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Well, well, well. Lookee here. It seems the two upstart teams from the NFC North actually do have some star power. The EasternSeaboardprogrammingnetwork had it all wrong, didn't they?

The Packers, with a coach whose playcalling is questionable, all the injuries, the bust AJ Hawk, somehow, someway made it to the NFC Championship game. They lost their starting RB and Stud TE yet still beat the Medias #1 pick last week. Who else did they beat? How about playoff team after playoff team? Little Green Bay, in the clumsy NFC North. My, how far you've come.

The Bears, with an aging defensive scheme and old players to boot, somehow made it to the NFC Championship game. Mike Brown is gone. Tommie Harris is a shell of his former self and Urlacher is old and coming off an injury. Winners of the NFC North. Cutler may have been sacked nearly 60 times but he kept getting up. He stayed positive and his team and its fans supported him. Forte stayed healthy and Devin found his way again. Bears beat the Packers once this year. They beat the Jets and they beat Pittsburgh last time they played them.

The most storied rivalry in the NFL comes down to this. Two teams. Two cities. Two burning desires to be the worlds best. It is with great honor that I break down the game:

Bears O VS. Packers D

Cutler has struggled vs. the Packers. The Bears did play the Packers tough in week 17 but everything they showed was vanilla. Martz and CO will be more than ready for Capers and his band of overachievers. How? Not because of Jay Cutler, although he has the potential to get hot and win the game. The answer is very simple-Matt Forte. Packers cannot stop him and he's healthy and hot. Olin knows this is his last shot and will shut down BJ. The only way the Bears can win this game is if Matt Forte can eclipse 150 total yards. Look for Martz to put the game on Fortes shoulders with a wide dose of screens to he and Olsen. Then, look for Knox and Devin to get deep. If Tramon the rookie can keep playing at this unexpected high level the Packers will have a chance.


Packers O vs. Bears D

Rodgers is the next Montana. You'd believe that if you listened to the media. G.B. is favored despite being the road team and everyone on every coast are waiting in line to say "I told you so" about Rodgers and his Packers. Not so fast. Somehow, some way, Lovie's cover two gives Rodgers problems. It's not the pass rush, but the Bears are in his head to a certain extent. Tillman, much like Kruetz is aging and breaking down, and has stripped the Packers down more than a hooker on NYE. Lovie wants to beat the Packers as much as the fanbase and he will work with Rod M. to develop another gameplan. Sheer will and hustle will keep the Packers from exploding the scoreboard. If the Bears can contain the big play against G.B.'s tough and talented WR's, the game will have to play out on the ground and that is where G.B. will struggle. The Bears will not allow over 80 yards on the ground. With Rodgers passing nearly every play in the fourth quarter in the elements, at Solider field, look for the oportunistic Bears to cash in.

Special Teams


Week 17s outstanding performance aside, the Packers Special Teams "coach" should be fired. Just one more game, Packer fan, one more game. This area is unquestionably a strength for the Bears. Devin Hester is a beast and lives for the big game. Same goes for Robbie.

Final prediction and score


As much as I want my Bears to win, I want the Packers to lose. I want their players crying in the endzone when that gun goes off. I want them bloody, bruised and sulking all the way back to Green Bay. The overhyped Packers and their fans wish they could play the underdog role, but they cannot. Everyone is picking them and already crowning them. Hopefully Rodgers' cute (i.e., gay) little championship belt celebration will bite him in his dumbass. I've never seen a more obnoxious celebration. Out of a QB nonetheless. After a first down. Pathetic.

Packers 10
Bears 16
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Somehow, some way, Lovie's cover two gives Rodgers problems. It's not the pass rush, but the Bears are in his head to a certain extent.


