back on the Oline and they'll compete, even with a backup QB in there. If they're starting the 6th string LT going forward they are going to have a tough time. Literally, that was the 6th string left tackle after losing Bahktiari, Bulaga, Spriggs, Murphy, Taylor. Absurd.
Same here the more I read this thread and think about things this season is not lost yet. For me we will know better what we have as a team next Sunday. Hundley will get all the practice reps this week and you can see he showed flashes yesterday for what he could be. But, to me the whole key is how the OL plays.
Simple game. Often won/lost along the LOS, and you need a competent QB and a D that can stop/contain the opposing QB.
Packers need to get healthy on the OL and the DB. Simple.
And learn to cover the middle of the field underneath. Something they haven't been able to do for years.
Here's our remaining games, of which we realistically need 6 to contend for a Playoffs spot:
Saints
Lions (W)
@Bears (W)
Ravens (W)
@Steelers
Buccaneers (W)
@Browns (W)
@Panthers
Vikings
@Lions
I think after the Saints we can back-to-back-back as Hundley will find his stride. He's a talented kid and I don't take last Sunday's "quick get in there and save the day" as indicative of how he can play with full week-in/week-out preparation with the first team and a game plan revolving around his strengths.
After the bye this team can hopefully be healthy and take out the Buccaneers and Browns getting us to five. Then it's all down to Weeks 16 and 17 winner take all. Win against either the Vikings or Lions to get in.
Hopefully Rodgers heals up. It's his throwing shoulder so I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see him, at the earliest, until Week 16 or 17--if at all. My guess is he's going to do everything in his power to get back by Week 16 to get his revenge and throw 5 TDs for 400 yards.
Go Pack Go!
SteveLuke posted:Blair Kiel posted:To pile onto Chillijon's post, Steve Luke only emerges from under his rock when something bad happens......Steve, please don't show up in my stock market forum.
I'm here all the time thanks, just not as pro as certain posters.
Some would rather hate the messenger than contemplate the message. And that's what I'm here for, contemplation. I contemplate all you ****ers.
I have been worthless for more than just 3 more games. If I am mistaken, you and Chilli can certainly let the board know about it beyond what I have already worked so hard to convey.
Of course, I understand if you and he would rather not go on the record on this I
I don't think the season's over by any means. But we'll need significant uptick in injury come back froms and a new style of play for Hundley to win the most of these. Vikes are pussys
SteveLuke posted:Music City posted:ChilliJon posted:This is such a bull**** stupid ****ing thread.
Win next week. Go from there.
You’re such a f*cking spaz... you don’t like the thread, skip it.
Some are incapable of dealing with the reality of the situation (that is the Pack are nothing without Favre/Aaron), so they take comfort in trying to denigrate and prevent others of us more enlightened folks from addressing that hyperbolic prediction of the future.
I truly did not think I would find it offensive to contemplate what the Packers record will be over the last season without A QB. In fact, I think it is the biggest question in Packerland at the moment. I've given up all hope and own a sawed off.
If you LIKE a post, use the Like Reply feature. If you agree with or don't like/agree with a post, leave at is or state your position. Using the Reply With Quote option and then not adding anything to the discussion is useless, IMO.
Truly, as others have said, the record going forward will depend on the health of players around Hundley. Lots of guys need to get healthy and lots of guys need to step up and do their jobs. This is the moment where we need our veteran OL to help the QB with protection calls, we need our receivers to help him by making the correct route adjustments, the RBs need to pick up blitzes, and the play caller needs to give him better options. Hundley is capable of running our offense just fine, we don't need to simplify much for him, but he needs to have options beyond the video game throws that AR makes. They're going to blitz him hard going forward, this is where a veteran RB would help a lot.
I'm not an advocate for knee jerk signings or trades, but if I'm TT we need to have some better depth going forward. Nick Mangold would be a good start for the OL, if we're moving guys around then a veteran like Mangold at LG would be better than Lucas Patrick. Having youth on the OL that don't have the experience in protection calls in front of a QB who doesn't have that experience either is dangerous. Evan Mathis might be another veteran option. DeAngelo Williams would be a good veteran option at RB. He's not elite anymore, but he can pick up a blitz and he's a smart player.
