Packers cannot feed everyone at WR

The idea of GB being loaded at WR sounds great on paper. But as Watson has pointed out and I have no doubt Doubs and others feel the same way, you are your own corporation in this league.

Guys want their big contracts and these players are seeing what other WR's can make in the NFL.

I just wonder how long this stays peaches and cream before this gets uglier then what we've seen already with Doubs.

Watson is a one-trick pony. He is the vertical threat. But this offense works better when that threat is there.

Doubs is the clutch guy...he makes all the tough catches.

Reed is our Deebo...he is the guy who you can run out of every possible slot. You HAVE to get him the ball in as many ways as possible.

Depends which version shows up...Dontayvion Wicks or Wontayvion Dicks. Way too inconsistent right now.

Kraftwerk is the mismatch we have been dreaming about since Mark Chmura retired. You find a fucking way to get him the ball...he doesn't need volume, his spots need to be picked. There will be games he gets 8 catches and 2 TD...there are games he will get 2 catches and 0 TD...like all the elite TE...Kelce, etc.

I'm taking TK out of the conversation...but this is WR logjam is 100% the problem Brian "Karl Hungus" Gutekunst wanted. Good problem to have. DFH actually.

@packerboi posted:

I just wonder how long this stays peaches and cream before this gets uglier then what we've seen already with Doubs.

Karl will deal one of them for picks when it gets to that point.

@Chongo posted:

Karl will deal one of them for picks when it gets to that point.

That would be my guess as well. The Bucs among others are very WR needy teams right now. And no, an old Hopkins to KC ain't going to do shit for them either.

It'll be interesting to see who Gute might consider dealing and what he'd get in return. I haven't thought about dudes like Melton and Heath who are long forgotten right now as well.

We can put a man on the moon but we can't feed all of our receivers?

But Watson can do something about it.  Get better so they have to throw to him.

I think over the past couple weeks teams have really focused on stopping Reed from getting explosive plays. As I don't recall him having any the last two weeks. If they are that focused on Reed, that means others like Doubs and Wicks and potentially Watson etc. will get more opportunities.

Watson is also covered and double covered a LOT. (See Niners in playoffs last year) Because of his speed. Teams watched him torch Budda Baker vs. the Cardinals. He's too fast, so teams account for him. That's also part of it. If they leave Watson single covered, you get what happened to KC last year....3 TD's for Watson. That's not a recipe for success for the opposition.

Patience. Watson will get his and this is much ado about nothing.

Win the Super Bowl first, then Worry about getting paid because I PROMISE you will.

@Dr._Bob posted:

But Watson can do something about it.  Get better so they have to throw to him.

As Silverstein (and it's not just him) pointed out regarding last week, Watson was streaking wide open on the TD to Doubs where Doubs had to readjust his body and then dive into the EZ.

Love's better decision and more open WR was Watson. And Watson also pointed out in the AZ game, the deep pass wasn't being respected and safeties weren't respecting his speed. So MLF dug up a deep route he didn't use the game before that and it worked beautifully as Watson blew past Baker.

So it's not always about WR's needing to get better or get open. They already are and the ball isn't going them.

Yes, it's a great dilemma for the team to have. It's not always viewed that way by the player.

"I need to eat".

Good point.

Watson and Musgrave should have some market value if it doesn't materialize here in the 2nd half

@ByRyanWood: Adam Stenavich asked if #Packers need to get the football more to Christian Watson: "Yeah, we do. It's as simple as that."

Adam Stenavich expounds on getting Christian Watson more targets: "You definitely want to get the football to Christian Watson. He is a playmaker. He has shown an ability to make some pretty big plays. It's just a matter of getting the plays for him in the game plan called."

we have a guy that can take the top off a defense and now some would trade him?  I...   nevermind

I'll take our WR/TE corps over anybody's. Love these guys!

I think more and more teams have concluded that having the best (ie highest paid) player is game changing only at one or 2 positions. I'd say QB and Edge, some might argue LT. KC let Tyreek Hill go rather than pay top dollar for him; they had the best QB. Miami is better because of Hill, just as Oakland was better because of D Adams . Both are consistent play makers but neither of those teams challenged the established order.

You can win the superb owl with simply good receivers. If one of them gets a windfall offer in FA or wants the opportunity to earn one by eating the whole buffet with another team, you can't hamstring team building by over paying for slightly better production in your own system

Love the GB WR problem. Don't want to lose any of then. But, if the team gets better with a trade they still have Melton and Heath (as was mentioned) and the PS guy Hicks is an intriguing future option.

The WR problem is not just 4 guys.

@Tdog posted:

we have a guy that can take the top off a defense and now some would trade him?  I...   nevermind

Yes.... "can".

Could, could and can.

It's been 3 years

I said if it's still not happening by end of year, he will have some trade value so could be an option since we have so much talent there already

@WolfPack posted:

Watson and Musgrave should have some market value if it doesn't materialize here in the 2nd half

85 is tending to his long term health in the same way someone treats a car they just entered into a demolition derby to make the rent money that's due on Monday. Kraft is embracing his inner Chuck Yeager and is likely to never see a big money third contract in this league. I hope he makes it to his second and fights for every last dime. He blowtorches both ends of the candle with his work ethic. It's both incredible to witness and incredibly unwise for his long term self interest. He's an awful mix of willing, game, and valuable to the extent the coaches always want him out there because of his impact on every play and he'll do it even if he should be letting his body heal. Guy doesn't know no. He's a coach's and agent's dream.

