Team has a discipline problem...that comes from LaFleur. Dallin Leavitt getting into it with the ref...that's just dumb. Oh, got ya on that…….is that the only discipline problem that you’re talking about?? Curious. and don’t mean to sound, ya know combative. 
@titmfatied posted:One of the things I'm most happy with 10 is he's almost always pass first. QBs who run significantly shorten their careers. The job ideally is to throw well and be available for 15 years. Let the surrounding pieces take all the big hits.
Knowing when to run and how to run safely is an art, and it can devastate a defense.
Interesting data on QB injuries
@Blair Kiel posted:Is that a way of saying “accurate” but using more words?
+ The friend I watched this game with compared Jayden Reed to Tyreke Hill. I like the comparison. No, Reed doesn’t have the world class track speed that Hill does, but whatever he lacks in pure speed he makes up with terrific acceleration to top speed that makes him dangerous with the ball in his hands.
- Sometimes it is better to be lucky than good. I did not think the Pack was particularly good today, but they were decent. The Chargers played an almost absurdly poor game today, it makes me question if their coach will even be employed after tomorrow. They were ridiculously sloppy, at least the Pack took advantage for a gift of a win.
@FLPACKER posted:Interesting data on QB injuries
Definitely. Style of play has a huge influence and each QB is unique in that sense.
There's dumb guys behind good lines that take lumps and smart guys behind bad lines that take lumps. Then you have to figure in how desperate the coaches are to keep their jobs when they have a mobile qb and let them loose to stay competitive if they don't have a good running game. I'd like to know about designed QB runs and the hits that diminish instead of just ending a QB season.
I think the Eagles are playing with fire with Hurts and they're not necessarily concerned with wearing him out while chasing rings.
I'm not clamoring for any designed running plays for 10. Keep the hot receiver on dial and avoid getting smoked and when you do run get down early and protect yourself. When it gets to the NFC Championship Game and beyond throw everything out the window and sell out for glory. Until you're there or on your way there protect yourself at all times. Throw away early don't take unnecessary hits. Big picture.
@FLPACKER posted:Interesting data on QB injuries
This is not a surprise. Scrambling QBs should take fewer blindside hits and if they are smart they will utilize the slide in the face of imminent danger. Guys like RG3, Cam Newton and Iistin Fields didn’t appear to understand this.
It can be an over generalization though. The guys that can adequately scramble to avoid the best 250+ lb athletes on earth are few and far between. 90% of QBs are just trying to stay alive. The guys that are excellent scramblers face a containing blitz instead of the "let's go put the fear of God into this slow ass m'erf'er" blitz. All the angles change when a guy has game changing athleticism.
I'd bet the guys that really get a beating are the ones that are too stubborn to realize they're not athletic enough for what they're trying to get away with or to desperate to try it anyway.
Or guys who have no awareness in the pocket and can't anticipate hits
Nobody has been better at running and avoiding the big hit over the years than Russ Wilson. It’s almost uncanny.
@DH13 posted:- couldn't get any of the streams to work.
Try this one https://reddit1.nflbite.com/nfl
You can change /nfl to /nba /mlb /nhl etc.
The attractive thing about designed QB runs is that you get an extra blocker.
I think teams design QB runs when they haven't drafted well enough around the QB. Passers pass, catchers catch, and runners run. Any attack that relies on the QB gaining yards during the regular season is short sighted, imo. If it's the 4th quarter of a game with division winning or playoff consequences on the line maybe take the risk, but I have no interest in buttering the bread of the weekly gameplan by counting on the QB to carry the ball. That's college "we only have this guy for a couple seasons" nonsense. I want a QB that deserves top 5 money and uses his arm to earn it.
I'm completely open to an alternate model that drafts running QBs like they're RBs, but you don't develop them or pay them for the long haul. You go boxing promoter on using them up and losing them to promote the next one.
I have no interest in using Love like that. He has every measurable to be a stud. I want him and the team to focus on his footwork and accuracy until it isn't an issue and then writing him a big fat check with all the pomp and circumstance that comes with it because he's the reason all the talent is getting maximized.
Let's hope this is nothing on a short week. Wicks has shown the ability to make big plays.
Wicks was evaluated late in the contest with a head injury.
Heath is ready to roll. It's becoming clear 11 is the guy we game plan around and our opponents are going to do the same. MLF at least has a framework to plan around. It's not force feeding 9 and figuring out if he's the guy, it's using the traits of 9 and 87 and everyone else to compliment what 11 does best. 11's earned the #1 focus as the best weapon, he gets the premier opportunities and everything revolves around complimenting his abilities.