Take em one at a time. We beat the Saints and we are 5-2. MM needs to really get the players focused on where they are in the standings. We got off to a good start so hopefully that keeps us in the race.
Signing vets means guys going to IR or being cut. Other than Taylor, doesn't seem like Bakh or BB have season ending injuries, so you'd be cutting healthy depth - regardless of experience there.
Not sure if D.Williams is what they need at RB, they need OL health first. If the OL continues to be what they ended yesterday with, not sure blitzing is necessary.
ZUF posted:Take em one at a time. We beat the Saints and we are 5-2. MM needs to really get the players focused on where they are in the standings. We got off to a good start so hopefully that keeps us in the race.
Being 4-2 does give hope. But then again, GB was 4-2 at this time last year as well and we all know what happened over the next four games... If MM/Dom doesn't let that happen again, GB still might make the dance.
pablopackerfan posted:SteveLuke posted:Music City posted:ChilliJon posted:This is such a bull**** stupid ****ing thread.
Win next week. Go from there.
You’re such a f*cking spaz... you don’t like the thread, skip it.
Some are incapable of dealing with the reality of the situation (that is the Pack are nothing without Favre/Aaron), so they take comfort in trying to denigrate and prevent others of us more enlightened folks from addressing that hyperbolic prediction of the future.
I truly did not think I would find it offensive to contemplate what the Packers record will be over the last season without A QB. In fact, I think it is the biggest question in Packerland at the moment. I've given up all hope and own a sawed off.
Henry posted:fightphoe93 posted:ChilliJon posted:Get King, House, Brooks, and the entire OL back. Get Biegel back.
Get a win by any means possible next week and get to the bye week tied for first.
Im so damned thankful the bye is coming up instead of behind them. Gives MM and the staff to reshuffle the offense around Hundley. Hundley was drafted based on what happened in 2013.
Anyone wants to waive the white flag, go full turtle and subscribe to Mel Kipers draft guide. Have at it. Just keep your quit internalized. No one actually cares you’ve given up.
I agree this team can compete if they are reasonably healthy even without Rodgers. Reasonably healthy to me means 4 out of 5 starters on Oline stay healthy and 5 out of top 6 DBs are healthy plus other position groups stay healthy. But if they can't stabilize the injury situation a bit, it would be a tall order to go 5 and 5 the rest of the year.
This.
It's simply a matter of attrition. I actually think Hundley is likely a better starting QB option than many QBs in this league. It simply doesn't matter if he's playing with a pre-season squad and the defense is so banged up they can't even attempt to show progress. Everybody takes the setback and it's such a significant amount of injuries they would be hard pressed to get one or two starters back and still make an impact if not to put said players into a injury situation again. Just let it play out and hope for the best. Maybe some of the scrubs really kick in with baptism by fire.
Let's be clear. The schit nozzle that started this thread had the intention he always does, piss on MM and TT. If said schit nozzle says otherwise he just confirms who he is as a liar who blindly follows a liar.
Headley should be able to run the O. The underneath stuff that was there for AR from WK1 that he finally started taking advantage of by WK3 when he had half an O line will be there again going forward. Henley needs to execute but yeah, what were SB obstacles 2a(OL injuries) and 2b(D injuries) and 2c(D weakness) have now all jumped to the front of the line with AR out. Like many have said, gotta stabilize the OL and secondary. Then we'll have a shot.
To have a chance in any of the remaining games the D has to keep us out of a hole. And some free points and good field position would be helpful, a return or two would be great, other teams do it. Coach 'em up Zook.
1. Get healthy. Or at least healthier.
2. Catch the ball. Can’t have anymore drops like Bennett and Ty yesterday. If Hundley does his job the recievers have to make it count.