2008 versus CHI W 37-3; QBRat 105.8; 23 for 30; 227 yards; 2 TDs, 1 Int

2008 @ CHI L 17-10; QBRat 87.6; 24 for 39; 260 yards; 2 TDs, 1 Int

2009 versus CHI W 21-15; QBRat 92.0; 17 for 28; 227 yards; 1 TDs, 0 Int

2009 @ CHI W 21-14; QBRat 88.9; 16 for 24; 180 yards; 0 TDs, 0 Int

2010 @ CHI L 20-17; QBRat 92.5; 34 for 45; 316 yards; 1 TDs, 1 Int

2010 versus CHI W 10-7; QBRat 89.7; 19 for 28; 229 yards; 1 TDs, 1 Int



RODGERS' TOTALS VERSUS CHI:

4 wins, 2 losses
92.6 QBRat

68.6 completion percentage
233 yards/game
7 TDs
4 INTS
1.5 Sacks/game



I normally ignore this moron, mostly because I think he likes "attention". But I'm not so certain the Bears' D in in Rodgers head.



For comparison, here's Cutler's career totals against the Packers (of which the last 4 games were under a Capers defense):

CUTLER's TOTALS VERSUS GB:

1 wins, 4 losses
65.0 QBRat

57.0 completion percentage
228 yards/game
5 TDs
9 INTS
14 Sacks in 4 games against a Caper's D



I wonder which coordinator/defense might be in the opposing QBs head more?
The Pack clearly outplayed the Bears in the first meeting, but we all saw what that got them. Penalties, turnovers, leaving points on the field all contributed to a Bears win. The second game was a typical GB-CHI division battle, mostly defense and low scoring.

At this point most Bear fans are pointing to the second game as a sort of barometer as to where these teams stand with respect to each other. The first game is so long ago that neither team is really the same squad anymore. I don't know how much one can take from the second game though. Lovie played his starters for 4 qtrs, presumably so he wouldn't have to face what now stands in his way, and came up short. The Packers, as they normally do against their division rival, left plays and points on the field, and didn't play their sharpest game offensively. It was a hard fought win for sure, with everything on the line.

In my biased view, I see this Green Bay team as clearly better top to bottom than the Bears. They have playmakers on both sides of the ball, they rally around one another when things get bad, and they have weathered many storms throughout the season.

The Bears have had a typical Bears season- good defense and special teams, a good running game with Forte, and good and bad in Jay Cutler.

On defense the most impressive thing to me is their tackling ability. Whether it's swarming to the ball or open field one on one tackles, the Bears are possibly the best tackling defense in the league. They play sound techniques and are clearly a savvy crew, and they know how to get inside the heads of the opponent.

The offensive line glitches seem to have been ironed out, Forte has bounced back from a subpar year, and Cutler, when he plays within the game, can do some damage. Olsen is a weapon in the passing game, and the WRs have the ability to get deep.

It's hard to look at the Packers right now and determine which side of the ball is playing better, forgetting sp. teams for the moment. The offense has been virtually one dimensional most of the year, no run game to speak of, and has gotten the job done save for a few close games. The defense has held it down when times were the toughest, something we didn't see in years past, mainly due to Capers and his staff, but also a great mix of vets and young talent that has meshed at the right time.

I do believe the Bears will slow down Rodgers, or at the very least it will not be the 48 point output we saw last week in the dome. It's a division game, both teams know each other, and Lovie usually schemes well for this type of game. I also think Forte is the man to stop, as everything else falls into place as he goes for the Bears O.

In the end, I see this as a battle of which QB makes the critical mistake late in the game. Rodgers can be forced into mistakes by a good defense, but he is also the smarter of the two QBs. I believe this game is Cutler's to win or lose, and if Capers brings the heat, the real Jay Cutler will rear his ugly head, and undo his team at home. 20-13 Pack.
Nice post, Artis. It's really a duel of the better QB and it's hard to argue that Cutler is better than Rodgers right now straight up. I'm hoping the Bears have a great, team effort. As it always is with us. Chicago Bears...total team effort.

Apologies for overstating on Rodgers a bit there.
Signed D.C.

