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In typical Packer fashion they did not make a big deal out of the network delay in the feed to the packers coache at Atlanta. But they did ask quesions about it to the leaque.
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I'm guessing they'll get an answer on Sunday
i think replay needs to be coordinated by the league, not the home team. It'd be like each team having their own set of refs for their home games.
I'm sure people will support it saying "it's home field advantage" or "it all evens out over a season" but this has absolutely nothing to do with the game of football.
I wonder if anyone has stats showing challenge success on the road vs at home.
I'm sure people will support it saying "it's home field advantage" or "it all evens out over a season" but this has absolutely nothing to do with the game of football.
I wonder if anyone has stats showing challenge success on the road vs at home.
If it is possible for the home team to significantly delay the feed to the opposing coaches booth, why not have a trusted person watching the game on TV and on the phone with the coaches booth during the game?
quote:Originally posted by EaganPackFan:
If it is possible for the home team to significantly delay the feed to the opposing coaches booth, why not have a trusted person watching the game on TV and on the phone with the coaches booth during the game?
Concur and I am sure that is exactly what the Patriots do
The whole delay thing is stupid and if it is being used to give competitive advantage instead of fixing mistakes, then something has to change and make it impartial
Teams will "cheat" in any way they can, so take away the opportunity
The Pack should just get their own camera... like this
Why was this thread so slow downloading?
The Packers stated that the replays were slow getting to the booth. Not the jumbotron.
quote:Originally posted by EaganPackFan:
If it is possible for the home team to significantly delay the feed to the opposing coaches booth, why not have a trusted person watching the game on TV and on the phone with the coaches booth during the game?
Home broadcasts via cable or dish are delayed 8-12 seconds (sometimes longer) which puts a home viewer at a disadvantage over someone there live. A bigger concern is that all of the networks prefer to show live shots of the coach or one of the star players instead of replays. There are numerous times each game when I shout at the TV for a replay and instead get another shot of McCarthy looking at his chart or a player with a blank stare.
The jumbotron is controlled by the home team. So there maybe some advantage. While the networks control the feed the stadium wiring is done locally. There is certainly an opportunity for manipulation, like having a fast internet connection vs. a slow one.
I certainly do not know if manipulation was going on, but it is an interesting way of gaining an advantage. I heard a story that this also happens in Chicago.
The whole thing sounds a bit like turning on or off the field heaters to gain an advantage. But that is a legitimate manipulate of game conditions to gain an advantage.
I certainly do not know if manipulation was going on, but it is an interesting way of gaining an advantage. I heard a story that this also happens in Chicago.
The whole thing sounds a bit like turning on or off the field heaters to gain an advantage. But that is a legitimate manipulate of game conditions to gain an advantage.
I didn't realize the Packers were talking about actual manipulation of the signals inside the stadium.
I do know the TV networks were very slow in showing a replay of the Gonzolas catch, that is no fault of the home team.
I do know the TV networks were very slow in showing a replay of the Gonzolas catch, that is no fault of the home team.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnor...te-the-nfls-response
Are the people in the director/producer chair for the networks given the ability to decide what is shown and when ? YES
Are the people in the director/producer chair unbiased and neutral ? NO
The original intent of Instant Replay was to correct mistakes, not to confer competitive advantage or to allow the Networks to have a say in the outcome of game-changing calls
Why give all that power to the networks who have their own self-interests to consider ?
Are the people in the director/producer chair for the networks given the ability to decide what is shown and when ? YES
Are the people in the director/producer chair unbiased and neutral ? NO
The original intent of Instant Replay was to correct mistakes, not to confer competitive advantage or to allow the Networks to have a say in the outcome of game-changing calls
Why give all that power to the networks who have their own self-interests to consider ?
quote:Originally posted by CUPackFan:
I'm sure people will support it saying "it's home field advantage" or "it all evens out over a season" but this has absolutely nothing to do with the game of football.
