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Originally Posted by Grave Digger:
I think the Falcons just showed up and the Packers D couldnt match their effort. Not a scheme problem just a lot of great individual efforts. The Falcons OL owned out DL and apparently Shields couldn't get interested enough to do his job. Credit to Julio Jones also. Don't overthink it.

 

While there was definitely execution failures some of the continued highwayman packages that were called all because Jones can supposedly cover is on Capers.  I don't get the zone packages against a player like Jones.

 

This team has had to overcome the failure of Dom Caper's early on in the season and I can't decide if it was truly all of Jones talent or laying out the red carpet for the guy in the second half.  

 

There is essentially 3 wasted spots on this defense that the coaching has to overcome and seemingly was on the way to doing it.  Putting the floppers back on the field is a head scratcher.  

 

I have seen this team with the enough horses on defense to do the job all the way to the Superbowl even with the roster holes.  Is this part of the last chance rehab project for Jones and Hawk?  That's the decision making I don't get.

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Originally Posted by BrainDed:

       
Originally Posted by Grave Digger:
I think the Falcons just showed up and the Packers D couldnt match their effort. Not a scheme problem just a lot of great individual efforts. The Falcons OL owned out DL and apparently Shields couldn't get interested enough to do his job. Credit to Julio Jones also. Don't overthink it.

 

Couldn't disagree more.  At some point you need to adjust and Capers never did.


       


Sure lets just adjust to a scheme where my DL wins battles and we sack the QB. Then let's adjust to a scheme where the CB doesn't fall down and actually covers the receiver. Oh let's throw in an adjustment to where my CBs and Safetys don't drop INTs. It's so easy, just adjust. Capers probably wasn't mashing the X button hard enough on the controller he uses to control the players. Or maybe he should use the "Ask Madden" feature more.
Originally Posted by Henry:
Originally Posted by Grave Digger:
I think the Falcons just showed up and the Packers D couldnt match their effort. Not a scheme problem just a lot of great individual efforts. The Falcons OL owned out DL and apparently Shields couldn't get interested enough to do his job. Credit to Julio Jones also. Don't overthink it.

 

While there was definitely execution failures some of the continued highwayman packages that were called all because Jones can supposedly cover is on Capers.  I don't get the zone packages against a player like Jones.

 

This team has had to overcome the failure of Dom Caper's early on in the season and I can't decide if it was truly all of Jones talent or laying out the red carpet for the guy in the second half.  

 

There is essentially 3 wasted spots on this defense that the coaching has to overcome and seemingly was on the way to doing it.  Putting the floppers back on the field is a head scratcher.  

 

I have seen this team with the enough horses on defense to do the job all the way to the Superbowl even with the roster holes.  Is this part of the last chance rehab project for Jones and Hawk?  That's the decision making I don't get.

Good points. I'd like to see the snap counts for the LBs in the first and second half. A scheme that ends with Brad Jones covering Julio Jones is questionable. 

Originally Posted by MichiganPacker:

Bree's and Ryan torch us. 

 

Brady struggles Against us. 

 

this makes no sense. 

 

 

 

 

Look at the defensive packages.  I swear to god the only thing I can figure out is they think they can get away with sub players  against predictable schemes like the Falcons to try and shape them for some kind of role in the playoffs.  

 

Absurd?  Yeah, I think so too but WTF.

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Originally Posted by Grave Digger:
Originally Posted by BrainDed:

       
Originally Posted by Grave Digger:
I think the Falcons just showed up and the Packers D couldnt match their effort. Not a scheme problem just a lot of great individual efforts. The Falcons OL owned out DL and apparently Shields couldn't get interested enough to do his job. Credit to Julio Jones also. Don't overthink it.

 

Couldn't disagree more.  At some point you need to adjust and Capers never did.


       


Sure lets just adjust to a scheme where my DL wins battles and we sack the QB. Then let's adjust to a scheme where the CB doesn't fall down and actually covers the receiver. Oh let's throw in an adjustment to where my CBs and Safetys don't drop INTs. It's so easy, just adjust. Capers probably wasn't mashing the X button hard enough on the controller he uses to control the players. Or maybe he should use the "Ask Madden" feature more.

Jones kept running free in the middle of the zone. Not winning one on one pash rush battles us on the players. Having a guy that wide open consistently in the middle of the zone is scheme. 

I've always maintained that yards is easily the most useless stat, points is really all that matters. 37 points is unacceptable, period. It was a poor defensive effort, but it's not a sign of things to come or the D showing their true colors. It's a bad game, they happen. They had a great game last week holding Tom Brady to 21 points...which game is more indicative of where this team is at? Who knows. Championship caliber one week, flat the next. Good enough to get the win though.
Originally Posted by Henry:
Originally Posted by MichiganPacker:

Bree's and Ryan torch us. 