Sometimes I feel so lonely
My comedown I'm scared to face
I've pierced my skin again, Lord
No one cares
For me

My soul belongs to the dealer
He keeps my mind as well
I play the part of the leecher
No one cares

For me, cares for me

Look out Joe, I'm fallin'
I can't unfold my arms
I've got one foot in the graveyard
No one cares
For me, cares for me

Signed D.C.
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Originally posted by DeepChicago:
Hopefully Rodgers' cute (i.e., gay) little championship belt celebration will bite him in his dumbass. I've never seen a more obnoxious celebration. Out of a QB nonetheless. After a first down. Pathetic.

This just about sums up why the celebration is so amazing... It pisses off other fans to no end. Rodgers will rip his victim's heart out and let them watch it while they die slow agonizing deaths. No mercy from #12. Be scared.
I love this rivalry. I cannot think of any better way to get to the Super Bowl. If the Packers lose, then they didn't deserve it.

I'm really enjoying this journey. I hope it continues.
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Originally posted by DH13:
Not bad. Started out good, interesting, then became a gradient toward crap...




There's no 'secret weapon' for either team. It all comes down to winning personal matchups.
Sure, I'm a homer, but I can't see the Bears defense covering our WR's consistently. IF; and that a BIG if, ARod has time, he will dissect them just like he did Atlanta's defense.
Our biggest challenges will be on defense and kick/punt returns. I expect Raji, CM3, Woodson, and Tramon to have a big game. This is the defense that held 'em to 3 points a few weeks ago; much different than the one that played the early game. Of course, containing Forte is a key. There's no way ****ler can play well enough over the course of the entire game to beat us. Especially when he's ass up ready to be poodle-punched by our pass rush.
I didn't know that Tramon was a rookie? Confused

Anyway, to me I think the teams are pretty evenly matched but I give a big edge to Rodgers and the Packers passing game and I give a big edge to Chicago and their return guys.

If you are the Packers, you have to hope you can contain Hester and Manning, and if you are the Bears you have to hope you can hit Rodgers and rattle him- or at least prevent him from going off.

The real wild card as I see it are the OLs of both teams. While they played well last week (Chicago), it's also a fact that Cutler has been sacked 52 times this year. The Packers OL has played better recently, but in the first Chicago game they were dreadful.

Should be an interesting game and if both teams play their "A" game the Packers should win by 7-10 points.

I'll say 24-17 Packers or something like that.
CMIII: DPOY
Woodson: Pro Bowl
Collins: Pro Bowl
Tramon: Playing at a Pro Bowl level
Raji: Playing at a Pro Bowl level
Jenkins: Playing at a borderline Pro Bowl level

2nd in the NFL in sacks

"Overachievers" my backside.
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This is the defense that held 'em to 3 points a few weeks ago; much different than the one that played the early game. Of course, containing Forte is a key.


Timmy, Timmy...They were playing "vanilla". It was a pre-season game for them. They've been saving everything. The Bears are going to do so much new stuff on offense that our defense will be on it's heels. Martz is 100 times better than Dom.
I thought it was a pretty good assessment.
What I think it will come down to is the Packers have gotten better each game, while the Bears have stalled.
The Bears have not gotten better and beat one of the worst teams in the NFL.
Not something to hang your hat on.
Plus the Packers have had an extra day of rest and they are younger and more able to weather the long season.
Ah Coach. Get with the program here.


Chitcago = great defense. Doesn't matter where they are ranked, they are great. probably the best ever. Monsters of the midway. Cower in fear.

Green Bay = overachievers. They got lucky, played an easy schedule, clearly don't have the bears talent, blah blah blah. They CAN'T be good so obviously they are "overachievers".
I love the "vanilla defense" claim I keep hearing for week 17.

So Lovie sent his starters out there for 4 quarters to win. Lets his starting QB get his azz knocked around, but handcuffs him by playing a vanilla O the entire game?
Bullschit!! You don't risk the health of your starters and especially your QB in the last game of the season when you have nothing to gain, except to knock out a rival. Then handcuff your O against one of the best D's in the league. That makes absolutely no sense.