Trouble is, it may even out during the regular season because of the even number of home and away games, but it doesn't even out during the playoffs. You're just out if you lose. Too bad the the coaches can't tap into all the different camera angles the production truck gets live before the producer chooses which shot to use. Talk about a goldmine of visual data.
This is a traveshamockery. The NFL has to establish some common groundrules here.
There will be a whole lot of cameras on the Sat eve game. And with the visibility the issue is getting in the media, a whole lot of eyes now watching for manipulation.
I don't think the Falcons organization cares. They probably have a setup like the Buffalo Wild Wings commercials.
The Seifert article linked above is a good one. This is another one from him about a month ago, after the Falcons game.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnor...turn-of-the-soap-box
Agreed. You'll see a play that looks suspicious and they don't even comment on it until it's too late. Then there will be plays where they show it instantly and the booth guys are practically screaming for a coach's challenge.
The system is significantly flawed and needs to be fixed. Just going the college route with a few tweaks would be a huge step in the right direction.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnor...turn-of-the-soap-box
quote:Good officiating shouldn't rely on coaching challenges, the speed of television networks nor be subject to home-field advantage. The whole idea of having officials is to establish neutral third parties to administer and adjudicate the game as fairly as possible. The addition of coaching strategy, the reliance on network producers and the emergence of creative scoreboard operators block that ideal.
If there is going to be instant replay in pro football, I would much rather see it implemented with the same neutrality that officials are expected to operate under. You might be tired of hearing this from me, but why should a home team be more entitled to good calls than the visitors? McCarthy grimly referred to that as "part of our game," but I don't think it should be.
quote:Are the people in the director/producer chair unbiased and neutral ? NO
The original intent of Instant Replay was to correct mistakes, not to confer competitive advantage or to allow the Networks to have a say in the outcome of game-changing calls
Agreed. You'll see a play that looks suspicious and they don't even comment on it until it's too late. Then there will be plays where they show it instantly and the booth guys are practically screaming for a coach's challenge.
The system is significantly flawed and needs to be fixed. Just going the college route with a few tweaks would be a huge step in the right direction.
People need to STOP saying "the Falcons hurried up and ran another play".
They snapped the ball with 4 seconds left on the playclock IIRC.
They snapped the ball with 4 seconds left on the playclock IIRC.
I don't believe the Falcons hurried up. I do believe that they delayed the replay to the booth.
quote:Originally posted by GBFanForLife:
I don't believe the Falcons hurried up. I do believe that they delayed the replay to the booth.
I maintain that they hurried up and delayed the replay. They delayed the replay too quickly for McCarthy to react, or for that matter, even figure out what the hell I just said.
Then how do you explain there were only 4 seconds on the play clock? I guess McCarthy and the coaches in the booth are to slow and dumb to figure it out.
quote:Originally posted by GBFanForLife:
Then how do you explain there were only 4 seconds on the play clock? I guess McCarthy and the coaches in the booth are to slow and dumb to figure it out.
Relax, man. Read it again. I'm not disagreeing with you; it's a joke.
Falcons did go no huddle after that play. I think the game clock read 2:35. I'm not sure how many time outs the Packers had left, but with little time left in the half MM should have used one there if he was unsure. I do know that the most definitive replay was not shown until after 2 plays had run. This is from NFL Network replay shown today. I remember the game being the same.
Ammo is right.
FOX delayed the replays. Not the home team or their stadium.
The Falcons snapped the next play with 4 seconds on the play clock, yet FOX did not show a replay of the catch until 2 plays later.
It had nothing to do with a delayed feed to the coaches booth. There was no replay to be delayed!
FOX delayed the replays. Not the home team or their stadium.
The Falcons snapped the next play with 4 seconds on the play clock, yet FOX did not show a replay of the catch until 2 plays later.
It had nothing to do with a delayed feed to the coaches booth. There was no replay to be delayed!
The feed may refer to the in stadium (Jumbotron) replay. Not sure where that comes from. If the Falcons control that, I can see why it wouldn't be displayed in a timely fashion.