If this draft class keeps improving like it has these last couple weeks, it could be one of the best ones we've ever had.
@titmfatied posted:Heath is ready to roll. It's becoming clear 11 is the guy we game plan around and our opponents are going to do the same. MLF at least has a framework to plan around. It's not force feeding 9 and figuring out if he's the guy, it's using the traits of 9 and 87 and everyone else to compliment what 11 does best. 11's earned the #1 focus as the best weapon, he gets the premier opportunities and everything revolves around complimenting his abilities.
Kraft showed that he can be part of the offense too. With 7 more games of experience this season the Packers could really be ready to roll on offense in 2024.
The Packers won't be under the cap constraints next season and might be able to find a couple serviceable OL and a RB that can step in right away. I'm really disappointed that Wilson got hurt. It looks like he can play but he has to show it on the field.
"The Chargers dropped six passes, three of them in the red zone. Both of those totals were the most by the team since ESPN began tracking drops in 2006."
Chargers went all Yancey Thigpen this afternoon. I'll take it, you get what you give 🎁
And the love you take is equal to the love you make.
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PACK starting to like more like an NFL team.
Reed and Wicks coming on!
Valentine, and Balentine were competitive and not abused /exposed.
Starting to see Love get the ball out a bit faster, if he can improve his deep ball accuracy we may have our QB.
LeRoy Butler predicting the score, love that guy!
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MLF 3rd and 1/ 4th and 1 calls in 1st half. Ug
MLF playing not to lose at end. Yes it worked out but 😡 I thought we would get Barry’d.
Penalties, tackling, injuries and kicking issues persist.
With all Chargers’ miscues the win felt a bit hollow but I’ll take it. Young team learning how to win.
PS Bummer about Bosa, that did not look good.
Biggest negative for me was easily MLF not giving his young team the chance to win it. As far as all the drops go that's just football.
+ Love was much more decisive and accurate. His miss to Musgrave and taking a sack in the First half were the only two hiccups all day!
+ Kraft showed more athleticism than I thought he had!
+ O-line held up well in pass pro (other than both left tackles)
+ Reed getting more opportunities
+ Quay Walker seemed more aggressive in filling run gaps
+ For playing with all backups, pass defense wasn't horrible. They really seemed to play better in man than in zone.
- Run blocking was poor. Even vs. light boxes we struggled.
- Missed extra point could have cost us the game
- MLF calling 3 straight runs to make Chargers use time outs ..... when asked in his presser he said "that was on me" ??? That is a philosophical decision that should have been made well before the game. "If we get in this situation, what is our approach". You don't make that decision at the moment and then regret it afterwards.
Thing is, those Charger drops bailed out Barry. Their success at DBs playing man instead of zone just proves his idiocy just like the second Viking game last year. He’s a pinhead.
@FLPACKER posted:- MLF calling 3 straight runs to make Chargers use time outs ..... when asked in his presser he said "that was on me" ??? That is a philosophical decision that should have been made well before the game. "If we get in this situation, what is our approach". You don't make that decision at the moment and then regret it afterwards.
I mentioned this in the game chat. I had hoped that he would have put some of the game in Love's hands there on a designed rollout or bootleg. However, there are logical counterarguments to that as others in that chat mentioned.
But you are right, you would have hoped his answer would have been "I had confidence in our defense, they had played well most of the game, and we liked our chances of making them drive 60 yards for a FG to tie with no timeouts." I wouldn't have agreed with it, but it is defensible and it frames it as a positive for the defensive players.
Or even "for us to be a consistently winning team, we need to be able to run the ball to close games out. Especially in November and December in Lambeau. We gained 4 yards on first which kept us on schedule and I wanted to show we could win on the ground so I called another running play, but then we didn't block well on 2nd down so got behind schedule. Given that it was 3rd and long, I then decided that the running play was the way to go, especially with the way our defense played."
He needed to say something like this to show he had thought through things rather than come across like he was just winging it.
The Chargers left a lot of points on the field. Allen dropped 2 TD passes that cost the Chargers 8 points, a fumble at the goalline and a dropped 70 yard TD pass with 30 seconds to go was 14 more. I don't understand how the CB gets singled up on that pass in that situation.
+ Reed Wicks and Dobbs are emerging as real weapons.