3. For the love of all that is holy start tackling better on defense.
4. Hide every piece of equipment, pads, cleats, unis, and helmets for Randall and Ryan.
It’s not like everyone has to do more or things they’re not capable of doing. But everyone has to execute what they’re asked to do with the human safety net on the shelf.
Beat New Orleans. That’s all that matters right now.
Ty's drop for the TD really hurt. I think that would have tied the game?
To beat NOS I think they need King, House, and Brooks to return, for starters. Maybe they get Bakh back for NOS?
"When I went out there for that series in the third quarter, it just started doing things that we didn't like," Bakhtiari said of his ailing hamstring. "Came back off and talked to them and we just thought it would be smart to sit."
BB with the concussion and Taylor with the knee/ankle getting rolled up on likely means they are out for NOS.
Let's say Bakh can play LT v NOS, then they have LG-McCray, C-Linsely, RG-Evans, RT-John. That leaves Patrick and Pankey as the back-ups.
Lastly, this:
3. For the love of all that is holy start tackling better on defense.
Some way, some how, get a win v NOS and then see where the health is after the bye.
6-4. The final record of 10-6 gets us into the playoffs. Heck, there is a good chance that wins the division.
I have no idea why cobb isnt returning kicks. Davis and Janis fair catch parade isnt helping field position.
Nelsons gotta come down with a few of those too, he had some drops yesterday that he needs to make
You know I either read or heard somewhere that the Packers' fair catches on KOs were actually allowing them to be above average on returns. Teams that were trying to run it out were not consistently making it to the 25 yard line, so the Pack was actually above average just by doing nothing. That said, that was a couple of weeks ago I had heard that, maybe the stats have changed since that point.
I don't recall the last time I saw a returner for any team, since the new touchback rule, consistently make it past the 25.
The majority of the KO's league-wide are downed in the EZ and coming out to the 25. Teams have accepted this is the best option.
Saints (W) - I think MM gets them so hyped we'd beat the 85 Bears.
Lions (L) - Adrenalin wears off and reality sets in, we don't have the talent.
@Bears (W) - It's the Bears.
Ravens (L) - Ravens on the decline, but still decent.
@Steelers (L) - IN GB, they would have a chance.
Buccaneers (W) - These guys stink too.
@Browns (W) - Browns, nuff said.
@Panthers (L) - Would have been a tough game with 12
Vikings (L) - We won't be able to score more than 10.
@Lions (L) - Get knocked out of playoffs here.
4-6.
If Rodgers pulls off a miraculous return for the Det game, maybe we sneak into the playoffs. As is, I think we go 8-8 and miss the dance.
I have no idea why cobb isnt returning kicks. Davis and Janis fair catch parade isnt helping field position.
Want to get him injured, too?
At this point, that's a risk they probably should take. There's now no room for error. They made too many vs. a bad Vikings team and still lost without Rodgers to bail them out.
I would not assume a W vs. CHI. They beat BAL @ BAL yesterday and that stands for something. Also almost beat MIN @ MIN. Depends if they have any momentum going with Trubisky when we play them or if they've already started looking to next year.
fightphoe93 posted:You know I either read or heard somewhere that the Packers' fair catches on KOs were actually allowing them to be above average on returns. Teams that were trying to run it out were not consistently making it to the 25 yard line, so the Pack was actually above average just by doing nothing. That said, that was a couple of weeks ago I had heard that, maybe the stats have changed since that point.
interesting. by "kicks" I actually meant punts and kick-offs. field position is gonna be huge for this team without #12 and we need a spark there that Janis and Davis arent providing. Thats why I suggested putting Cobb there. Got to get him the ball somehow.
We're not paying him 10 million this year to stand around and watch Bennett drop the ball.
One game at a time. But all the injuries, continuing injuries to the OL in particular, does not bode well.
Then there is the stuck on stupid defense that only AR could overcome.
So it will be surgery, date not set, only "near future" per MM. They will wait until after surgery to see if they IR him. Bad enough it happened, but to his throwing arm side is worrisome for the future.
God bless Aaron Rodgers and bring him a speedy, uneventful, full recovery.