Jumbotron's are controlled by the home team. I've been to many a game where there is no replay shown on the Lambeau Jumbotron - and everyone at the game knows why and just hopes the Pack gets away with whatever it is. 
quote:That after experiencing a significant delay in their coaches booth on a critical replay of Falcons tight end Tony Gonzalez’s fourth-down catch that led to a touchdown, general manager Ted Thompson and vice president Russ Ball went to the NFL about it.
This was the crux of the article linked in the first post.
It makes no sense!
There was no replay to be delayed.
you lost me. Wouldn't the replay be of the catch that just happened? The type of replay you see a hundred times almost immediately every Sunday. The one you didn't get to see until two plays later in that situation.
Falcons fans inside the fox truck?
quote:Originally posted by:
This was the crux of the article linked in the first post.
It makes no sense!
There was no replay to be delayed.
Que?
Whoever wrote this article...is a buffoon and a dunce. Stirin' up trouble.
If he, who I noticed did not give his name in the byline, would have posed the question, "Why did FOX not show a replay of the catch in a timely fashion"?....that would have been an article. Whoooooowweee...that would have been an article that I would sit down and read RIGHT NOW!
But no. The man chooses to make up lies. Damn lies. About my client somehow "manipulating" the signal going into the coaches booth.
WHAT?
I don't even think that is possible. In fact I am pretty sure it is umpossible.
It's egregious!
It's contentious!
It's outrageous!
By the way, I met the actor who played Jackie Childs some years ago at my daughter's club volleyball match in LA. Turns out his daughter was playing against my daughter. He's the son of Greg Morris, famous from original Mission Impossible TV series, and is BIG FRIENDS with Donald Driver! In fact he showed me his laptop and his background had Donald doing a Lambeau leap. He's been at Lambeau for various games over the years--big Packer fan.
It's contentious!
It's outrageous!
By the way, I met the actor who played Jackie Childs some years ago at my daughter's club volleyball match in LA. Turns out his daughter was playing against my daughter. He's the son of Greg Morris, famous from original Mission Impossible TV series, and is BIG FRIENDS with Donald Driver! In fact he showed me his laptop and his background had Donald doing a Lambeau leap. He's been at Lambeau for various games over the years--big Packer fan.
quote:Originally posted by Boris:
Falcons fans inside the fox truck?
The NFL protects its shield and image as well as any entity on the planet
Their broadcast partners may on occasion be reluctant to embarrass the NFL by showing blown calls in a timely fashion, preferring instead to gloss right over it
Or maybe it was just a serial coincidence
quote:Originally posted by YATittle:
By the way, I met the actor who played Jackie Childs some years ago at my daughter's club volleyball match in LA. Turns out his daughter was playing against my daughter. He's the son of Greg Morris, famous from original Mission Impossible TV series, and is BIG FRIENDS with Donald Driver! In fact he showed me his laptop and his background had Donald doing a Lambeau leap. He's been at Lambeau for various games over the years--big Packer fan.
How was the cuisine at the match?
quote:Originally posted by FreeSafety:
Whoever wrote this article...is a buffoon and a dunce. Stirin' up trouble.
It is Jason Wilde, says it right at the bottom of the article. I happen to think he is quite good.
In the Kevin Seifert blog he mentions how the plays shown in the booth that day were well behind the live action. Sometimes a play or 2 behind.
While it is true that the most crucial replay was shown on TV after the next play there was another one that was shown that showed enough evidence to warrant a challenge in that situation. Apparently the video feed was not shown in time to the staff even to see that replay.
quote:kevin seifert
So if you were viewing at home, you saw a solid replay of the "catch" well before the Falcons took the next snap. But if you were in the coaches' booth, you didn't see that replay until after the next play occurred in live action. Without spending too much time in a space-time continuum debate, the bottom line is that McCarthy is right: His assistants didn't see any replay of the play until it was too late. Consider the internal feed delay another pock on the system as currently configured.
I like Wilde too.
I was
in character.
I was
you need a better tan to pull it off