I can only hope Lovie and Martz take our D as lightly as you do DC.
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Originally posted by PackLandVA:

RODGERS' TOTALS VERSUS CHI:

4 wins, 2 losses
92.6 QBRat

68.6 completion percentage
233 yards/game
7 TDs
4 INTS
1.5 Sacks/game



Those numbers are surprising as it appears that the Pack offense does struggle against Chicago to some degree.

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Originally posted by Mr.Yuck:
I love the "vanilla defense" claim I keep hearing for week 17.


Isn't the cover 2 in theory a vanilla defense? Rush four, hope you get pressure and keep everybody in front of you? I realize it's not THAT simple but it is a defense that relies on the player's talent more than the scheme. Am I wrong on this?

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Originally posted by PhxPacker:
What I think it will come down to is the Packers have gotten better each game, while the Bears have stalled.
The Bears have not gotten better and beat one of the worst teams in the NFL.
Not something to hang your hat on.


I disagree with the Bears comment. They have gotten much better as the season has progressed. It is still shocking to me the Pack lost that game early in the year. It was a perfect storm of luck for the Bears and stupidity on the Pack.

IMO, the Pack is the better team by a decent margin. That is why I am so nervous about this game. No way can this team walk away from this game with a loss and have a good taste in their mouths about this season. The pack is the better team and they are playing the bitterest of rivals.

What an exciting Sunday this will be!
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Originally posted by chickenboy:


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Originally posted by Mr.Yuck:
I love the "vanilla defense" claim I keep hearing for week 17.


Isn't the cover 2 in theory a vanilla defense? Rush four, hope you get pressure and keep everybody in front of you? I realize it's not THAT simple but it is a defense that relies on the player's talent more than the scheme. Am I wrong on this?



By "defense" I meant the defense, (read excuse), the Bears and Chicago media/fans are throwing out there as to why they lost in week 17 and why the Bears O will shock the Packers D on Sunday. Not the defense the Bears were actually throwing at the Pack in week 17. The way I worded that was kind of misleading.
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Originally posted by Boris:
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This is the defense that held 'em to 3 points a few weeks ago; much different than the one that played the early game. Of course, containing Forte is a key.


Timmy, Timmy...They were playing "vanilla". It was a pre-season game for them. They've been saving everything. The Bears are going to do so much new stuff on offense that our defense will be on it's heels. Martz is 100 times better than Dom.


This,it's pretty much the Chicago media,and fans mantra so far this week. You know those Packers. Their just not that good.


BLAH! I've been eerily reminded this week of exactly how arrogant and pompous the majority of Chicago sports fans/media can be.
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On defense the most impressive thing to me is their tackling ability. Whether it's swarming to the ball or open field one on one tackles, the Bears are possibly the best tackling defense in the league.


I think if you have watched more Bear games you would probably have a different assessment. there tackling has been inconsistent at best. There has been some improvement toward the end of the year, but thru the first half of the year there isn't one D guy I would not have shot. some of the secondary guys get too wrapped up in trying to strip the ball they get drug for 10 yds.

As for the "vanilla defense" in the last game, what the hell do you think the Tampon 2 is? Lubbie's D doesn't throw too much out of the ordinary at anyone. Sometimes I am amazed at this D. What happens is qbs get antsy and end up making dumb throws. The Bears give the slants and underneath sh it away all game long.

In the last game what happened is Martz reverted to his old ways. 5 and 7 drops were re-introduced and Cutler got killed. That was the first game in about 8 weeks where the run-pass ration got out of whack toward the pass. The second half of the season I believe the Bears were 2nd in run attempts.

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I love this rivalry. I cannot think of any better way to get to the Super Bowl. If the Packers lose, then they didn't deserve it.

I'm really enjoying this journey. I hope it continues


Boris couldn't agree more as Bear fan. I am still in shock the Bears are where they are at. I had them pegged for 7 wins max. There have been some breaks this year, obviously, but they have also made some breaks.

Well, they did have Todd Collins waiting in the wings if Jay got hurt in Week 17 while we limped in with Matt Flynn to back up.