 

Brady struggles Against us. 

 

this makes no sense. 

 

 

 

 

Look at the defensive packages.  I swear to god the only thing I can figure out is they think they can get away with sub players to try and shape them for some kind of role in the playoffs.  

 

Absurd?  Yeah, I think so too but WTF.

I think you may be right. Capers wanted to see how Jones and Hawk looked in the second half In a game they thought they had in hand. 

 

House was the DB who actually matched up against Julio Jones. Shields and Tramon were both abused. 

No accountability to the players for Jones running free? Communication errors. I saw two guys cover a useless TE in the flat on one of Jones big plays, no scheme calls for that. That's communication. Putting Brad Jones on the field, much less covering Julio Jones in any capacity is poor scheme, Dix going right instead of left is on Dix.
Originally Posted by Grave Digger:
Originally Posted by BrainDed:

       
Originally Posted by Grave Digger:
I think the Falcons just showed up and the Packers D couldnt match their effort. Not a scheme problem just a lot of great individual efforts. The Falcons OL owned out DL and apparently Shields couldn't get interested enough to do his job. Credit to Julio Jones also. Don't overthink it.

 

Couldn't disagree more.  At some point you need to adjust and Capers never did.


       


Sure lets just adjust to a scheme where my DL wins battles and we sack the QB. Then let's adjust to a scheme where the CB doesn't fall down and actually covers the receiver. Oh let's throw in an adjustment to where my CBs and Safetys don't drop INTs. It's so easy, just adjust. Capers probably wasn't mashing the X button hard enough on the controller he uses to control the players. Or maybe he should use the "Ask Madden" feature more.

 

Can we get that?

 

Point being when you see the CBs and Safeties are having a hard passing off coverage on a guy like Jones who doesn't need that much room in the first place with "Coverage" Jones on the field it's curious.  I do think putting a bigger, more physical House on Jones was a good move but then still had problems with handing off coverage.

 

You're already getting beat by Jones, man him up with two and at least make the rest of the team beat you as well.

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Originally Posted by Grave Digger:
I've always maintained that yards is easily the most useless stat, points is really all that matters. 37 points is unacceptable, period. It was a poor defensive effort, but it's not a sign of things to come or the D showing their true colors. It's a bad game, they happen. They had a great game last week holding Tom Brady to 21 points...which game is more indicative of where this team is at? Who knows. Championship caliber one week, flat the next. Good enough to get the win though.

 

 

Agreed.  And I don't want to take anything away for Jones.  He whipped their asses but again I just didn't understand what they were trying to run in the second half.  The thing that gave me the yips is see the freeway open for business again in the 4th quarter.  Brad Jones must of thought the ref was Marshawn Lynch.

Originally Posted by Grave Digger:
I've always maintained that yards is easily the most useless stat, points is really all that matters. 37 points is unacceptable, period. It was a poor defensive effort, but it's not a sign of things to come or the D showing their true colors. It's a bad game, they happen. They had a great game last week holding Tom Brady to 21 points...which game is more indicative of where this team is at? Who knows. Championship caliber one week, flat the next. Good enough to get the win though.

Really?  It's December.  We know what this D is.  The D is not reliable, especially against good quarterbacks.  And that really sucks, because they will be need to be relied upon in the playoffs.

Originally Posted by Hungry5:
 I do think putting a bigger, more physical House on Jones was a good move but then still had problems with handing off coverage.

 

 

That's a player change, not a scheme change.

 

It's. The. Players.

 

And I question this with sincerity, why aren't you cover up Jones with 2 man coverage at this point? Yes, they have Roddy White and other offensive weapons, force them to use them.  So it's players and how they are being used.

Originally Posted by trump:
Good call Henry, its obvious.
Why does Capers keep fukkin around, saving reps in a blowout?
That's a good god damn way to get your stars on offense hurt.
I dislike this immensely.

 

But if you think about it, the coaching does have to temper their approach as they go into the post season  You can keep running full throttle with your OLBs covering all LB positions but I imagine you start becoming more predictable  simply due to lack of bodies.  I could understand trying to squeeze out anything you can of the turd brigade but damn it's painful to watch.  

 

Yet, it's not like we all didn't know that the success of this defense has always been incumbent on offensive savvy.

 
Originally Posted by BrainDed:
 I do think putting a bigger, more physical House on Jones was a good move but then still had problems with handing off coverage.

 

 

Originally Posted by Hungry5:

That's a player change, not a scheme change.

 

It's. The. Players.

 

Then its your avatar.

 

You must be brain dead. Those same players have been dominating for about the past 5 games. 1 half, they had a brain fart, it happens.

 

 

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