- our OL is good at neither pass or run blocking. I have to think our position coaches are part of the problem.
The 3rd down play should have been a RO with Love keeping the ball. The Packers likely would have gotten a 1st down but if they didn't they still drain the Chargers final time out. No way you pass the ball in that situation and run the risk of the Chargers having a time out in a 3 point game. The missed XP changes the strategy. In a 4 point game a pass makes sense.
You certainly don't call a pass play that is even moderately risky, but plenty of conservative pass plays (with a run option) that would have been preferable (and MLF appeared to acknowledge as much after the game).
MLF plays scared and this isn't the first example either. I understand he's got a young QB and that QB was playing very well. Perhaps he just didn't want to risk Love throwing a pick on a 3rd and 6 but at the same time Love is also playing very well and was making a lot of very good throws. Sometimes you just got to trust your young players. Thankfully, it didn't cost them the game.
I wonder how much of the offense's and Love's success yesterday had to do with the fact that LAC's D is schemed very similar to GB's, which he sees every day in practice. Not just that both D's scheme sucks, but more so his familiarity with it.
@DH13 posted:I wonder how much of the offense's and Love's success yesterday had to do with the fact that LAC's D is schemed very similar to GB's, which he sees every day in practice. Not just that both D's scheme sucks, but more so his familiarity with it.
Hadn't thought of that. Good point.
It would be a good sign as it would suggest that as Love gains more experience facing other defensive schemes he'll improve his decision making and recognition.
@vitaflo posted:If this draft class keeps improving like it has these last couple weeks, it could be one of the best ones we've ever had.
did you not get the memo? Gutey sucks as a GM.
@DH13 posted:I wonder how much of the offense's and Love's success yesterday had to do with the fact that LAC's D is schemed very similar to GB's, which he sees every day in practice. Not just that both D's scheme sucks, but more so his familiarity with it.
Welp lol, this looks familiar, doesn't it? 
Watching Chargers fans go through the same thing Packers fans do every week is cathartic https://t.co/hdYGKdCwuh
— Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) November 20, 2023
It also just gets you more disgusted with Barry.
The main concern I have about the game yesterday and Love is the Chargers are awful on pass defense. It’s probably a mix or scheme and personnel but you would hope even Jordan Love could exploit it.
@packerboi posted:MLF plays scared and this isn't the first example either. I understand he's got a young QB and that QB was playing very well. Perhaps he just didn't want to risk Love throwing a pick on a 3rd and 6 but at the same time Love is also playing very well and was making a lot of very good throws. Sometimes you just got to trust your young players. Thankfully, it didn't cost them the game.
Good points. Watching how other teams' offense play 3rd and 1, for example, shows how stupid MLF can be. It's not a problem for most teams, but for us, we have to bite our nails every time because we don't pick up the 1st down nearly as often as we should. It's one stinking yard. Our OL is pretty shitty though.
My impression after watching the recorded game, is that we're about where we thought we'd be at the beginning of the season. This doesn't change my mind about Murphy, Gute, MLF or the rest of the coaching staff.
To put things in perspective, we beat another shitty team with a lousy defense (minus Joey Bosa which also helped). But we won, and that felt great. Let draft position work itself out - I'd rather win. I'm not sure why we played more man yesterday, but duh - it worked so much better. I hope it wasn't just a flash of inspiration for Barry and we're back to playing 10 yards off receivers next week. The run defense didn't have to work that hard because the Chargers don't really run the ball, but it was disappointing to see the lack of pressure given the Chargers were playing without their starting center.
On offense, there were good performances by Wicks, Reed and Doubs which others have mentioned. Although, look at the defense the Chargers play. Regardless, at least they were winning battles they should be winning. Love looked more decisive, but receivers were open all over the place. Nevertheless, he performed well with what he was given minus missing what would have been a touchdown.
I have no illusions about this team being good enough to make the playoffs, but it's always nice to get a W.
I mentioned in the game chat that Larry said Staley runs the same D as Barry
It was talked about all last week over social media.
As far as the pass D looking better playing man and hoping to see more of it the rest of the season? I guess we all forgot what happened last year and the year before that. Barry will revert back to his safe place.
Man, I hope not DH13. I don't wish for someone to be so bad at something they get canned. I'd rather see someone grow, learn and change for the better. I guess we'll see next week. Maybe now that he sees how much his defensive strategy sucks by changing his and watching the Charger's D, he'll stick to it. But like you, I'm not hopeful.