BTW, what if Jay Cutler gets his arse knocked TFO early in the game ... on comes Todd Collins.
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Originally posted by PoHarry:


As for the "vanilla defense" in the last game, what the hell do you think the Tampon 2 is? Lubbie's D doesn't throw too much out of the ordinary at anyone. Sometimes I am amazed at this D. What happens is qbs get antsy and end up making dumb throws. The Bears give the slants and underneath sh it away all game long.



Harry, I'm assuming you were talking about my post. I actually clarified with my response to chicky. The "vanilla defense" thing was actually about the Bears O.
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Originally posted by Mr.Yuck:

By "defense" I meant the defense, (read excuse), the Bears and Chicago media/fans are throwing out there as to why they lost in week 17 and why the Bears O will shock the Packers D on Sunday. Not the defense the Bears were actually throwing at the Pack in week 17. The way I worded that was kind of misleading.


I'm with ya Yuck, it is such a ridiculous "defense" on why the Bears lost. That is one of the first things my buddy told me, 'we played vanilla'. Really?????? You had the opportunity to knock your hated rival out of the playoffs, you played your starters all game, your QB is getting the schit knocked out of him, and you lost because you didn't want to "tip your hand"???? That type of stuff works when you play a team in back to back games like (GB/AZ in '10), but not when you have a week off, and MIGHT see your hated rival for a 3rd time in 2-3 weeks.

The other thing that is so ridculous about the "vanilla" defense is there is 15 games on tape out there, so by playing vanilla, what is that proving? Teams are going to ignore the previous 15 other games of tendencies on tape?

Might be one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.

One last point, I had a few friends that are bears fans, that told me knocking the Packers OUT of the playoffs would be MORE satisfying than winning a playoff game. If their goal was to ruin the Packers season, they had a chance and did not accomplish it.
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Originally posted by chickenboy:
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Originally posted by PackLandVA:

RODGERS' TOTALS VERSUS CHI:

4 wins, 2 losses
92.6 QBRat

68.6 completion percentage
233 yards/game
7 TDs
4 INTS
1.5 Sacks/game



Those numbers are surprising as it appears that the Pack offense does struggle against Chicago to some degree.


CB

The topic starter of this thread didn't say the Packers O has struggled against the Bears D. He stated
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Somehow, some way, Lovie's cover two gives Rodgers problems. It's not the pass rush, but the Bears are in his head to a certain extent.


Not according to the numbers above. But to your point, yes the Packers offense has failed to put up a significant amount of points, but has gained yards.
That is Lubbie's mantra about the Tampon 2, they will give up yards and not be worried about it. What counts is points. It is frustrating as hell as a Bear fan to see teams slant their ass up and down the field though. Thank goodness they toughen up the majority of the time and hold teams to 3. (except the Pats!!)
Who cares about week 17 at this point? Vanilla my butt.

This is going to be one tough game on Sunday and I believe the Pack (we) will be playing Pittsburgh! I do see a great and close game on Sunday with the Packers having too much for the Bears to handle (as long as we stop the run or contain the run <120 yards)!

Go PACK!!!!
It's an easy excuse for Bores fans

"We played vanilla defense"

Well, I watched that game and it sure looked to me like the Bears were playing hard and trying to win the game.

The bottom line is that GB beat Chicago- and beat them pretty handily even though the score was only 10-3.

Don't think for a second that the Bears won't be thinking about that especially if the Packers get up on them early. The Packers should have a ton of confidence knowing that when it mattered the most - a few weeks ago- the Bears didn't or couldn't beat them.
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they beat Pittsburgh last time they played them.


DC, what in the hell does this have to do with anything? Should we bring up the fact Rodgers is 1-0 with Payton Manning too?

Go back and put the fries on.
All this talk about the great Bears defense and their pass D gave up around 30 yards fewer than Atlanta did this season. that's over the course of the year, not yards per game. We all saw what the Packers did to that defense. Their last 4 home games, all cold, the Bears have given up:

333 yards to Vick
369 yards to Brady
269 yards to Sanchez
258 yards to Hasselbeck

They are also giving up 30 points/game.