Musgrave isn't 85.  Musgrave is a Jimmy Graham style TE and he has ridiculously beneficial cost control for another two years after this one. Depth is strength. If they need him it looks nothing like the way they use 85.  If receivers start dropping like flies Musgrave shoots up the depth chart in a hurry.  Gute loaded up the offense with a 4 inch wide Swiss army knife worth of silly tools for MLF to scheme with. There's scheme for him other teams have no looks on yet. 0 day exploits can come up big at the biggest moments. Tyrone Davis had that benefit in the old days. We're incredibly lucky to have the depth we have. We especially shouldn't trade assets like him midseason. Those are draft day deals. A draft pick is useless until the draft. Never know when we'll be desperate for a player. Keep em' around.

@grignon posted:

I think more and more teams have concluded that having the best (ie highest paid) player is game changing only at one or 2 positions. I'd say QB and Edge, some might argue LT. KC let Tyreek Hill go rather than pay top dollar for him; they had the best QB. Miami is better because of Hill, just as Oakland was better because of D Adams . Both are consistent play makers but neither of those teams challenged the established order.

I think Hill had significant character issues that made him expendable. If he had Davante Adams or Larry Fitzgerald's character most any team would give him the massive contract. I think everything is most dependent on the individual players and the impact they make on the team chemistry that we're generally not privy to.

Every roster has moving pieces and developing classes. If there's enough talent in the pipeline it makes deciding where to allocate cap space easier. The bad place is overpaying for less than best guys you can't afford to lose because the cupboard is bare behind them, imo.

Outside of character, Hall of Fame level players are generally worth paying for at any position. There's someone somewhere else on the roster that can go kick rocks and get replaced on the cheap.

Also, that wealth of talent can diminish in a hurry with a couple injuries. You don't trade away your depth. You worked too hard to get to this spot. Don't flush it away.

This.  I think all of this is a great problem to have until it isn't. Then you worry about it.

There are many teams that wish they had the problems that GB has with too many good WRs and TEs. Don't forget that GB also has an excellent RB who also wants the ball in Jacobs. There is only one ball, and it's going to be tougher to keep guys happier in GB as they keep improving. It's a good problem to have, as long as it doesn't cause problems. MLF and team leaders have to keep a lid on egos and bruised egos so the team goal isn't forgotten.

Although there have been games where passes were thrown to multiple receivers, I like that one week Reed may be featured. The following week it may be Doubs. Another week it may be Watson.

It should make opposing DCs jobs that much tougher deciding which WR to double cover.

@Timmy! posted:

It should make opposing DCs jobs that much tougher deciding which WR to double cover.

Until they figure out the algorithm.

@Timmy! posted:

Although there have been games where passes were thrown to multiple receivers, I like that one week Reed may be featured. The following week it may be Doubs. Another week it may be Watson.

It should make opposing DCs jobs that much tougher deciding which WR to double cover.

Sounds like a good idea, but if the guy they want to feature isn't clicking they get into a force it to Adams situation.

Hopefully MLF isn't trying to force. distribute the catches and just let's what happens, happen organically.

watch Watson block for Jacob's on his TD.  I want that guy on my team

@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:

watch Watson block for Jacob's on his TD.  I want that guy on my team

That’s not at anomaly either. He does it consistently. He’s always looking for work, too. You don’t have to decleat a guy to be a good blocker against secondary players, especially on longer plays

@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:

watch Watson block for Jacob's on his TD. I want that guy on my team

Despite his injury issues, I want Watson on my team as well. Good team guy and the best deep threat on the team.

He also made several clutch catches yesterday over the middle in tight coverage (I'd love to see him get the ball in stride, but I'll take the tough catches as well).

That said, squint hard and take a close look at the safety Watson was blocking on that Jacobs TD run -- and be glad that Darnell "I have no interest in tackling a physical RB" Savage is now playing for Jacksonville and that GB has replace him with Xavier McKinney and Evan Williams.

More Watson love

Shoutout to Christian Watson for always doing the little things! pic.twitter.com/MCcrmvplhO

— Ben Kim Paplham (@benkimpap) October 29, 2024

@RossUglum:   Updated drop percentages since the start of the 2023 season.

Christian Watson - 3.7%
Romeo Doubs - 7.3%
Jayden Reed - 8.1%
Dontayvion Wicks - 11.8%

Doubs had a 3rd down drop early in the game that would've been a first down. Wasn't a super easy catch but 1 he should make.

Doubs = #2.... This is the Reed & Watson show with Kraft sprinkled in if Love ever throws him the ball.

It really is crazy that Watson has been most reliable from a drop percentage standpoint.

Maybe the only thing I’ll say in defense of the receivers, there’s been a number of drops where Love didn’t make the catch as easy as it could be.  That said, if they’re marked with a drop, a statistician obviously considers it catchable and the WRs really need to step it up.

I just hope Wicks in particular works his butt off to improve his hands as his ability to just find a way to get open is special.

Watson is having a great year.
He's making catches this year that he didn't last season.
And has remained healthy (knock wood!).
Oh, and he's a great blocker, too!

I will say that Watson not only has earned the glory catching the ball, but his uniform is dirty at the end of every game from blocking and doing all the little things.

Watson and Reed have definitely separated themselves from the pack. I had my doubts about Watson but he’s turning into a damn good WR.

Doubs had a very quiet day Sunday. Is another hissy fit brewing? I expect the 9ers to heavily focus on Watson, double teams, 2 shell etc, which should free up Doubs and others for a larger role.

Tucker....Kraft.

It's time to flex on the Niners & Kraft should see about 15 targets on Sunday. I'm not even close to exaggerating.

This.

That.

The other.