If anyone really thinks the Bears are going to score 30+ points against Green Bay's defense I think they are insane. Most they have given up all season was 26 and that was week 4.
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Originally posted by DeepChicago:
Well, well, well. Lookee here. It seems the two upstart teams from the NFC North actually do have some star power. The EasternSeaboardprogrammingnetwork had it all wrong, didn't they?

The Packers, with a coach whose playcalling is questionable, all the injuries, the bust AJ Hawk, somehow, someway made it to the NFC Championship game. They lost their starting RB and Stud TE yet still beat the Medias #1 pickthe Falcons last week. Who else did they beat? How about playoff team after playoff team? Little Green Bay, in the clumsy NFC North. My, how far you've come.

The Bears, with an aging defensive scheme and old players to boot, somehow made it to the NFC Championship game. Mike Brown is gone. Tommie Harris is a shell of his former self and Urlacher is old and coming off an injury. Winners of the NFC North. Cutler may have been sacked nearly 60 times but he kept getting up. He stayed positive and his team and its fans supported him. Forte stayed healthy and Devin found his way again. Bears beat the Packers once this year. They beat the Jets and they beat Pittsburgh last time they played them.

The most storied rivalry in the NFL comes down to this. Two teams. Two cities. Two burning desires to be the worlds best. It is with great honor that I break down the game:

Bears O VS. Packers D

Cutler has struggled vs. the Packers. The Bears did play the Packers tough in week 17 but everything they showed was vanilla.Martz and CO will be more than ready for Capers and his band of overachievers. How? Not because of Jay Cutler, although he has the potential to get hot and win the game. The answer is very simple-Matt Forte. Packers cannot stop him and he's healthy and hot. Olin knows this is his last shot and will shut down BJ. The only way the Bears can win this game is if Matt Forte can eclipse 150 total yards. Look for Martz to put the game on Fortes shoulders with a wide dose of screens to he and Olsen. Then, look for Knox and Devin to get deep. If Tramon the rookie can keep playing at this unexpected high level the Packers will have a chance.


Packers O vs. Bears D

Rodgers is the next Montana. You'd believe that if you listened to the media. G.B. is favored despite being the road team and everyone on every coast are waiting in line to say "I told you so" about Rodgers and his Packers. Not so fast. Somehow, some way, Lovie's cover two gives Rodgers problems. It's not the pass rush, but the Bears are in his head to a certain extent. Tillman, much like Kruetz is aging and breaking down, and has stripped the Packers down more than a hooker on NYE. Lovie wants to beat the Packers as much as the fanbase and he will work with Rod M. to develop another gameplan. Sheer will and hustle will keep the Packers from exploding the scoreboard. If the Bears can contain the big play against G.B.'s tough and talented WR's, the game will have to play out on the ground and that is where G.B. will struggle. The Bears will not allow over 80 yards on the ground. With Rodgers passing nearly every play in the fourth quarter in the elements, at Solider field, look for the oportunistic Bears to cash in.

Special Teams


Week 17s outstanding performance aside, the Packers Special Teams "coach" should be fired. Just one more game, Packer fan, one more game. This area is unquestionably a strength for the Bears. Devin Hester is a beast and lives for the big game. Same goes for Robbie.

Final prediction and score


As much as I want my Bears to win, I want the Packers to lose. I want their players crying in the endzone when that gun goes off. I want them bloody, bruised and sulking all the way back to Green Bay. The overhyped Packers and their fans wish they could play the underdog role, but they cannot. Everyone is picking them and already crowning them. Hopefully Rodgers' cute (i.e., gay) little championship belt celebration will bite him in his dumbass. I've never seen a more obnoxious celebration. Out of a QB nonetheless. After a first down. Pathetic.

Packers 10
Bears 16


Edited to remove all bias and (numerous) inaccuracies.

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